Spiral Knights - I do not like that the new shield is an immensely rare promotional item.

I do not like that the new shield is an immensely rare promotional item.

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Sat, 03/15/2014 - 21:43

Fehzor

I am ok with the devs making rare accessories that I'll never get to use without spending 200+ dollars. I'm too cheap and good for the people that can afford it.

I am ok with the devs making rare re-skins of existing gear, e.g. shields, swords that I'll never get to use without spending 200+ dollars. They're just reskins and I don't really need them for anything because I can get the existing one.

I am ok with the devs making rare trinkets that I can't get because of the extraordinary time commitment needed. Trinkets aren't that big of a deal, and hardly effect me. Plus, I'll probably find the time and make them eventually when I do have time around x-mas. It will be fun.

But I am NOT ok with the devs putting new gear with new stats that we haven't seen before in boxes with a 1% chance. This just sucks.

The bottom line is that I-- and anyone else wanting to play the game-- shouldn't have to spend 200 dollars for less than a 20% chance at getting a single shield. It is not fun or cool and it is not what I would like to see happen in Spiral Knights.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 21:48

Vtmoon

I understood the paying part,

I understood the paying part, but what exactly do you win? Like what situation in the game right now that having this rare shield gives you an upperhand vs any of the other shields already in the game?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:09

Fehzor

Collecting new gear and using it is kind of a huge part of Spiral Knights. It isn't so much that its useful, but that its a unique item with cool stats- there are no other pure shadow + piercing shields out there. And this shield takes away from the gear collecting aspect massively.

They shouldn't make a pay wall like that... because this isn't a low paywall, this is a 99.9% of players won't ever see this item in use paywall. If we the Spiral Knights open 1000 boxes, there will be about 10 of these shields in existence.

I edited out "pay to win" in the OP anyway. Its not really pay to win, it just does a massive disservice to the game.

One of the things I like about Spiral Knights is that all of the gear is within reach... like, there aren't any items aside from costumes etc. being dangled in front of our faces like carrots. Its all attainable and free and that's pretty awesome. But this shield is anything but free, and I'm not sure that I like that.

EDIT: Sorry, looks like I read the page detailing how the drop works incorrectly. Its a .0025 chance per box; as there are 4 items that you can get for the 1%.

200 USD = 0.048830124746833 chance.

In order to guarantee at least one 95% of the time, you'd need to open 1230 boxes. Thats 12,300 dollars. This is just silly.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:29

Untrustful

Makes sense, don't want too

Makes sense, don't want too many shields in the market.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:39

Skepticraven

What if...

OOO is planning a reskin of this shield [new T3 boss token reward anyone]?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 23:01

Fehzor

@Skepticraven

Then it would be perfectly fine by me.. the real question is- "What if they aren't?"

Would you like for this to be how all of the cool new items are?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 04:25

Arcknightdelta

@ Fehzor

Are you upset about the fact the Shield has a low chance rate from boxes, it won't affect you anyway as you aren't buying boxes with real money correct?

Or are you upset you can't get the shield with Energy in game? As far as I know people have bought the shield for 25-45kce?

What is the real reason? As far as I am concerned people are using the low percentage drop rate as an excuse when they themselves are not paying for boxes. They are clearly upset that those who have the shield are pay 2 play players only, and the shield (being unique) should be easily obtainable for all. Well I haven't played a single MMO game where there weren't certain items that were pay 2 play. Looks to me OOO might be heading down that route. But once there are a few pay 2 play shields floating around in game, free 2 play players can grind it out in game to get the necessary ce to buy one off another player.

Another point to make is OCH. How many people raged over the hammer being pay 2 play? Loads! Well I had the hammer like in the fist day of OCH being released and I am still Free 2 play. But wait OOO has now made OCH purchasable by ce in game now right?

Now I haven't checked the patch notes for other promos but has there never been a time where the "most" sought after thing was a 1% chancer?

I believe the reason why there aren't so many shields on the market is because the people who have spent real money to buy boxes are too afraid to open them, as they get a better profit by selling the box for ce. Still this doesn't affect you, as you haven't paid for it, am I correct or not?

Lets discuss :)

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 06:26

Exerpa

The Slippery Slope gotta start somewhere

It's the principle of the thing. Today it's an allegedly useless (Heart of Ice/Shadow Snarby/Concrete Jungle/Compounds/Who knows what in the future) shield, tomorrow it could be anything - An Elemental Blitz, A Shadow Hammer, Curse haze bomb, 5* Swiftstrike, Black Kat Armor... The point being it is a legitimately new piece of gear that in turns modifies the game play, something that Bitter Ends and Dark Fangs did not do because there is an equal or better equivalent available to anyone who wants it.

The Hammer and Blender Bomb also had a similar issue in a more detrimental to game play effect; while accessibility was commented on by the administration for a while there it seemed like it might never be resolved. But it finally was, so this tells us the option to overcome accessibility problems has been exercised before.

As for the specifics of the item in question, if you notice the lack of status resists on the shield then you could compare it to Dragon Scale but weaker. This offers a way out, if there was an additional new shield in the future with identical Shadow+Pierce defense that ALSO included status resists then that shield would render the Celestial Shield obsolete - but only in game play terms. Grey Owlite does not make the Bitter End and the Dark Fang 'worthless', far from it.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 06:50

Arcknightdelta

Ok in one way then you can say every shield has a place in game then somewhere. No doubt the celestial shield would be the most useful shield in game in such levels where piercing and shadow defence is a must. My point is how many times are you going to do those levels? If the majority answers not so much or not at all, then paying ridiculous amounts for it, just for the sake of having it is stupid.

Bottom line. Celestial shield like the Darkfang is a traders dream if they had one. It's usefulness in terms of gameplay is poor, and thus it's nothing to lose sleep over.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 07:30

Dermog

@OP

I absolutely agree, and I'm sad because I couldn't play enough to get any of the glyphs for an ID card. So I couldn't get any of the new Tortodrone shields. And then there's the new prize boxes, they look cool, but I can't buy them right now.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 07:36

#10

Gwenyvier

Your math is still wrong. 46%

Your math is still wrong.

46% of single UV
24% of double UV
10% of triple UV
19% for 7 different costume/accessory items (2.74% each)
1% for 4 different rarer items (.25% each, or 1:400)

Shadow and Piercing only really show up together in a few places... HoI (with freeze tossed in), Shadow Snarby (with poison tossed in), compounds, and technically useful for Unknown Passage. Fiend/Undead just don't get paired with Slime/Beasts much in general.

~Gwen

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 07:40

#11

Melonfish

Re Fiend/Undead just don't get paired with Slime/Beasts much.

Concrete Jungle.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 08:00

#12

Vtmoon

@ Melonfish Gwen said "much"

@ Melonfish

Gwen said "much" as in as much, she didn't say "never".

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 08:17

#13

Arcknightdelta

@ Dermog

OOO will bring the event back. 100%.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 08:17

#14

Red-Galaxy

shields rare?

yesterday i saw like 24 people equiped with the shield. now the aura, those are rare. only seen legobuild with the aura on his armor

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 08:23

#15

Melonfish

I never pointed out any "never".

Those levels just never get much attention or recalling.

In any case, the shield's presence in this manner of promotion is clearly a flaw in marketing design, let alone the promotion itself. The question is wheter OOO is going to change that or not.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:17

#16

Arcknightdelta

@ Melonfish

How is it a flaw in marketing design? OOO have a target market and they are producing stuff for them. Care to explain where the flaw is? It's just as hard for the paying players getting the shield as it is anyone else. BIG difference is they are the ones putting the things in the market, giving anyone else a chance, by paying with their own money. If there are shields in the community, suggests to me people are buying those boxes willy nilly unless you are saying 24 people got lucky and popped a shield in a few box opening.....?

Edit: if this form of marketing is flawed then OOO would have changed it long ago. Clearly it makes them money so why change?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:49

#17

Addy

Sadly it's not the first and

Sadly it's not the first and likely won't be the last. I find it to be a pretty big bummer that the stat combinations are unique, hopefully in a future update there will be new shields with these combinations or something because I really want some version of the Bitter End. http://wiki.spiralknights.com/The_Bitter_End

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:57

#18

Fehzor

Exerpa gets it.

I don't care about not having this shield, I care about this becoming the new way gear is released. About the next update coming with something incredibly useful that costs A LOT of crowns or money or whatever you're paying with for only a chance of getting it.. because regardless of how you do the math, there aren't going to be very many of these shields in game at all... It isn't as big of a deal now due to how worthless shields without status defense are, but if they continue to put these things in like this in, I just can't see it going well.

@Gwen

No, I got it right the second time. .0025 = .25%

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:06

#19

Arcknightdelta

@ Fehzor

I completely get where you are coming from. But as I said before what can we do? As long as people pay for the boxes regardless of chances and OOO make money from it, OOO will carry on doing it. What you really should be doing then is telling people to stop buying these boxes and stop filling OOO bank. Maybe then OOO will come up with another money making idea that doesn't make it unfair on those who want new stuff such as this new shield. But then why should a company carry on promoting something that doesn't make them enough money to pay their bills? This is all complicated stuff.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:08

#20

Malkalack

*cough* Arsenal *cough*

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:17

#21

Fehzor

I'm not going to picket OOO. I'm going to write about why I don't like it on a forum and see if people feel the same way.

Then, if OOO has learned anything over the past 3 years, maybe just maybe they will say "Yeah, that was kind of a bad idea." and then go with SkepticRaven's alternate path- just make a new shield to outclass the current, and forget about it.

Because I don't see people taking too well to this when OOO releases an item that isn't terrible over the prize boxes for 1%.

@Malkalak

No. I will not move this thread to the arsenal. Either add something to the thread or don't read it. It isn't about gear or stats, its about prize boxes and that sort of thing and it does not belong in arsenal. Nor should you even be posting that... And I quote-

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If you have a problem with me, report it to the GMs. Don't just post absentmindedly about how its wrong to derail the thread.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:54

#22

Arcknightdelta

@ Fehzor

Hmm....well maybe OOO will. They made it so everyone can get OCH stuff easier than before. Maybe after they make money out of those willing to pay they make the shield more available to everyone else. Supply depot flash sales maybe? But I'd rather pay for a shield that looks equally as epic but has better stats, at least then I can show it off and "use" it regularly.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:41

#23

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Probly flash sale...

Remember Green Leafy Aura? And the 4th variant we got in half a month? Someone found how to change colour in Spiral Spy and now they can even put images into their colour.... WAAAAHHHHWWWWWW

I love how you can see OOO employee progression with their softwares as promotions go by... Or am I the only one noticing it? My friend is holding a theory that the new content were made by internship instead of actual OOO employee... Radiant fix, torto shield, something odd is happening... then they take out torto event before it's over... so you know OOO employee are back at work!

Edit: All things aside, I agree with Fehzor. Just because it has stats no other shield has it is a valuable one. If a "normal" shield were to happen with those stats and the celestial would be promotional then it would be fine, just like you did with Cleavers

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:01

#24

Fehzor

The flash sale would be great, but even then its still a unique item and I would prefer it be treated like an actual item, rather than a reskin-- which it is not. I'd really rather just have all of the promotional junk we're fed be kept apart from the functional aspects of the game. Which was probably why I wrote "pay to win" in the OP before changing it... because this shield kind of pokes a little hole in the wall between paying to win completely and pretending like we're not trapped in a pay to win game.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:15

#25

Arcknightdelta

@ Shamanalah

Just because it has unique stats doesn't make it useful. OOO could release a super rare shield with shadow and elemental next. That would be unique and useful, then I could justify everything you guys are saying.

So I don't see how you can agree with Fehzor on this one. Celestial shield is nothing to get excited over. Maybe I'm just a very practical minded person who doesn't really care about 'materialistic' things....then again I do have an awesome costume XD.

Honestly I think people just want any old excuse to hate on OOO. Not hating on you guys. I'm just generally fed up with all the moaning.

Edit: Fehzor lets express our anger when OOO actually release items that are impossible for us to get which are actually useful in the majority of content we currently play in. This is all just getting silly now.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:33

#26

Fehzor

As I said before-

"Exerpa gets it.

I don't mean to moan about everything, but I do mean to address things that I see as issues on a forum... which is kind of where you're supposed to address these things.

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Edit-

I'd rather OOO not gauge our acceptance over this shield and open up towards this becoming the new way to release content to begin with. Yes, that might very well be what happens, but I believe it can be avoided.

Its downright stupid to say that because eventually a problem will solve itself, that problem isn't a problem to begin with-- especially when there are consequences that can very easily be avoided. OOO has a good chance to stop it at this one shield, release a better version of it, and go on with life.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:34

#27

Arcknightdelta

@ Fehzor

Hmm....fair enough. But my point is you expressing a point here is like a mouse trying to make a sound amongst a crown of noisy people. I hope like you do that OOO don't go down this road. I can only then justify what you say, if they make the Gunner update into something similar to the Equinox update.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:36

#28

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

I'm just generally fed up with all the moaning.

I don't blame you... if people think I like criticizing OOO then you are wrong. OOO could do so much better and we all know it. IDK if it was Nick that was doing 60% of the work but OOO P2P promotions aren't stable.

F2P promotions are generally loved... Apocrea, Torto, Hallow, Winter... we love those! Having "good odds" with Polar, Storm, Regalia redux neon are pretty nice...

I generally hated UV related boxes because of the odds they put for the UV tickets... Solstice, Nemesis had some pretty low % of getting anything decent...

it's just not consistant across the promotions IMO, that's my major complain... And the shield is bullock, waste of time and people money that collect stuff and I can relate to them... maybe that's just it?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:39

#29

Fehzor

I believe that OOO very much knows that we're going to be thinking about this, and is very much interested in exactly what we all have to say- for better or for worse. If you were the one responsible for what the promotions are and do, wouldn't you be interested in how they came across?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:45

#30

Arcknightdelta

@ Fehzor

Of course I would. But if I saw a profit in it I would carry on doing it. From a business point of view it is good. But ethically if it upsets people then I would most likely come up with another way to boost my profits. Lets see how OOO 'give' us the Gunner update. I would much rather they do people over with this promo or any other one, than that.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:54

#31

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

@ Arck

From a business point of view it is good I beg to differ... but that's another topic... we don't have any proof of OOO revenu with each promotions... if we had then we could compare... and I would LOOVEE to see it ^ ^ being right or wrong wouldn't really matter to me if it happens XD

Lets see how OOO 'give' us the Gunner update

Yup... popcorn anyone?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 18:06

#32

Arcknightdelta

@ Shamanalah

I think you misread what I said mate. I said if I saw a profit in it I would carry on doing it. But yeah lets not go into that topic lol.

Mind sharing some of that popcorn XD

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 21:18

#33

Amnimonus

Would have been better

Three rings should have held off on this event a little bit an maybe with the extra tiem they could have added so more reskins of existing accessories such as moon and sun scarfs heck they could have mad sun and moon eyes which would have been nice.

They could have made a bunch of sun and moon reskins in which you had an 80% chance of getting or heck they could of had 30% chance of tickets and 50% chance of common a accessory. This would have been more welcoming than 80% chance of uv ticket in which you largest chance is a one uv. Sure that one UV would most likey be worth more than a common trinket after increase of surplus but at least it feel newer.

Heck here a list of more rare reskins they have added
-moon/sun halo
-moon/sun bomb bandolier
-moon/sun nitro reskin
-eclipse reskin of the dark retribution
-sun/moon glasses (not actual sun glass just sun and moon lenses)

They could have made more for this if they waited (maybe to the gunner update) and this could have gone a lot better.

But hey maybe developer need extra funding I don't know but developer do, hopefully thing will get better.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 21:24

#34

Ardent-Light

Events with useless crap=People wasting money=Money for OOO= Game that is still alive

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:41

#35

Seiran

@Fehzor: I don't care about

@Fehzor:
I don't care about not having this shield, I care about this becoming the new way gear is released. About the next update coming with something incredibly useful that costs A LOT of crowns or money or whatever you're paying with for only a chance of getting it.. because regardless of how you do the math, there aren't going to be very many of these shields in game at all...

I get it, you're worried the updates will be like this, but until you see it happen for something aside from rare 'promo' items (face it, promos are their way to fish for cash aside from crafting paywalls now), it's a bit of a slippery slope to assume more than that at this point. While I myself am not as familiar with promo items (F2P player), I can see future promos adopting this style (because they've done it before), but as far as content updates, I strongly doubt it.

Stepping back from the gamer shell again, it looks to me that they released some (successfully) amazing-looking and unique "premium" stuff, but to give it high value, attached it to cash purchases for a small chance, kind of like setting up a lottery system. It's great for the people who win and for the company selling the tickets.

@Arcknightdelta:
Of course I would. But if I saw a profit in it I would carry on doing it. From a business point of view it is good. But ethically if it upsets people then I would most likely come up with another way to boost my profits.

...you know, not all premium content they've made have been targeted towards all the fish in the sea. I remember people complaining about the high price of the heat amplifiers, and Nick (I believe?) straight up responded saying that it just wasn't intended for most people, that it was for people who were too busy [...making money in their real jobs] to play and needed something to catch up with their friends.
In the same way, if this promo upsets people here, it's probably because they're not the target market*.

¦3

*if you don't get it, look it up in terms of social games.

@Amnimonus:
An Equinox only happens twice a year ;/
This was simply another "timed" event to correspond with something on the calendar.

@Shamanalah:
I don't blame you... if people think I like criticizing OOO then you are wrong.
I think of you as a conspiracy theorist.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 23:54

#36

Amnimonus

@Seiran

If it happens twice a year they should have waited for the later one. Or they could have scratched it entirely and made this something for the 3rd year anniversary for spiral knight as a memento of the Spiral order long trip through the star now being a distant memory.

In general I find at odd that developer went with the Equinox concept at all but as of late I have no idea what a developers have on their minds any more.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 23:55

#37

Fangel

Meh

I really want those costumes, but it really isn't worth my time or money. Usually when promos show up I'll throw 20 dollars at the game as a sort of thank you, plus I get a little gamble which is always fun.

However, creating unique costumes/items and then giving them a hilariously low chance at getting them is just annoying. Had the UV tickets been the 20% thing, I wouldn't have complained, even if I still got 2 UV tickets from both my boxes. A 15%-10%-5% for the 1-2-3 unique variants would have given us a 70% chance at the things we all were buying energy for, and if we got the tickets, then cool - we get a game changer. Heck, we introduced two full unique costumes, a unique shield, a unique aura, and 2 unique wings. The dangerous times promo gave us nice things, and it had only one more costume set (top and bottom), and one less accessory.

Honestly, I would set percentages something like this:

3% chance for one of the following:
Solar Plasma Wings
Cosmic Plasma Wings
Orbit Aura
4% chance for the following:
Celestial Shield
30% chance for one of the following:
Celestial Nav Helm
Celestial Nav Suit
Galactic Guardian Helm
Galactic Guardian Vest
20% chance for one of the following:
Sun Crest
Moon Crest
7% chance for 3 Variant Ticket
11% chance for 2 Variant Ticket
25% chance for 1 Variant Ticket

These may be a bit too large in terms of balance, but it's giving a clear preference towards the costumes (advertised for the promo) while keeping the UV tickets active, and also making sure the most sought after items (accessories and the shield) the least frequent to appear, but not a horrifically low chance, so it's a joy when you get one.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 03:15

#38

Arilys

@Addy

"[...] because I really want some version of the Bitter End."

Meet the Grey Owlite Shield.

@Arcknightdelta

I'm not gonna put myself between you and Fehzor, but I do want to point something out.

"Another point to make is OCH. How many people raged over the hammer being pay 2 play? Loads! Well I had the hammer like in the fist day of OCH being released and I am still Free 2 play. But wait OOO has now made OCH purchasable by ce in game now right?"

OCH shouldn't be compared to this. Yes, you bought OCH with real cash (as did I and many others), and we got the Hammer and Retribution bomb way before OOO made the mission possible to buy through CE. The problem is that the Hammer and bomb were GUARANTEED with your purchase; you just needed to clear the mission and bam, enjoy your new shiny weapons. With this promo you spend 10$ on a box where you're more likely to get a UV ticket that you'll be lucky to sell for 20k crowns (or whatever price they currently go for), or you actually use it and get a useless UV for 10$ instead of 20k crowns. Totally doesn't feel like ripoff, amirite?

Note: I'm not against promos, it's what makes OOO float without making the game have a subscritpion. I'm just against promos that advertise something that looks pretty cool or, in this case, has something unique that actually has some use (the shield), but the chances to get the advertised things are laughably low. I was actually considering getting one or two boxes when I saw the new announcement but after seeing those chances I just lolnope'd it as hard as I could. I'd rather just wait for it to get on a Flash Sale.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 03:37

#39

Arcknightdelta

@ Arilys

Finally! This is the point I was making. You understood your chances and therefore concluded it wasn't worth your money to invest in this promo. If others followed, OOO would have no choice but to rethink their money making strategies. Buy if people are going to carry on buying I doubt a minority can have their voice heard.

Ok yesterday I was kind of peeved at seeing yet again more moaning and groaning on yet another OOO promo. But my main argument was instead of complaining about the low chances after you went out and bought Energy packs just for boxes, don't buy them and make a bigger stamp or "Snorlax Stomp Attack" on what you are fighting for. Yes I too am slightly concerned how OOO 'might' release gear only available to those who want to pay tonnes of cash to get. But this may just be a one off event. This event didn't bother me in the slightest.

I personally have an awesome costume so I don't need these new costume. The shield although it looks awesome is useless to me as a viable option in FSC and my BTS is better for levels that require piercing defence. Hell my CoA is better for shadow defence levels with that nice fire resist. The aura....I don't particularly like the concept. Twilight for me is the best aura in game.

My OCH example was to prove that OOO do listen, they had made it a pay 2 play and now it is freely available to anyone who has a couple thousand ce. So they may make this shield available to use in a flash sale, which I did mention earlier as well.

All in all I understand everyone's point of view. I don't understand why they would go and make such an awesome shield so rare. Maybe they might be planning to do people over on the DFS? But the main question is will OOO listen? We just have to wait and see with the next Update/Promo.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 04:13

#40

Midnight-Dj

'I don't understand why they would go and make such an awesome shield so rare.'-Arc

So, all the ranting I have done on the celestial shield stat have no effect on you? I have already done the analysis, the celestial shield is awful and it is next in line with Aegis, no sane players would ever break their wallets/ farm FSC like crazy to get this shield, it is an example of eye candy at its finest. Again, the reason why OOO made the shield so useless is to prevent an uproar from the F2P community, so kudos to you OOO, you actually heard our voice this time. Oh, BTW, can we get rare drop of bitter end in T3 DM treasure room? That would be nice.

As for your opinion on the hammer, again, war hammer has its limits, it is not OP by any chance. #Acheron4life #ALLHailBrandishmasterrace

And for all the ppl out there that are still butt hurt over RNG and the awful promos, here is a song:
Lyrics based off collective consciousness, MGR:rising OST, all copy right goes to Konami and Mr. Kojima

The unenlighted gamers,
You cannot make the judgement call,
Give up your free will forever,
Your voices won't be heard at all.

Display your paypal,
While never begging for more contents,
And blindly swear your fanbase,
Let your MMO control your mind,
LET YOUR MMO CONTROL YOUR SOUL!

Play in ignorance,
And purchase your shiny boxes,
When the cash and money is the real cause,
Thinking ceases and the thruth is lost!

Don't you worry,
UFSC will be exactly what you grind,
We give our players the promos they need,
The RNG shall succeed.

The fires of greed will burn the F2P,
So we will make mist tanks obsolete!
Breaking down the fabrics of reality!
Let UI update control what you see!

Let your MMO control your soul,
Let your MMO control your mind.
LET YOUR MMO CONTROL YOUR SOUL,
LET YOUR MMO CONTROL YOUR MIND!!!

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 04:25

#41

Arcknightdelta

@ Midnight-Dj

Oops I missed out looking. *Awesome LOOKING*. My bad.

My god!! Ok I'm going to spam CAPITALS every where now!!!!

OCH WHEN IT WAS RELEASED IT WAS A PAY ONLY WITH REAL MONEY CONTENT. I DON'T CARE ABOUT HOW RUBBISH OR GOOD IT WAS AND IT'S CONTENTS. NOW IT IS EASILY AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WITH ENERGY TO BUY IN GAME. MY POINT IS THAT OOO MIGHT LISTEN AND MAYBE JUST FRIKIN MAYBE THEY MAY MAKE THIS NEW RUBBISH YET AWESOME LOOKING SHIELD AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE MUCH MORE EASIER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW. SO THEN EVERYONE WHO IS UPSET NOW WILL BE HAPPY THEN. THEY MAY EVEN STOP THIS MADNESS WITH THIS PROMO, NEVER TO AGAIN RELEASE A 'UNIQUE' ITEM THIS WAY. HOPEFULLY!

Understand? Please don't troll me and say "Don't use capitals it makes you look stupid" I know it does but GRHSHDVSBSJWHAHABBJABABSB!!!!

On a more serious note. I enjoyed reading through that song.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 09:48

#42

Fehzor

@Seiran

Yes, the fallacy behind this thread is the slippery slope and I don't think it will pan out the way I write about, but I don't think it will because of the things that we've all said in this thread and in other threads in General and in general.

As I wrote to Arknight-

"I'd rather OOO not gauge our acceptance over this shield and open up towards this becoming the new way to release content to begin with. Yes, that might very well be what happens, but I believe it can be avoided.

I do not know OOO's plan regarding releases like this one, but this style of release (one new+unique item that the majority will never get the option to use) does have a distinct possibility of becoming the norm. I don't think that they'll just start placing new items in promotional boxes as the main style of release, but I do think that if we permit, we could expect to see an item like this shield here and there, which isn't such a crime, but it isn't what I want to see the game become.

@Midnight-DJ

As wonderful as your lyrics are, I do think that we will be heard. Not me, but the consensus of everyone as a whole.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/98469#comment-891161

Whether I, or anyone else, is a butt hurt loser that just needs to get over it is of little consequence to the topic at hand.

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If I were a new player considering sticking around in Spiral Knights, and I went to the auction house and saw the shield-- selling for 2 to 3 million crowns.. what would I think? I'd look into the shield on the patch notes, see that it has a .0025 chance of dropping from boxes, and think "yep, its got the free to play to win trappings thing going on big time". This is not the message that Spiral Knights should be sending to people.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 09:59

#43

Malkalack

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Discuss the wide range of weapons, armor and items of Spiral Knights.
Fourth one down, pal. Aaaaand, since you are discussing a shield would the logical place to do it not be in the forum about gear?

It appears that you just want more traffic, as General Discussion is frequented by forum-ers more often than The Arsenal, and you refused so vehemently to move it to the valid sub-forum.

(@ Fehzor)

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 10:08

#44

Rhagnarock

my 2 cents

I think of you as a conspiracy theorist.

I do see the world with a different angle than most ppl... not a conspiracy theorist at all but you can have your opinion, people see a square or a cube, I see something else... I usually try to see what's behind the front door. Like behind the scene changes... I called that someone got fired and Nick leave OOO like a week or two afterwards...

@Malka you obviously jumped some wall of text, this is a discussion about the prize box and how OOO deal with new unique items... not about balancing gear itself (and thank god for that otherwise I wouldn't be commenting)

@Arck
Mind sharing some of that popcorn XD

Nah go for it! I got a big bowl... or whatever that scoop is called

Fun fact: I thought about which popcorn gif to get so I could "share" with some instead of having he same Michael Jackson or whoever the guy with 3D glasses is

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 11:29

#45

Fehzor

Malkalack I already dealt with your minimodding. Go read that. http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/98469#comment-890877

And thank you Rhagnarock.

Balancing a piercing + shadow shield would be relatively easy anyway. Make the shield. Give it any status resistances other than curse/stun. Its now a new and unique shield and as such is "worth getting" once you've got every other shield-- entirely in line with dread skelly shield, volcanic plate shield and every other niche 5* shield.

But that is a different conversation. This is very much about how the item is released and attained as a promotional item, not how good/bad/that it is a shield.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 11:37

#46

Seiran

@Malkalack:
Aaaaand, since you are discussing a shield would the logical place to do it not be in the forum about gear?

From the looks of it, it's not really the shield itself which is the issue, but the 'gambler prize'.

@Shamrock (LOL St Patrick's Day):
"Behind the scenes changes" tend to be more to do with updating assets or making preparatory changes to the engine, so when an event goes live, players don't have to deal with huge downloads, and 3 rings doesn't have to deal with large amounts of people downloading large amounts of data at once. It's not like an event happened within a month of those changes or anything like that, right?

Besides, you don't need to change code and make people download things over a change in employees.

And I probably didn't reply to that thread because I didn't want it to live, but I think you had a thread along the lines of the bolted vees as a result of a 3rings employee wanting to have them for himself.

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@Fehzor:
If I were a new player considering sticking around in Spiral Knights, and I went to the auction house and saw the shield-- selling for 2 to 3 million crowns.. what would I think? I'd look into the shield on the patch notes, see that it has a .0025 chance of dropping from boxes, and think "yep, its got the free to play to win trappings thing going on big time". This is not the message that Spiral Knights should be sending to people.

If I were a new player and saw that shield in the Auction House, I'd think "welp, out of reach", cool though.
Actually, I'm pretty poor in-game so I think that already ;_;

That aside, I think it's fine if 3 rings does that for promo content. It's a similar step between F2P looking at premium content and thinking "ah, those rich P2P players" and a paying player looking at someone with a rare prizebox item and thinking "ah, those rich P2P players". As cringe-inducing as it is, it's still fairly cosmetic.

I was going to reiterate that I just think it's inappropriate to say that future updates will behave this way based off of promos, but then I remembered the Black Kat Cowl. You needed to get lucky to get a rare book for a chance to fight a boss to get a rare item. It's a similar deal, except that time, they played with people's time rather than their money.

I pity the whales though.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 12:10

#47

Arcknightdelta

@ Seiran

To be fair you can't compare any event to this. The closest example would be OCH solely based on it was obtainable via real money and it had unique items. Kat event has unique items but no real money is required to get them. 80kce is how much in dollars?

Fehzor I completely agree with your concern but if I haven't made it clear already this isn't anything to get worked up over. I strongly believe OOO will always do their best to make everyone happy. Lets keep faith in our developers.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 12:11

#48

Fehzor

OOO does tend to repeat themselves like you said (as well as things like flash sales, old promos being re-introduced.. etc.) so I don't think my argument is that unreasonable.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 13:06

#49

Finale-Flare

Its a shield, who carez. Its

Its a shield, who carez.

Its novvel looks will wear off in a few weeks, and the stats are nice. But barely any pro uses any shield besides SSB/BTS..

In essence, this makes the new shield sort of an acvessory, just to flaunt wealth with (likee wings or halos). Looks cool, but no new gamebreaking utility.

(Cantt type with cold fingers)

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 13:08

#50

Arcknightdelta

@ Two-Step

We aren't discussing how good/bad the shield is.

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I do not like that the new shield is an immensely rare promotional item.