Video of Proto set Solo T1 Danger Rooms to prove financially self sufficient possible
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 21:44
//--------------- INTRODUCTION-----------------//
the following are videos of me wearing the most basic gears to run T1 danger rooms, one at D3 the other at D5. i died twice and both are in the D5 danger room, cuz i was careless. with a summary of the expenditure and income of this run, i prove that ANYONE should be capable of playing SK non-stop without good gears and without a visa card. so 1) stop posting new threads that this game is a rip off, 2) stop being bitter about others having uber gears 3) learn2play. THERE IS NO REASON YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PLAY OR BUY GEARS. believe in yourself, you can do it!
//--------------- THE EVIDENCE ------------------//
D3 part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVljEZ0kmKM
D3 part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v13sxvDiI_w
D3 part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzX5YFB69M
D3 part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcrVrZGPhuY
D5 part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSx-AKSlrxI
D5 part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXcSJrEysa0
D5 part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wou5VuC-S9w
D5 part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfP_PQj-YqY
D5 part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJImVCflvws
D5 part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYjIt0YjMw
D5 part 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsqE-IP9Nj8
//--------------HERE IS THE FINANCIAL REPORT----------------//
i went in with 193081 crowns, and came out with 197625.
so i earned 4544.
60 en for those 6 floors, 6 en for opening the two danger room, 6 en from rezzing,
total of 72 en.
but i also assume you have 100 mist en to cover those 72 en.
take the current market price 4850 crowns for 100 en,
then your left over 28 en worths 1358 crown.
thus, you have a total of 5902 crown.
that's totally enough for you to buy 100 en and run it again with some savings stored, and you're not gonna use up all 100 for the next run anyways.
//------------- OUTRO ---------------//
conclusion? you DON'T need to use a credit card. i got to end game without buying EN with cash ever. if i can do it, many others can do it too, and so can you.
IF anyone knows any other languages, please translate this thread and post it in which ever forum those speakers hang around.
the beggars and the QQ threads are polluting the community, we need to stop the trend before this game falls short.
IGN--------- Rits
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 21:54
#2
So what you're saying is that
So what you're saying is that every new player magically has the hundreds of hours of experience that you have playing this game and will thus be able to do what you do.
This is an e-peen thread if I've ever seen one.
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 22:06
#3
@Replicant that's another
@Replicant that's another topic and yes i've seen those threads around. but its only fair for those who pay gets there faster. BUT, if a player is still so fresh to the game that he can't be self sufficient in T1, give him all the credit cards he prolly can't run T2 with 5* gears properly. my concern is that new players complaining that they are forced to pay or beg. the truth is that there is an option, be patience and learn the game like any F2P players at end game.
@Metaphysic "what i'm saying" is listed clearly in the starting and the end of the article. does it really take hundred hours to be self-sufficient in T1 and get to T2 in 3~5 days? i dont think my videos convince you that i possess godly skill. its T1 with basic gears, what kind of trickery there can be?
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 22:07
#4
Just a bit off topic here...
Just a bit off topic here... you've got some nice videos but all the one's I've seen are solo videos. Most players, especially early on, deal with the randomness of multiple players in their party, you should show how to be an effective teammate sometimes[note: I didn't go through every single one of your vids, just some of the latest you've linked to so if I did miss some multiplayer ones, my bad]
Secondly, why are you splitting them into so many parts and the whole thing isn't long? I don't see a point to that, if there's an issue of file sizes, you may want to consider using compression, youtube can handle fairly large sizes anyway.
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 22:16
#5
@NegimaSonic I!!!!.... have
@NegimaSonic I!!!!.... have no friends... /sadface
nah jk. indeed i solo a lot more than i party up till this point. i'm not in any guild either. team game far as i understand, can be helpful or harmful. especially in T3, a group without some organization can only make the run harder than solo, since the mobs are all buffed, and running into each other's mob's attack. i haven't reached a point i'm ready to look into teamwork, but eventually.
splitting is because win7 limits my recordings at 4GB (equivalent to 2~3 mins), then it cuts off and start a new file. and i'm too lazy to find a software for video editing... if anyone knows what gamers usually use to edit clips into 1 video to make everyone's life easier, let me know.
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 22:22
#6
"BUT, if a player is still so
"BUT, if a player is still so fresh to the game that he can't be self sufficient in T1, give him all the credit cards he prolly can't run T2 with 5* gears properly."
That argument is flimsy at BEST given the requirements to get inside the tiers themselves.
"my concern is that new players complaining that they are forced to pay or beg."
This logic applies to every online video game. Ever. Ignore it.
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 22:39
#7
Windows Movie Maker is for
Windows Movie Maker is for general purposes.
Mediacoder can do the same thing but perhaps maybe be more complex than you need.
And as far as a 4 GB size, maybe you're recording too large of a screen size, windowed 1078 or whatever should do just fine
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 01:20
#8
@Metaphysic
I don't see this as an ego thread, because I was able able to solo all of Tier 1 with proto-gear when I started. Tier 1 isn't that hard, because the enemies have less threatening attacks and are fairly easy to kill. Danger rooms take a bit of training to get good at, but it shouldn't take you too long. Also, if you're not good at these types of games you need to realize that patience is a virtue and just keep working at it.
Though I will note the self sufficiency never seemed like a big deal to me. The first thing I do after I complete a tier run is to calculate my net gain, and I always get my MEs worth. Even in the Rescue Camp tutorial level you can be completely self sufficient and game forever if you wanted to. This is all given that the CE market doesn't inflate anymore.
tl;dr Learn math skills, and threads like this become redundant.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 01:41
#9
Some part of the tutorial
Some part of the tutorial should tell newbies to prefer trading crowns for CE before equipment, if they like playing more than 2 hours per day. Maybe it already does, implicitly (it explains everything operates on energy and where the exchange is).
People are... ahh never mind. There's always going to be beggars, people who don't read, people who don't care. The smart people you don't hear about. They figure out their own way to sustain themselves.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 05:12
#10
Patience...
Indeed it is all about patience most of the time, carefully picking off opponents whilst dodging incoming attacks really. If you're not skillful with the sword and board, try out the kiting as a gunslinger! Thats how I solo'd the arena first time through, took a while but worked out eventually lol!
The game is sufficient as a F2P game, if you aren't in any rush to reach end game thats all :)
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 06:05
#11
How much did you earn in the
How much did you earn in the last danger room?
What's your calculations if there wasn't any danger room?
It's not always that you'll get a danger room at depth 5/6 and from my experience, that usually gives ~800-1000 $$ which is substantial portion of your profitability. Those at D1/2/3 tends to be cheapskates...
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 09:52
#12
@lostiming
By my numbers, without any danger rooms in tier 1 you will still be able to buy your 100CE. You will be cutting it a bit close (within 100-500cr), but it shouldn't be a problem. I only have 2 runs out of hundreds on record that didn't have a net profit.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 11:10
#13
First, cheers to sawa for
First, cheers to sawa for making a very good point about this game. From the first day I started playing, it only took me about 10 hours of total time spent fighting to get a good grasp of the game mechanics; it was enough so that I could be a competent team mate as well as solo if I wanted to. In total I have ~288 hours of gameplay to date, roughly half of which I have spent fighting.
I want to reiterate sawa's point and say that it doesn't take much to be decent at this game. It's not easy, but all it takes is some common sense, practice, and learning what each monster does. You can play this game without ever purchasing CE and still have tons of fun.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 12:02
#14
Just finished a T1 run. I had
Just finished a T1 run. I had two danger rooms and opened a treasure gate. I didn't run in newbie gear because I already know it's possible to do without dying, and even if you do die, you could just run with a party.
Energy spent: 69
Crowns obtained: 4317
This is already over 5k/100 energy. But here's another point I came to make. I got approximately 4k worth of materials to sell on the AH. So in total I would have probably made about 10k for a T1 run.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 12:52
#15
glad to see all the back ups.
glad to see all the back ups. to the better future of haven, gentlemen! cheers *raise glass*
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 12:52
#16
hey, just want to point out
hey, just want to point out if proto bomb counts as proto set, then using that for danger rooms is a lot more faster.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 18:04
#17
I'm noticing a theme
"...there is an option, be patience [sic] and learn the game like any F2P players at end game. " --sawa0122
"...you need to realize that patience is a virtue and just keep working at it." --Ginzaki
"Indeed it is all about patience most of the time..." --Comito
I'm glad you made some videos that show evidence that you can easily afford (nearly) unlimited play time, but I'm thinking that a lot of the problems a lot of people have with this game are caused by their sheer lack of patience. I assume this because of several behaviors I've seen from newer players to the game.
- Wasting energy to revive before I can get over to them with my full health to freely revive them.
- Walking right by little green bushes or lamps without slashing them. I've had 100 crown coins drop from these.
- Chaotically charging around levels with never a thought to strategy or survival. A friend of mine calls it the "ants on a hot dog" approach.
- Not being willing to go back to clear out the rest of a level when we reach a party button.
- Begging for 10 or less energy so that they can immediately blow it on one unprofitable level in the first half of a tier.
- Begging for small amounts of crowns so that they can win an auction for some piece of gear (that's probably not very good anyway).
- Buying lots of junk (un-upgradeable) gear instead of CE or recipes for good (sellable) gear.
- People buying out materials I have for sale for significantly more than other identical materials' buyout prices (wait, please keep doing this!).
- People getting in a bidding war with me as I inflate the price of some mat or gear to way more than it's worth before I "let" them win.
- People won't shut the game off and find something else to do while their mist energy recharges.
It seems that the devs for SK have a different vision for their game as evidenced by their recent (and reviled) updates. For whatever reason, they want it to be time-consuming to become self-sufficient and work your way into 5* gear. Personally, I find playing through my mist energy and then waiting for the recharge enhances my enjoyment of the awesome game that Three Rings has made. But then I do have a job, so I don't have (get) to sit around and be bored all day either.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 18:11
#18
@kettlefish
Another really good point. I've got plenty of other games I can play while waiting for my ME to recharge. Right now it's a combo of Fire Emblem and Netflix.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 18:20
#19
"- Chaotically charging
"- Chaotically charging around levels with never a thought to strategy or survival. A friend of mine calls it the "ants on a hot dog" approach."
Wow, I'm a "friend". I came up with that when I was new. Not that I am an old hand either. But thanks to Kettlefish, I have learned to slow down, enjoy my 100 energy and have even gotten to the point that I am purchasing CE with crowns now. Guess it is why I rather have a relaxing run with a friend or two, rather than dashing for the JK. Thanks Kettlefish! Guess that is why I enjoy bombing. Yes I know swords do it faster, but if I get 2 hrs of fun out of what a Swordie does in forty-five minutes. Who had more fun time with their X amount of energy?
Patience... wish I would have named my character that.
The Bane
"learn2play"
But... It's haaaaaard and takes effort!
On a more serious note... At some point, you misinterpreted something. The issue isn't that you can't be a sole F2P player, which you can be obviously. The issue was the sharp, upward curve compared to the P2P players - in that, not enough content to justify it. At least, that's the RATIONAL side of what I've read. C'est la vie.