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Sun, 09/08/2013 - 07:43
Our-Little-Ajo

Well, I'm an end-game player. that only connects to play LD and merch a little bit, and after 2 years playing LD, I feel that we need a change, so I want to suggest an Elite Lockdown.

- No Energy rez
- No Auto-Target (I'm a high ping player, and there's nothing more annoying for me to play against AT players, so, for laggy people is not actually a help, is more an handicap).
- No Unique Variants
- No trinkets.
- Controlled respawns. Between 10-15 second Per spawn, if a team have a leaver 8 secs to balance.

Besides these features will be "cool" if you give a "new air" to Lockdown, adding a few features like

- Frag counter
- Killing streak announcement (Like Unreal... double kill, triplw, monster and such)
- Lockdown taunts (You can throw them at supply depot to earn some USD).
- Like bombheads, some Lockdown outfits. (Since mist removal, no players bribe King Krogmo anymore, we need a new excuse to do it).
- Latency bars/ Ping in frag counter.

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The other option is create Lobbys for GvG, that can be customized depending on the player needs, with options like :

- UV's - Enable - Disable
- Autotarget Enable - Disable
- Trinkets Enable - Disable
- Energy rez
Obviously with these or some of these features you can give Lockdown a new competitive challenge for end game players.

I'm not asking to remove actual Lockdown, I just want a new option to bring more fun to the entire community and not just a few.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 10:53
#1
Terrty's picture
Terrty
uyfd

YAY no UVS now i dont have to deal with ezho commin in here spamming crap just because he can... now ill be the one killing his oversized but. Hell prolly stay away because even he knows its just his UVS that make him good

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 10:57
#2
Little-Juances's picture
Little-Juances

I don't get why would anyone pay for taunts.

Can't you just write on chat /e killed all ze noobs

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 12:46
#3
Our-Little-Ajo
Terrty / Ezho's alt

This suggeston doesn't go against any player/guild/others, in fact I'm quite sure I have the best skolver in the game (UV's speaking) and I still believe that an Elite Lockdown must put us all in the same conditions.

I have everything MAXED with ASI VH and such, and I really don't mind to loose that advantage if OOO gives us a new choice of Lockdown.

Little-Juances

Was just an idea of things that some people may want, is not my personal case.

That's why I use the word "Elite", only an elite player don't depends on UV's or Autotarget (Specially Brandish-Valiance-Argent users), and that's what I'm looking for, a place for bare hands fight.

Please post any good ideas, even if they are copy from another game to improve our PvP and make a stronger suggestion.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 12:55
#4
Darkcub's picture
Darkcub
+1

+1

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 12:59
#5
Bleyken's picture
Bleyken

+1 But kill RedblAAdes and DrAAgnel will be to easy with this :(

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 13:03
#6
Our-Little-Ajo
Contri

Edit that, we don't need hate in this suggestion, we need to OOO consider it.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 13:06
#7
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder

No. >_>

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 13:07
#8
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy

I don't really care for the killstreaks or whatever but I'll happily play LD matches without shockwalkers.

Will trinkets be allowed in this thing? Your suggestion does not mention them.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 13:11
#9
Bleyken's picture
Bleyken

@Feller They know is a joke -.-

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 13:13
#10
Our-Little-Ajo
Zeddy

I believe that Trinkets are easy to get more than MAX UVs, CE speaking is almost the same effort than getting a 5* gun/bomb/sword.

Maybe a bigger Health decrease for strikers will bring a better balance, but first let's see how LD is without Auto-Target / UV's, maybe could be more balanced than we think.

Skyguarder

Just like I say, is not to change actual Lockdown, is just to bring a harder/balanced Lockdown for the ones who want to play with bare hands.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 13:22
#11
Lskyx's picture
Lskyx
+1

A custom Lockdown lobby is exactly what this game needs. Many multilayer games use this system and it works very well. Random example

Make the game more enjoyable for all players.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 14:50
#12
Our-Little-Ajo
Lsky

Added the Lobby idea.

Thanks for supporting the suggestion

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 14:55
#13
Abelisk's picture
Abelisk

+1.

I would like bombing the knights out of dem ASI High-Very High acheroners and voltedgers.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 15:58
#14
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

+1

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 16:17
#15
Our-Little-Ajo
Ultrex

Right now there are just a couple bombers that can stand an attack without dying too fast, but those guys have Max resist to everything.

This suggestion is perfect for people who want to use other classes / sets.

I'm not against UV people AT all. I'm a shock- stun walker, with Max damage and ASI (Max shock-stun-piercing resist on my skolver), but just like autotarget, is damn cheap, so I rather not use it.

Elite Lockdown must be a PVP were all people fight with skill, not variants or aimbot.

Call your friends if you support the idea. The only way that OOO look at this thread if we reach a good amount of people.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 16:29
#16
Canine-Vladmir's picture
Canine-Vladmir
The type of player who would downvote this:

That moment when you realize that without UVs, you suck.

+1 I'm up for this.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 16:51
#17
Popoixd's picture
Popoixd

Yay finally people can do lockdown whitout being rich and overpowered ! + 1 thousand of millions.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 18:07
#18
Our-Little-Ajo
To get my UVs

I spend over 15mill, impossible amount for 85% of players.

With an Elite Lockdown, any 5* will be in the same conditions. Without autotarget, 4 bars players will stand in their skill and not in random spam.

GvG will be fair, clean and more competitive.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 18:52
#19
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder

"impossible amount for 85% of players."
"For 85% of players"
"85% of players"
"85%"

That means that 15% of the players in SK are very rich? Isn't it 10% of the game? :P

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 18:52
#20
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
+1

i completely agree with this.

I'd also add a no trink option, and perhaps the ability to make 4 person teams.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 20:27
#21
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy
Oh

If striker can still use dual-penta hearts, I don't see anything 'elite' about this after all.

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 21:02
#22
Waffleconecake's picture
Waffleconecake
the milk spots are now bleeding.

Zeddy is right, the fight will be blighted with pay to win still if a fighter can fill their slots for trinkets as the the mightyer will not be the most skilled but the one who has too much hp to be killed so I will for trinkets to be bared from this "elite lockdown".

Sun, 09/08/2013 - 21:05
#23
Waffleconecake's picture
Waffleconecake

Forgive me my hostests for I double posted. This is my repention as it was not my intention.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 05:09
#24
Krakob's picture
Krakob

+1 for all of this except allowing Trinkets. This would most certainly make LD a lot more balanced but there's still the problem with Strikers having Guardian HP and that's just wrong.

As for killstreaks and such, I say no. Lockdown is about capping and holding points, not killing. I think a cap/defend streak system would be better. As for taunts, just no. LD players are jerky enough as it is at the moment.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 06:15
#25
Our-Little-Ajo
No problem

Added trinkets option.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 06:20
#26
Our-Little-Ajo
About other features

Most FPS games have those features even when they are "king of the hill", "flag capture" and others.

Is just to give a new air to Lockdown.

About taunt, without UVs or autotarget Jerks population will decrease consistenly

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 06:30
#27
Our-Little-Ajo
Added controlled respawn

Between 10 - 15 secs all the time.
If a team have a leaver, time should be less.. Let's say 8 secs.

About health trinkets, I'm a full time striker, but I know that without autotarget every hit will be on purpose and no random spam, so a skilled striker will not be afected by this. I totally support the idea of "no health trinkets in LD".

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 13:14
#28
Retaeq's picture
Retaeq

+1 to all.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 17:40
#29
Spookington's picture
Spookington
+1

I actually like this, you go Duckman!

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 17:41
#30
Spookington's picture
Spookington
+1

I actually like this, you go Duckman!

Tue, 09/10/2013 - 01:13
#31
Krakob's picture
Krakob

I think the most fair way to balance leavers would be to increase the speed of capturing. The formula would simply be:
Original amount of player on team/players on team.
If there are four players and none have left, it's 4/4 and thus 1. If one leaves, it's 4/3 and thus 1.33. Another one leaves and it's 4/2, or 2. This means that points can always be capped at the same speed as they could be originally.

Tue, 09/10/2013 - 06:42
#32
Theirillusion's picture
Theirillusion

This means AT will be gone. +1

Who ever added AT didn't think it through.

Tue, 09/10/2013 - 11:29
#33
Bert-Banana's picture
Bert-Banana
.

I really do hate you, and I don't know why I'm contributing to a thread you made.

But I will up this thread. I must say that it will be a more enjoyable way to play the game without all the added extras that it has to it. It makes it a more simple way to play. If all the options are turned off, everything on the field will be fair.

+1

Tue, 09/10/2013 - 13:34
#34
Our-Little-Ajo
Hate in a game is way unnecesary

But I do appreciate your support. Thanks to all.

We really need to improve our hobbie.

Tue, 09/10/2013 - 14:03
#35
Apophis-Set-Two's picture
Apophis-Set-Two
@Feller

Top skolvy set? Really? Not accounting for accessories, what uvs do u have?

Tue, 09/10/2013 - 15:33
#36
Our-Little-Ajo
I'm willing to give up to this advantage

In both parts

Piercing Max - shock and stun immunity.

In skolver with ASI VH weps.. Is the best for gvg.

Is been a year since my last wearing.. I love my ancient with piercing High.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 08:14
#37
Mushta-Forum's picture
Mushta-Forum

+1

If this happens, it will be a reason for me to play this game.

Also, being able to see other players' ping status would be good IMO.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 11:29
#38
Our-Little-Ajo
Yikes, that's a good idea.

Added ping status.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 11:46
#39
Drdrj's picture
Drdrj

What Theirillusion said, AT will be gone +1

I don't really care about UVs, but heart trinkets are what make the game interesting. It's not fun when people die in 2 hits. And trinkets are so easy to get, you don't even need the 5* version, the 4* works well, +2 hearts are not going to make any difference most of the time.

And yes for lockdown outfits and ping status.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 18:18
#40
Doctorspacebar's picture
Doctorspacebar
Pistol is best weapon in TF2

An emphatic "NO" to Taunting and ESPECIALLY Kill Streak announcements (the latter is one of the things about TF2 I despise). In fact, also prevent the /lol command for ten seconds after a kill.

People play games to enjoy them, not to have some scumsack with an ego the size of a small planet taunting them every time they die.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 20:36
#41
Nebrium-Jr's picture
Nebrium-Jr
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I like this, however I do see potential problems. Although I'd look forward to this, as would other "elite" LD players, do you think that it would be much harder for people to find matches? In other words, are there usually enough elite (or adventurous non-elite) players on around the same times, all day, to make this a viable option? Considering that the vast majority of the LD community relies on all the usual buffs, at this point I'd think not.

I like the idea of a frag counter, but that option is ripe for abuse. You guys have been around long enough to realize that a lot of players get their kills by rushing into a melee that's already begun, and pick off softened targets. Either that, or they travel with the pack and just happen to get the finishing blow. The end result may be that people idolize certain players for their kill count, but the reality could be that they didn't necessarily have to work as hard as others to get them. IF, and only if, people can keep that in mind, then by all means implement that system.

+1 for the "No AT," UV's, or trinkets

I love the idea for taunts, but not the idea of buying them.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 21:41
#42
Dekuinanutshell's picture
Dekuinanutshell
The name is a lie

...How is it that everyone hates the same exact suggestion I posted just not too long ago and everyone hates it. But you add a little bit if spice into the sauce of the same exact idea and BOOM successful. Incase you don't know what I mean http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/88871

Educate yourself.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 22:34
#43
Deleted-Knight's picture
Deleted-Knight
eh

Your proposal is a more fair version than what we currently have. However I think it could be improved.

1) Your Elite Lockdown appears to takes place in T3. Is it because you assumed most skilled Lockdown players are veterans who are 5*?
In T3 Lockdown, people die really quickly, especially with no health trinkets. The element of surprise is often enough to guarantee a KO. This is one of the main reasons I play mostly T2. I think it would be beneficial if everyone were given more staying time on the field so more combat and strategy could occur. How you want to go about implementing that is up to you.

2) I don't understand why you feel there is a need to ban UVs but not all trinkets.
Your system basically ruins armor UVs but made weapon UVs still viable by allowing trinkets. With two trinkets, the total armor boost possible is two +Med trinkets. With two trinkets, the weapon boost could potentially reach +VH for ASI or CTR on an entire class of weapons. This would further compound the quick deaths that happen in T3, pushing it more towards luck than skill.

The main reason UVs (and AT) are regarded as cheap in T3 is mainly because of combo spamming GF and DA. Those weapons are ridiculously overpowered and you might as well be dead if someone manages to get the jump on you with them (assuming no trinkets). Eliminating UVs would mitigate the combo spamming problem, but connection (unfixable) and the element of surprise (unfixable) still plays a big role in that.
People always complain about UVs and trinkets because that's what players have control over. However, the main problem is that players die too fast in general. In T2, even the people with ASI VH and good connection can be managed by using strength in numbers and some strategy. In T3, they just have to spam faster and everyone dies.

Skill is about hitting the opponent more than he can hit you. However, luck makes hits irregular. If people die in a small number of hits, there's a greater chance that the victor of a battle would actually be less skilled.

If you want an "Elite Lockdown", you should remove all bonuses that is not inherent to gear and make everyone have MORE health so more skill is needed to take down an opponent.

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 22:37
#44
Deleted-Knight's picture
Deleted-Knight
@Dekuina

Might be because he's popular in the forums/in-game.
Also he put "elite" in the title, which naturally attracts Lockdown players who think they are "pro" (~80% of all LD players).

Wed, 09/11/2013 - 22:47
#45
Spookington's picture
Spookington
@ deku

Because apparently the internet is no different than a high school popularity contest. Perhaps you need to gather for yourself a gang of cronies who will mindlessly support whatev you do.

But thankfully, despite disparities in forum popularity, no one on the player side truly has any sway over anything here out of OOO's wise decision to simply not give a shift. I'm not even being nasty or sarcastic there - a great policy, "Equality through apathy" is. No favorites are made because OOO couldn't care less - it's actually one of the few things here I find refreshing.

Also - to answer seriously - it was all in the purty wrapping paper Feller used: He made his suggestion come across as an option - an option for everyone who didn't want to bother competing with the 'roided-out UV people while the aforementioned UV-junkies could still get their validation issues resolved.

Yours, whether you intended to or not, came across more as a petition to get rid of UVs. Also, some people didn't read - simple as that - to see that this was also to be an optional mode, but like I've said in a few of my own earlier posts, when the elite see that their precious finance-based advantages might be OMG TAKEN AWAY FOREVAR, they get ULTRA defensive and will tear apart ANYTHING that DARES suggest anything that would balance things NOT in their favor. "Wait... this doesn't work to *MY* benefit? ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK! KILL THE HERETIC!"

It's all a petty issue of semantics, really. If your wrapping paper is also purty and pandering enough, you can sneak even the STUPIDEST things past this place!

(Actually, I take this back - there are some pretty smart and analytical peeps on here who will, regardless, still rip it up.)

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 06:58
#46
Our-Little-Ajo
OOO already add

Elite PVE for end game players, and create it as an option. Regular PVE is still there, so I see no problem in creating an Elite Lockdown option.

Why Elite ? Simple, an Elite LD players will not care about UVs, Autotarget or trinkets at all. About fast kills due to low health, without AT those kills will reduce in a big proportion, since AT is a huge help specially for combos.

This suggestion is a new option for people who think can play without HELP and just skill.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 10:07
#47
Snarbolars's picture
Snarbolars
I realy like this idea

To bad i can't come up whit a good idea to support this tread :/

Fri, 09/13/2013 - 09:06
#48
Our-Little-Ajo
Don't worry

As long as you support our idea and join us to get enough attention to OOO realice that improve lockdown is a NEED.

Fri, 09/13/2013 - 09:52
#49
Cobaltstarfire's picture
Cobaltstarfire
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It's kind of odd, I wouldn't have thought this the "elite" option (for some reason I thought all the "elites" were the people who want to flex their giant uv's and things, I've gotten more crap from people over my gear and class choice (guardian) than I have over the fact that I'm mediocre/average rather than elite). Whether I'm "elite" or not I'd play this mode just cause I'm not interested in investing lots of time and money into uvs.

I do like the options presented though. That said, I think it should be no trinkets period if trinkets are disallowed.

Disallowing health trinkets but still allowing damage trinkets doesn't really fix the problem, it just shifts trinket use to a different trinket. Damage and health are like two sides of the same coin.

I also don't think kill streaks and more ways to taunt people really adds to the game. The only time I see taunting it's between people that know each other (in good fun), or it's someone that's not especially good trying to compensate for the fact that they got stomped (butt hurt and even worse than me).

Fri, 09/13/2013 - 10:41
#50
Our-Little-Ajo
Sure

Enough people think that gear is already enough to have a balanced LD and trinkets are not necessary. So I'm in.

Removed trinkets from Elite LD

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