Spiral Knights - Updated: "Petition" towards OOO: Let old knights created before this patch redo the character creation. You know what I mean OOO

Updated: "Petition" towards OOO: Let old knights created before this patch redo the character creation. You know what I mean OOO

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Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:43

Tersakaff

This petition is now focused on EDIT #3. The update is not out yet but it is a known fact that it will come. A "yes, you will redo the character creation" or "no, go eat sweaty manparts" would be appreciated. Also, petitions aren't suggestions, it is an open discussion. I will respect your decision to place it in Suggestions anyway. :)

Whether it is trough some kind of special ticket or a new NPC allowing one change, we deserve to do it too.

Please post here if you support this idea, let's show OOO we want it, however, politely.

EDIT: As of the patch on 9 May, new content, important story missions have been added to the rescue camp, and we do not have access to them on our main knights. Added to the petition. As I have said in a post, I will not let this thread die until we get a clear response.

EDIT #2: I feel like I should include this here. So, let's say OOO finally listens and does this.. BUT, in the initial creation, we wouldn't have the option to change to special eyes, or XT/XS heights, and we're sure nobody would want to lose theirs in favor of a regular set of eyes and height. So what I'm proposing to fix this, is a series of special tickets:
- One that brings you back to the rescue camp to do your missions. In your gear, nothing's changed.
- One that allows you to change your height, and eyes, basically redoing the creation process entirely.
- One that allows you to redo the creation process, BUT, your eyes and height are locked to your current ones. (this is for changing and accessorizing your proto)
I believe name changes are pretty hard to do/impossible so our names would be locked. vmv

Or if the latter is impossible, just mail us a ticket to the special eyes and heights we had after we redo the normal creation process. :P Bound ofc.

EDIT #3: I have been informed that there is new proto armor coming up soon, from the Test Server. Now that would be EXCLUSIVE to new knights. Accessories, heights and such are one thing, we can buy them. But wholly new exclusive proto is something completely else because no amount of cr can buy it. If old knights don't get to redo the creation, I can only weep and mourn to what will the forums be and the amount of pure disappointment. For those of you who dont know, there are new proto styles, like the flack jacket, draped armor, round helmet and crescent helmet that were featured on the test server.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:45

Enclavean

I'm signing here. Just want

I'm signing here. Just want to change my proto once. ONCE.

/foreverwithuglyproto

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:47

Tersakaff

Yup, just once. :)

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:47

Pawn

just keep screwing over ur supporters. that's what we get.

GOOD NEWS--> NEW CONTENT. Oh wait. hell no, more [bullcrap]

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:47

Softhead

kklkhhmnkknmjk

sure.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:49

Pueo

Agreed. Signed.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:52

Shadowoctopus

Agreed. It is rather unfair

Agreed. It is rather unfair that the players that have been playing for a long time don't get the same chances that a new player would get, unless doing something insane like making a new account after the countless time,money, and energy invested into the game.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:52

Derpules

Yes. This.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:53

Kitty-Softpaws

I sign on this petition as well, TALLY UP VOTES! +1 here too

I regret ever getting pigtails. I was always a Spiral Pith Knight since Bebopx. (the three knights image on the right, the spiral pith is the orange knight)

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:53

Manecor

Yes!

Exactly my thoughts when I saw the announcement.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:56

#10

Flashfox

As long as they can't change to extra small or extra tall I'm ok with this. Eyes were getting cheap anyways..

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:56

#11

Mr-Baldy

I would really like to try it out without making a whole new account just to see how it is. The two accessories seem interesting as well.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:04

#12

Fluffyfoxxie

This is the same kinda stuff

This is the same kinda stuff Nexon has been pulling for years to their loyal Maplestory playerbase - constantly screwing them over and not caring, always catering to new players and pulling in more players instead of giving 2 s**** about their current playerbase, like a godd*** tobacco company. "Who cares if older players get the shaft; they're already addicted. We already have their money."

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:05

#13

Asukalan

Update OOO style, Introduce

Update OOO style,

Introduce something just to rip people off and then make it free but out of access for current players.

Did someone said that OOO cares for players? Or is just directed at new players who will come, spend mindlessly some $$ on CE and then probably quit?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:08

#14

Tersakaff

I believe that was what

I believe that was what everybody thought when they announced that when it was in-development.

And wow guys, keep it polite please.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:08

#15

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

Yes! Falcon agrees!

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:08

#16

Metanat

im signin +1

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:11

#17

Jmsa

...

I hereby sign this petition in this here thread.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:16

#18

Kitty-Softpaws

This is the same kinda stuff

"Update OOO style,

Introduce something just to rip people off and then make it free but out of access for current players.

Did someone said that OOO cares for players? Or is just directed at new players who will come, spend mindlessly some $$ on CE and then probably quit?"

I left WoW since it mostly targeted end-game content players. My main was level 82 & I just couldn't stand that community any longer. But it's why Blizzard is a very successful company & also why when I came back to Spiral Knights in November as Hector-Uribe & Kitty-Softpaws rather than my last account who was @ end-game content with lots of 5* equipment; there just wouldn't be anything to keep me playing if I did come back to that account. The work of reaching 5* & things of wantedness & testingness of weapons & gear was that thrill that kept me in-game since there's not much to look forward to in neither the lame AH & end-game except farm in-game money.

Not to mention how easy it's becoming thanks to so many nerfs. I better see more Gauntlet type of content in later content. I miss those days around April - June when the game was hard as hell BUT I do not miss the lag so MEHH.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:22

#19

Asukalan

+Asukalans seal of approval.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:34

#20

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

^what he said^

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:35

#21

Sypsy

Signed.

Make it so that after a reboot, everyone goes to their player creation module. For those with extra tall or extra short, they get a height modification in their inventory.

OR
- Use an NPC interface for ppl to make it elective.
- Put it in town square for 2 weeks.
- I know you've done trade in's in the missions with the hot edge and frost gun, so you can do a trade in for your old proto gear for new.
- For accessories, you could transfer them in the same way that accessories are moved to transmuted items upon upgrade.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:36

#22

Dirt

Three Rings has proven it

Three Rings has proven it would be possible through the Groundbreaker Armor, so I would assume some kind of ticket system would work. Unfortunately I have no use for it, as all of my looks have already been altered.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:37

#23

The-Ark

Signed

Well, I already got the stuff I wanted, but +1 anyway.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:06

#24

Quit-Sk

There was a chill in the air. +1

Signed.. I support this game... but... ... not gonna start.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:11

#25

Psycho-Dani

A wild Danizpsycho appears!

+1, +2, and I'll give away a Zee Core if this happens.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:19

#26

Guyinshinyarmour

Hah. The second the eyes and height came out before the interface change sealed the deal. There's no way they'd bother retroactively allowing people to do this. Sure, there's a pretty damn simple solution to it, but by god they can't do that now can they. No, they'd rather stick with this idiotic "useable item" way of applying base character changes instead of funneling everything through a central menu.

I'm kinda pissed from just a design perspective. You could still bleed us by having us pay for changes through said menu, but no. We must make it convoluted despite already having the menu coded. Tweak the background to acknowledge that we're not in the Rescue Camp anymore, throw in some payment trigger on confirmation depending on all you've changed, and tada. We could even change proto gear then.

I'm beginning to think the reason we have so few playable content updates is because the back end is as poorly put together as this whole mess.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:22

#27

Divine-Neko

+1 From the neko comunity.

This has the neko seal of approval.

/e Signed Elle-The-Neko of Valkyrie Knights

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:25

#28

Coloya

Signed, they don't lose money by doing that not for current characters.
Furthermore i wish OOO would have given preference to players who play since multiple months, not those who just started.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:27

#29

Kickthebucket

bukkit also aproves on 1 time

bukkit also aproves on 1 time ticket

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:28

#30

Mysticbeam

YES!

I Mysticbeam, King of the Trojans(lol), of The Ascendicate, Do sign this official petition of officialism with my officials.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:33

#31

Myllakka

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Yes please! That would be amazing.

OOO likes to punish older players when new changes come out (or at least shaft us), like with the early mission items.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:38

#32

Sir-Synx

If new players get to have free eyes and height, i believe that we, the supporting gamer should at least get a ticket of some sort for a free height and eye mod.

Sir-Syx approves this message.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:49

#33

Hijadestone

if they don't give this to us let us rage and burn heaven down on it self and spill blood of all who apose let the gms hear us and accept or meet there demise storming mount gm will not be hard and we shall slay them for aposing us muwahaha

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:57

#34

Treizeknight

When T*****, Attention W*****, J***, and Normal People all agree on something, best Three Rings listen.

A ticket (That's bound and untradable) that allows you to redo your default character. (You lose your original stuff to make it fair) sounds fair.

Come on Three Rings, you've buckled under pressure from just two of these groups, I don't see how you'd hold against all of them.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:00

#35

Hexzyle

Approve, even if i only get to change my proto armour.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:06

#36

Cryoworld

YES. MOST DEFINITELY YES.

YES.

MOST DEFINITELY YES.

SIGNED.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:06

#37

Jazelock

Signed on to the forums specifically to see if a thread like this was up. Signed.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:09

#38

Alynn

YESSS

I WANT THAT MOUNTED DISPLAY ON MY PROTO HELM!!!!!!!!!!! RRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:10

#39

Metrulizer

This pushed me to make a Wiki account (not sure how much I'll do though) to then make a new character.
Turns out they give you two head accessories for your proto too
Signed

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:10

#40

Jayrekk

Just made a new char to try

Just made a new char to try it out. You get:
- short, reg or tall height.
- a top of head accessory: maid headband or bolted (or wide dunno which) vee
- a side head accessory: the headphones, the robot single eyepiece (helm mounted display), mech wings (?) and the single antenna (comm unit)
- or a plume or ribbon
- the three eyes in the featured menu of the market place, happy, normal, almond and another one

So nothing super cool, and none of the nicest eyes, heights or accessories.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:35

#41

Kielos

I support this, but it's not

I support this, but it's not going to happen. Know why? Two reasons.

1. There is no system in place to change specs on your character, which means OOO would need to design a completely new system to do so.

2. Designing a completely new system to allow for this - free - change won't generate any profit for OOO, but there are (perhaps) considerable expenses associated with designing the new system in the point above.

Expenses + zero profit = no re-spec.

BUT, know what they CAN do? They CAN make the vendor sell the height change FOR FREE for a limited period of time. What's the excuse then? Well, there isn't a good one. They probably just want you to play the game and/or spend money, so they just refuse to do it (profits > customer service). Beside, a simple logistics analysis would probably show that almost no one is going to quit playing the game if they don't give it away for free anyway.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:37

#42

Jacobey

+1 Or, we could have been

Or, we could have been mailed a set of modifier items that bind to user, packaged as some "weird science" that the supply depot has been tinkering with that expire 48h after log in. All of this functionality exists or has been used with items / tokens.

Same thing could have been done with the personal color selection when that was launched.

I disagree with being able to change our starting armor or helmet - we all either knowingly or not - thought what we picked were the best options when we created our characters. A new player today is at the same advantage / disadvantage of not knowing what is cool or will look good with accessories etc.

A little good will goes a long ways. $piral Knight$ is not the game I want to play.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:38

#43

Equillora

I assumed they would at least let us do a eye and height change. Not that I would do a color change even with an option available.

~E=ora

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:44

#44

Thimol

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[Asukulan]

Thread ruined.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 13:47

#45

Datareaper

Everyone who had a character

Everyone who had a character made before this patch should get a voucher to allow a re customization at least once.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:05

#46

Yvanblo

I Agree

+1
Current Knights should get a one time upgrade option, at no cost, that is the same as you get when creating a new character. Extra small/large or any other special modifiers would still only be available in mirrored lockboxes.

Signed,
Yvanblo

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:13

#47

Pteprocks

I sign. I may not use this, but why not support it so others can?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:13

#48

Link-Kd

I agree with Jacobey

Players that already have characters should:

- be able to change height to short or tall, once
- be able to change eyes to one of those 3 options in character creation, once
- be able to chose two acessories from those 6 options in character creation, once

for that to be done, there's no need to generate a new interface...this could be done through other methods, like mailing...or some vendor that gives away the items, but have only 1 of each for each player (sorta like Basil has only one of each recipe)

It's pretty unfair that new players now get to change eyes/height and get an acessory for completely free...and us, loyal old players have to pay over 100k crowns to be able to do the same

+1 signing up

For Eyes/Height/Acessories at least

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:22

#49

Coatl

+1 Why should the loyal

+1
Why should the loyal players who have been waiting patiently for new content have to watch the new, starting players have free accessories that would otherwise cost us quite a bit to get ourselves?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 14:30

#50

The-Rawrcake

But dudes its a crown sink

But dudes its a crown sink that old players have to pay for their height / eyes. This is a good thing.

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Updated: "Petition" towards OOO: Let old knights created before this patch redo the character creation. You know what I mean OOO