Spiral Knights - A few Questions, if i may

A few Questions, if i may

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Tue, 05/06/2014 - 02:53

Viconaut

1st, many seem to think obsidian items (in this particular case, the obsidian crusher) are 100% better than their origin items. is this the case or are those people just wrong/misinformed? everyone thinks the crusher does more dmg when in at least a couple places, Including the wiki it clearly says that despite the Dmg bars the obsidian crusher does not match the graviton vortex. if this is the case are their ranges the same? i still want obsidian crusher but ill be making either a new graviton to craft it, or at least a new one after changing my graviton into one. (if i can, isn't the event over?) in some of the places i read these things, others were saying the only reason one might think poison on the crusher is useless, and that anyone thinking either of the two items were useless didn't know what they were talking about/didn't understand gameplay mechanics well enough. imo (and probably why some people think anyone worried about what either bombs dmg is, doesn't understand mechanics) they are both not bombs meant to be spammed as a damage dealer. i use them for CC and utility/attack placement with other weapons to amazing effect

2nd is the event that allows the collecting of Obsidian item's token's still going?

3rd, does difficulty (normal, adv, elite) effect black kats, or the books drop rate?

4th does THAT MOLD AND BLACK MAGIC's (or other prestige missions) black kats drop books, or even tokens?

thats it for now, cant think of a couple i really wanted to ask as well. but thanks to anyone who reads/responds for their time

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 05:26

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

1 no, the damage is less that their normal counterparts and they haev poison, which may boost their damage but it's still a status.
2 no, shroud of the apocrea is not going now. it will return as the kataclism, don't worry.
3 not to me. it doesn't affect drops, and I didn't find any difference in spawn rate.
4 no, the black kat guaranteed encounters drop nothing. any other BK encountered in the mission does.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 05:46

Bopp

right

You're talking about two different events: Shroud of the Apocrea and Kataclysmic Confrontation. Have you read about them on the wiki? Our wiki isn't perfect, but it really does contain a lot of information.

1. People generally prefer Electron Vortex over Obsidian Crusher over Graviton Vortex.

2. No. Read the wiki page for Shroud of Apocrea.

3. This has been asked in many, many threads, including recently. I have not seen any evidence that difficulty affects drop rates. To learn more, try searching Google for something like "book drop rate site:forums.spiralknights.com".

4. The prestige missions for the Kataclysm contain pre-determined black kats and pre-determined regular kats. The pre-determined black kats do not drop any Ancient Pages. Instead, you get a set number of Ancient Pages for the mission reward (4 for me). As far as I know, they do not drop Books either. However, the regular kats have a chance of spawning as black kats. If that happens, then they drop Ancient Pages, and they probably have a chance of dropping Books too. For example, I've gotten 7 Ancient Pages on a couple of the prestige missions, because one of the regular kats spawned as a black kat.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 10:42

Viconaut

thanks for the responses. @ Bopp. ive read a lot on the wiki before asking, though as you said it can be unreliable on occasion and as for using the forum via google to get an answer, its kinda the same deal. i just wanted to get a couple more opinions from a direct question, and again thank you both for them. i looked into quite a few forum posts but i tend to find multiple answers and or different people swearing by their responses while others with an opposite response/opinion also swear by theirs (ie obsidian crusher doing more dmg than Vortex even though it doesn't) not that it should matter much, anyone shopping for a bread and butter bomb in terms of dmg should move on. IMO there are much better options, these are more useful as tools, not so much something to be the spearhead

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 09:00

Pepperonius

@Viconaut

If i may interject on point 1 here, the point of the obsidian crusher isn't damage, it is to herd the enemies together and give them status. The reason it is better than the Graviton is because of the poison aftereffect, which essentially weakens the enemies for your party members. The bomb's damage itself really is negligible, when it comes down to it.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 09:58

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

The bomb and the sword are both arguably equal to their counterparts. However, the gun is probably better. The Blackhawk and the Obsidian Carbine have the same damage (I think), but one has Gremlin Med and the other has Poison, respectively. However, poison is more valuable vs. gremlins because they heal so much. (Menders attempting to heal poisoned enemy deal damage instead.) Carbine also better against Slimes.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 10:39

Viconaut

@ pebbleready

i feel the same. i have the graviton for utility, not dmg. it is what allows me to land full charged, bulls eye triglav hits on many enemies at once among other very useful things. i believe they are both fine bombs, and would really like to get the crusher. the last comment i made about their damage wasn't intended as my preferred choice of the two, but just a note about how unclear searching for answers on the forums can be. apparently the wiki shows the crushers dmg bar as being larger than the graviton vortex, but also has a note saying its incorrect and that vortex does more straight dmg. so you can find posts defending both as the higher dmging regardless of status. that was all i meant, i agree completely and even edited OP a bit to clarify

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