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The Power of the Cobalt Set

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Sun, 05/11/2014 - 18:12
Dandi's picture
Dandi

You probably already heard the cobalt set is the most useless in all game. That is not true. Now I’m gonna show you why you can, and should, make it your first set in game.

First Steps

Once you start you will probably be playing tier 1. Let’s remember all monsters in tier 1, either normal or advanced, deal normal damage, despite the color under his feet when he prepares do attack. And of course the cobalt armor is really good for it.
Let’s say you want to farm some crowns. The very first place to farm is the Snarby Lair. Some people like to go straight to Jelly King, but that is not necessary. Doing Snarb runs you can get 3k+ crowns on a 4 people party. Also, by defeating him you get his tokens, and then you can get your snarby set. They will help you very much, because most enemies will be vulnerable to piercing. So you get the snarby sword to deal piercing damage and kill moar snarbies!!

Another advantage is that the snarbolax lair will give you a basic experience of what you are gonna face all the way down to the core. Puzzles, boxes, etc.

Once you start playing elite, the damage gets specialized. And what damage does the wolvers cause? Piercing. Now, you might want to change your set. But let’s remember that the cobalt armor, shield and helmet provide defense against both Normal AND piercing damage.

So you can just keep them even in elite.

JK Runs

Now let’s say you are over it. You want to start farming JK. You need a jelly set? Not at all!

People tend to think you get all piercing damage from the JK castle but that’s not true. You will get almost the same amount of both, piercing and normal. So you might as well keep your cobalt set.
I dare to say you will need more normal defense, because when the slimes start to stack, they deal more and more normal damage. And also, JK himself deal normal, not piercing. So you might dodge all those gelatins for a while, but you need armor, and mainly a shield, with high normal defense to hold the big guys.

At Last.

Now, as you go down and complete missions, you will need equips more and more specialized. There is no set that will take you in all levels. However, if you want to get to vanguard, you will need two things:

One is a 5* set. Buying recipes for a 5* set and complete the last Hall of Heroes mission will cost you 100k crowns. That’s a lot! However, you get all the recipes for the cobalt set for free!

Second, you will need to farm a lot JK to get items to defeat Vana. You usually farm JK or others to farm Vana later. You don’t farm Vana to farm Vana! So you don’t need to rush into that “Vana Happy-Farming Set”. You might as well keep your Azure armor and look epic as f**k until you get your other sets.

The Cobalt equips won't be your only. Soon you will start crafting several brandishes, you will need shadow defense [just look at our current event!], elemental defense for RT, and so on. But i highly recommend that you use it as far as you can, and even make it your very first 5* set.

Thanks for reading!
=]

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:00
#1
Bopp's picture
Bopp
response

I agree that new players should do a lot of Snarbolax runs, to hone their skills. You're also right that Cobalt armor defends well against the threats in the Snarbolax and Royal Jelly boss levels.

Your estimated payouts of 3,000+ crowns, not including the boss tokens, is too high. The typical payout on Elite is about 2,200 crowns (see here). I have never recorded a payout as high as 3,000 crowns. By the way, party size does not affect mission payouts (except perhaps in special cases --- and Shadow of the Beast does not appear to be one).

You advise knights to make Cobalt their first 5-star armor, simply because the recipes are free. That's true, but recipes are a tiny part of the overall cost of making a complete 5-star item. Orbs and Radiant Fire Crystals account for almost all of the cost. So you are saving very little money by going with Cobalt/Azure Guardian. And the worst part is that you end up with an armor set that you don't really want. This armor will sit unused in your Arsenal, as soon as you get your second, better armor set. Instead of going with Cobalt, spend a little more money to get the armor that you really want, the first time. For example, the Wolver-line armors also protect against normal and piercing, while offering an offensive bonus that eventually makes them some of the most desirable armors in the game.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 19:14
#2
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Legenddestroyer
@Bopp

Agreed. As you all have heard, SK is geared towards offense not defense blablabla...
Azure Guardian doesn't have any offensive bonuses. Worse of all, it doesn't even have any status resistances. Whenever you want to forgo offense, it is almost always for status resist (Diving/Dragonscale etc.). Hence, there is nearly zero reason to use Azure Guardian.
When doing Snarbolax, you could basically use any armor. You don't want to get hit right? Wearing armor that will punish you for getting hit can make your dodging skills better. So why does armor defense matter? Fencing Jacket is better for the dmg bonus.
As Bopp said, you will find a better set and not use Azure Guardian anymore anyway. So why get it?
Finally, you won't actually farm JK to get your 5* set. You'll probably want Shinings, which means T3 farming. JK is not in T3.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 20:35
#3
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Midnight-Dj
IT IS RANTING TIME

Nope, never make Azure noob set, it is the worst 5* armor set in the game, and no, saving 50K cr in recipe will never allow this sorry excuse of a 5* armor to make up for the bonuses it lacked, even grey feather and jelly set doesn't wanna hang out with this piece of garbbage. I am sure the spiral order never gave this to the new recruits knowing how bad this armor is (this thing might have just cost them the morai war.

And yes, Morai Emperor Dues Aradama agrees that Azure guardian armor is uesless

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 21:07
#4
Cinoa's picture
Cinoa
@Midnight-Dj

The reason the Alpha Squad failed was probably because they had the cobalt line equipped.

Sun, 05/11/2014 - 23:36
#5
Altmetal's picture
Altmetal
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@ Dandi: IT IS USELESS! I'd rather go in ancient or in royal jelly only cuz they have resistances. Everybody knows that the azure is worth #&@&. Nuff said.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 00:26
#6
Dandi's picture
Dandi
@Bopp I will collect some

@Bopp

I will collect some data. But just to be sure i made a run and got 2.900.

For the rest of you, i've heard it all. Think whatever you want.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 03:15
#7
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
^

sigh

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 04:00
#8
Welux's picture
Welux
*Random Noises*

The only 2 pieces of gear that you should make from the missions:

1) Valiance

2) Nitronome
The 3 things you should throw in the fireplace as soon as you get them:

1) Cobalt set.

2) Defender.

Getting Wolver is FAR better, as the 2 bosses you're going to be grinding most at that stage deal pierce, and Vog/Skolver is a very good set for newcomers

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 04:34
#9
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

So you pretty much told everyone to chose the inferior cheaper option rather than Wolver, which lets you kill enemies much more quickly, has Freeze resistance (which is far more important than any amount of defense the Cobalt has over Wolver, which is around less than a pip's worth), and needs a bit more effort?

Meanwhile, even Jelly roflstomps this.

Status resistance is always more important that status type if the enemy can inflict a status. It's unfortunate many monsters will be inflicting statuses, especially in Tier 3.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 04:50
#10
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
:/

I think we are better off ignoring this thread, all Dandi has to argue is that 'Azure look good' and 'Azure makes you git gud due to how weak it its and no, Azure guardian is horrible against lumber and trolljans, I think you guys already know why. He needs come up with much better arguement than that he wants to convince ppl that Azure is good, and as always, get wolver if you don't wanna end up been impaled by this guy.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 07:05
#11
Bopp's picture
Bopp
Dandi

Dandi, I encourage you to collect data on your Snarbolax payouts. Please also take screenshots. Your observations disagree with a sizable (35 Snarbolax runs), carefully collected, well-respected data set. But perhaps the game rewards different players differently. If that's true, it would be great to know.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 13:09
#12
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Shadowstarkirby
Can't let you do that, Dandi...

"It looks awesome."

Completely subjective and hardly a reason to make it your utility set when you have costume slots. Just get Wolver to use as armor and use Cobalt as your costume, then you get to look good and feel good as you have good resist or offense buffs.

"It's cheap; close to free."

Good example of "You get what you pay for." You're basically given garbage and you're choosing polish it 3 times over for nothing but a less good Jelly set, and Jelly is considered bad as well. The amount you're saving crafting over just buying the recipes of a better set is negligible over the course of your career. If you put forth effort on your own part and get recipes, you'll find that the outcome at the end of the day will greatly reward you more than this set. Besides, even if you do make this set alone to 5*, you're of course going to make more sets, and because Cobalt in particular is the most useless set of them all, you'll never wear it as armor again, especially if you get any other piercing set. If someone doesn't like how Cobalt at this point, then it's nothing more than a paperweight; a waste of crowns.

"For the rest of you, I've heard it all. Think whatever you want."

We will, thanks. If you've "heard it all" then you know that you're wrong thinking that this set is worth a damn as anything more than a costume. If you're going to make an argument, don't pull the, "I know, but I don't care" card; that's a fast way for people to know not take you seriously.

Speaking of another problem that comes with Cobalt is the discrimination you get with it when you hop into a T3 run with it as people assume you don't do a sliver of research and just upgrade anything given to you regardless of how it works or what it does. Expect kicks in FSC, whether it's a costume or not...

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 07:50
#13
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Shadowstarkirby
Fug

Daburo postu, desu ne asidfnpauifnpaid.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 07:45
#14
Bamzalot's picture
Bamzalot
The Cobalt Line

Yep, sorry buddy but this armor set really isn't that great. You know why the recipes for it are free? Because it's suppose to be that bad armor set for people who just want to rush the game.

True, it does serve a good purpose defensively at the RJP and GWW, but seeing a Mighty Cobalt user run the IMF on elite mode makes me want to cry.

I see the Azure Guardian set to be more of a "Hero" set. The kind of armor you should only use seriously if you are so amazingly professional at this game that you can rolfstomp a Titan Plate user with a Sudaruska, out damage a Chaos user with an Iron Slug, switch shot quicker than a Nameless user, kill a slime using a Rigadoon faster than a Skolver with a Acheron, and bomb better than a Volcanic user.

Without any bonuses.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 07:49
#15
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Dibsville

I'm going to echo Bopp here and say that I'd love to see some payout data. I personally farmed Snarbolax from Defender Elite -> Vanguard simply because it had the highest payout/time ratio, and I personally only got ~2k crowns per every run, not including tokens.

"even grey feather and jelly set doesn't wanna hang out with this piece of garbbage."

But Grey Feather is good if you don't already have Vog Cub and Seerus/Merc Demo. ;~;

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:36
#16
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

If you're amazing at the game, then this is actually the best armor to craft starting out. No one said anything about heating it when its at 5* OR using Aegis period...

Consider:

Cobalt Line -> 5* cobalt
Swifstrike Buckler as "actual shield" (cobalt shield as fake get-me-into-t3 shield)

Autogun -> Blitz Needle (Use fire crystals on ASAP)
Brandish -> Voltedge or Glacius or Combuster

Seraphynx@Health boost

Costume:
Regal Flak Jacket
Regal Field Cap
(This is used to convince other players in FSC that you know what you're doing; i.e. Swiftstrike + blitz = "MUST BE PRO!"... Cobalt line = "Nub.")

You should be able to kill everything with this even if poorly, and advance quickly to T3 with few if any problems and next to no grinding. Of course, you're going to have to be pretty good at the game, so it would be a terrible plan for anyone that isn't just magically gods gift to Spiral Knights.

This would let you farm vanaduke in T3 asap, as farming other levels isn't as predictable, easy, OR established among other players which you will be relying on. The point of this would be to skip farming the jelly king, snarbolax, roarmulus twins, and pretty much every other facet of the game that could possibly help you learn how to play, and go straight for making the most of your money etc.

After you're set up with this, then you're free to go for normal items that don't suck, so that you can move on to farming bigger and better things that actually have a decent payout and are actually fun, like danger rooms and arenas.

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Please, new players. Don't actually do this. Every time I've seen someone legitimately new to the game (i.e. not Bopp on an alt) trying to pull this off its painful and they're all dying everywhere and it makes me let out a nice long sigh of "GRAND. Another one."

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:41
#17
Dandi's picture
Dandi
About the snarby data, i know

About the snarby data, i know now why the discrepancy. When people do "boss runs" they simply start the mission and play the three levels. But i always start on the tier and then go down to the boss. Thus the difference =]

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 16:50
#18
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville
"But i always start on the

"But i always start on the tier and then go down to the boss. Thus the difference =]"

That doesn't change the fact that Snarbolax pays out around 2000 Crowns per run. What you're implying is a T1 run which, while possibly including Snarbolax, is different. There's also discrepancies in a full T1 run, like having Deconstruction Zones vs Aurora Isles. Getting 3k per Snarbolax gate now does not mean you will still get 3k per Snarbolax gate later.

Mon, 05/12/2014 - 17:03
#19
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Sandwich-Potato

What Dibs said, but with more sarcastic snark and a subtle reference to perogies.

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