Spiral Knights - Fang of Vog

Fang of Vog

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Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:01

Coreonn

We all know it, wether it is in our arsenal or not. Probably the hardest sword to obtain in the game, the thing that makes new players' mouths fall open.

But there are a number of reasons why people don't use this beauty, the most notable being the speed.

It is noted as having the same speed as your regular 3-swing sword, but is actually way slower. And why is that? Why doesn't it have the same speed? Was it a typo? And if so, what was the typo, the bar or the actual speed? If it was intentional that it was slower, why give it the same speed-bar?

WHY??

If it was a typo, they probably could have edited this a while ago right?

I have the feeling that you either have it deal more damage than a regular elemental brandish swing and have it slower OR make it have the same speed and damage as a regular elemental brandish swing.
But at least fix the speed bar.
(Tell me if this should be in suggestions)

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:10

Flowchart

the bar is incorrect then. It's much slower than other 3 swing swords.
A lot of the speed bars are inconsistent, unfortunately. They might be set manually and not have anything to do with the actual speed.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:16

Coreonn

If they were have to be set manually

If you're right and they have to be set manually (which is probably the case), the people who set the bar know that it is slower and could easily remove a couple of blocks of the bar.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:41

Bopp

well-known

It is well-known that Fang of Vog is slower than other three-stroke swords. For example see data here, or examine my sword guide. It is also well-known that the speed bars lie. The most egregious example is Gran Faust, which is no faster than Divine Avenger in regular attacks, and much slower in charge attacks.

I view Fang of Vog as a highly specialized weapon, useful only for its charge, which is devastating. Its regular attacks are helped somewhat, but not enough, by their ability to inflict fire. (Combuster's regular attacks don't inflict fire.)

By the way, in this game, boss reward items are not always better than non-boss items. Most of the Shadow Lair armors are bad. The Ancient armor is bad. Argent and Sentenza are weak. On the other hand, Divine Avenger and Gran Faust are pretty good, the Roarmulus items are good, the Snarbolax items are great, and the OCH items are great.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:53

Dragon-Mute

damage

Ive tested this with my lvl 10 no uv glacius vs lvl 9 undead low construct med FoV and not only is the FoV slower but it deals just a little less damage even with a medium uv (tested on same puppy first stroke multiple times)
on a solo elite the charge while unboosted in terms of damage even onehit a trojan though (t3 but not sure which depthh

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 14:17

Coreonn

Fire

Could it be possible that the lesser speed is there to balance the fire that regular attacks deal?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 16:58

Bopp

yes

You can stop testing. All of this is extremely well-documented. We have detailed speed tables at most levels of ASI. We have detailed damage tables at depths 19 and 24 (and many other depths, although some of those are interpolated).

I don't know why the speed difference exists. The self-fire is enough to balance the awesome power of the charge attack. If the regular attacks were Brandish-fast, I would use Fang of Vog more.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:40

Holy-Nightmare

It is still fun to use,

It is still fun to use, regardless.

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