Mhmok is a really good striker gunner too. Other than the ones already mentioned, the only notable gunner I can think of is Dutch Oven, who plays Guardian. Sadly, LD doesn't have that many high tier gunslingers because pretty much everyone is a generic striker who just pulls out their gun loadout every once in a while and just switch shoot some alchemers with no creativity at all.

In that sense, anyone who uses guns along with their swords don't count as swords(wo)men. I think the primarily determining factor is which weapon is the primary. In the case of Mhmok, it's guns. In most people's cases, it's a sword and that's what makes them swords(wo)men, even though they carry guns.

Maybe so. Haven't seen him play in quite a while, really.

Wasn't Dr-Bugos the guy that had 0.1% hit rate?

mhmok used to play gun only and actually he was better than he is now.
we clearly can consider him as a gunner, a excellent one let alone!

Most of the "pro" gunners have highly UVed stuff, enough HP trinks to stop a train, and BKC/Shadowsun
...are you trying to imply something from that?

Not saying that you're one of those kinds of people (hey, take it as just me ranting if not), but I have a huge annoyance for people who think that having good gear like some kind of significant handicap that, without those UVs/defense, they wouldn't be good players. It turns into an excuse to downplay someone else's win, the same as when people just accuse people of AT when they get hit more than twice in a row.

It's a naive mindset that people adopt when they don't want to admit the weight of skill (and has also lead to things like certain players wasting all their money and selling gear to roll a great UV on a single "OP" weapon, just to finally get it and have barely any benefit). To make the air around LD better (and to avoid having any more unfortunate victims like that), I'm against that mentality.

It's usually the opposite though: good players get good gear for stat optimization for their playstyles, and they're prepared to make use of those optimizations.

- max ASI and doesn't necessarily mean you can use it well (need to be able to control your movement and aim)
- max damage doesn't mean anything if you can't hit (need to be able to control your movement and aim)
- more health without good offensive skill only means you feed more damage when you die (need to be able to control your movement and aim)

See the theme? If you have movement, you can avoid hits or follow up on your own. If you have good aim (as a gunner), you can prevent yourself from getting hit by melee attacks, on top of the usual offensive implications.

Adding ASI means you have safer options, adding damage means you waste less time on your interactions, and more health just means you can survive more sneak attacks.

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Also, and more related to the thread, is mhmok an EU player? I've never seen the name until this thread.

Blueflood was pretty solid before he liquidated his arsenal and retired. Not to mention he was chill. Miss the dude.
Blazgunner is a pretty viable threat as a gunner, though I wouldn't go as far as to say he's the best of the best.
As much as I dislike Alchemer Switching, Serian is a force to be reckoned with, and I've thrown a mild swear or two at my screen when I got status-locked.

I'd like to try my hand at gunning, I have loads of fun with my Biohazard and Valiance. Problem is, my control setup isn't too Gunner-Friendly. I suppose with some practice, a Touchpad or Arrow-Keys isn't that bad, but ultimately the Mouse/Gamepad will forever be superior.

As much as I dislike Alchemer Switching, Serian is a force to be reckoned with, and I've thrown a mild swear or two at my screen when I got status-locked.

Just a note for newer recon gunners (because as cute as it is, it's kind of annoying when I realize they only have alchemers equipped), but I don't just use alchemers. I mean, in the general case where I want to cap/get on with whatever goal I'm going for, unlimited hatedriver (storm driver) will erase people with speed and lethality thanks to ASI/invinciframe destruction, but for people who have especially good footwork (those higher level strikers who seem to move faster than latency) and gunners, I use doubleswitched (aka single-weapon switching) Valiance - it's currently one of the best 1-on-1 weapons we have.

And yeah, I've only met a handful of players who use the same switch tech that I do so I've only gotten a glimpse of the frustration but hey, people will say what they will when they die but when you're using recon, you want to make your appearances count - if a status will help you kill quicker and move on to your next target / back to capping or keep you from getting hit, then go with it.

My philosophy with Recon (well, honestly, it's my philosophy in any competitive situation) is that, with exception of latency issues, it's always your own fault if you get hit - and especially so if you have a weapon with better range (unless you're just straight up outnumbered... lol - but then again it's your own fault for sitting in that situation!). The closer you get to "perfection", the better you can prevent yourself from getting touched by melee players, yes?

I'd like to try my hand at gunning, I have loads of fun with my Biohazard and Valiance. Problem is, my control setup isn't too Gunner-Friendly. I suppose with some practice, a Touchpad or Arrow-Keys isn't that bad, but ultimately the Mouse/Gamepad will forever be superior.

You can pull it off with Touchpad, for sure. I was a laptop-touchpad player in some crazy third-person normal-speed-bullet-dodging action game called GunZ forever ago so if that's possible, top-down SK should be possible too haha. Just of note, my performance did increase a ton when I actually did get a mouse, so yeah, you might not be the best you can be, but good enough to not suck :)

Arrow-keys might lock you into some directions, but with the right footwork, you can probably pull it off with that as well. Good luck!