Spiral Knights - Zeddy is not currenly hiring science lackeys: You did all of the science you guise!

Zeddy is not currenly hiring science lackeys: You did all of the science you guise!

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Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:31

Zeddy

There was a time when I had more time than I had money. That was when I racked up the majority of my nearly 3000 hours on this game.

I don't anymore, but I've still got science to do, and I will pay YOU to do it for me!

Basically I want you to go to depths deep in arcade and set things on fire for me. I will pay you CE for each number that has not been gathered yet.

This is first come first serve. If someone else submits the number in this topic before you do, they'll get the CE. Act fast!

Here's the spreadsheet I'm working with. (Scroll down) You can work out all the relations there yourself, and you can see which enemies have the same fire resistance as the ones I mention many places, such as the damage table for minor fire.

When you submit your number, please state the exact source of fire you used (and star rating) as well as the exact enemy. Also include a screenshot of the damage number itself.

None left!

If you were to gather all of these numbers, I would owe you

Depth 3: 200 CE
Depth 7: 1000 CE
Depth 12: 1200 CE
Depth 14: 100 CE
Depth 17: 3000 CE
Depth 22: 2250 CE
Depth 24: 200 CE
Depth 28: 4200 CE

Total: 12150 CE

Data points gathered: All of them! You did all of the science! You guys are great!
CE Remaining: 0/12150

Thanks, and happy science!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:06

Turn-Me-On

Cool idea. How will you know

Cool idea. How will you know if someone is faking information for your energy?

Careful who you hand out your hard earned energy to, some lowlife will undoubtedly scam for money.

Might I recommend putting the data in video proof format as a requirement?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:37

Zeddy

Not everyone can readily record videos, so it'd severely limit the amount of people who could do this.

Perhaps screenshots? We'll say screenshots.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:37

Vaked

Nice event!

Not sure I will have the time/effort to do this, but a few questions.
1) Does it matter what difficulty you are on?
2) Can Drakon's skills be ultimate? Also can't you use skill points to make Drakon's fire stronger? Or does it not matter as long as you specify?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:54

Zeddy

@Tactle-Neck

The difficulty has no bearing, but for your own sake I would put it on the highest you can manage because enemies with a lot of health are easier to gather numbers from.
For drakon, I will need the fire strength for each ability maxed, but ultimates do not matter. However, your Drakon can be Tier 1 or Tier 2 as long as the fire strength is maxed.
If you submit a number for a skill with less points, state the amount of points and I will pay 10 CE as long as I do not already have the number. You can use a Firebolt with 2 points in it to submit for moderate fire.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 10:30

The-Pecan

Sounds complicated

Sounds complicated
-Patrick Star

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 11:57

Arelic

I am out. Good luck to everyone else!

While I would love to participate in this...

My hold-ups:

I need two items of the same ranking and heat level that both generate the same magnitude of fire and different methods of pure damage.

As it stands, I have neither the time nor the resources within my arsenal to arrange the aforementioned conditions.

While just about every scenario listed can be found even up to this moment, finding them between clockworks and missions takes time.

Initially when seeking the best source for minor fire damage, I used both my maxed Searing Edge (2*) and my maxed Flamberge (3*) on a Mender, Alpha Wolver, a Polyp, and by chance a Lichen Colony in a Depth 10 arena within the first round. While the Gremlin died before being set ablaze, the remaining Alpha Wolver, Polyp, and Colony were capable of being set ablaze. Each generated different numbers when set ablaze, none of which I recorded because neither that depth nor the enemies were the ones requested.

The beast that had elemental resistance did not receive as much damage from being burned from the elemental/normal damage weapon (Searing Edge) as it did from the piercing weapon (Flamberge). A similar observation was made when burning the slimes; more damage was received from the 2* sword than it was for the 3* sword. Between brief trials, the ranges were about the same with a three to five point difference of which source of fire generated more damage.

Yet I realize that that was far from the best method of seeking a good source of fire because the monster's strengths and weaknesses must be taken into account. Furthermore, I understand that there will be some variability within the results that you receive. For instance, if more than one person gets different numbers from the same type of enemy from maxed weapons without bonuses or unique variants, the measure of damage due to fire may boil down to how they applied it. And because of that, I wonder if you will be taking the first set of numbers applied from burns or if you are making some estimate from this.

Either way, while others may be equipped to tackle the task, at present I am not one of them. Well that and my efforts to complete anything of this sort borders on laziness at present. So to all of you who enter this, best of luck to you and have fun.

PS. I think I would have done this purely for science itself. However the pay is a nice incentive. =]

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:04

Mtax-Forum

Depth 3 - Meteoric Firebolt Vs. Litchen

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:06

Zeddy

@Arelic

Unique variants, heat levels, damage bonuses and anything else should not have any impact at all on the fire damage. Only the strength of fire itself, and the resistance of the enemy. The numbers are supposed to be entirely deterministic, and they have been as far as I've been measuring them.

In addition, I'm not really looking for minor fire. Those numbers are all known.

The difference is weird. Could you hit a T1 and T2 training bag with flamberge and searing edge for me? It shouldn't matter which ones?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:15

Mankeymane

What the Fiend

May I know of which reason is your scientific project?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:21

#10

Zeddy

@Mankeymane

It's just putting fire damage up on the wiki. If this turns out to be a success, I might crowdsource freeze/curse in a similar manner.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:22

#11

Mankeymane

@Zeddy

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:25

#12

Zeddy

@Mtax

CE sent and data requests removed from the original post. Thanks!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:12

#13

Mtax-Forum

Hot stuff

Depth 3 - Magma Driver's fire VS Litchen

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:37

#14

Fehzor

You liked my idea! How sweet of you.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:03

#15

Instant-Noodles

Data from Instant-Noodles & Shmoot

Zombies
D22-Drakon Meteoric Firebolt- 95 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/g2nz7FF.png
D22-Moderate Fire (Magma Driver)- 89 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/dqEz5D8.jpg

Toxigel
D22-Drakon Meteoric Firebolt- 80 Damage (couldn't get screenshot timing right though): http://i.imgur.com/kHyeryx.jpg

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:07

#16

Shmought

Shmoot & Instant-Noodles gathered this data

Slime, d22, moderate fire (magma driver charge): 74 - http://imgur.com/t8m6oRJ
Zombie, d22, moderate fire (magma driver charge): 89 - http://imgur.com/B3OKRXP
Zombie, d22, strong fire (FoV charge): 95 - http://imgur.com/9kCYpiZ

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:09

#17

Iessthan

D12 - Strong (Fireburst Brandish charge) vs Spookat

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:26

#18

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

D22, meteoric firebolt.
glob drops (sorry, had only one shot at this)
gremlin mender
BTW, getting shots from glob drops was a risky job.
EDIT: polyp

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:28

#19

Instant-Noodles

Data from Shmoot and Instant-Noodles

Chroma
D24-Moderate Fire (Magma Driver)- 60 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/FdGq2Kp.jpg

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:39

#20

Lone-Wolver

Depth 12 - Moderate Fire Values

The fire was inflicted with a level 1, non-heated, Firotech Alchemer. I was in an Ice themed level, but I hope that doesn't interfere with monsters weaknesses against fire, except for the Ice Cubes.

D12 - Moderate vs Ice Cubes:

http://i.imgur.com/yGHlHIx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JxFmxeQ.jpg

D12 - Moderate vs Wolvers (Alpha Frostifurs):

http://i.imgur.com/qvPZItI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7iYdmZ5.jpg

D12 - Moderate vs Mechas (Cryo Knights):

http://i.imgur.com/CvG4RJR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/opbSJ44.jpg

D12 - Moderate vs Turrets (Slush Puppy):

http://i.imgur.com/J6jVUbd.jpg

D12 - random screenshot of Moderate vs. Polyps, just because they were there:

http://i.imgur.com/91ILlKW.jpg

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:45

#21

Faceless-Ronin

D14 - Moderate (Firotech Mk II) vs Mecha Knight

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:04

#22

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

W00t I have a lot of fire weapons.

Too bad I can't get on SK right now. I might get lucky...

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:00

#23

Shmought

More from Instant-Noodles and Shmoot

Zombie 28 moderate (Magma driver charge): 112 - http://imgur.com/9ojAZYu
Kat 28 moderate (Magma driver charge): 58 - http://imgur.com/JR1QCYP

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:11

#24

Instant-Noodles

Data from Shmoot & Instant-Noodles

Kats
D28-Moderate Fire (Magma Driver)- 58 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/IUbYLEj.png
D28-Meteroic Firebolt- 62 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/5qlkJcv.png
D28-Backfire Barrier- 53 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/5H29bTV.png
D28-Firestorm- 56 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/BSCnaU4.png

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:11

#25

Zeddy

I've tracked down and handed out payment for all posts up to post #22.

You guys are awesome! I should've done this a long time ago.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:12

#26

Iessthan

D17 - Strong (Fireburst Brandish charge) vs Wolver + Chromalisk

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:18

#27

Iessthan

D17 - Strong (Fireburst Brandish charge) vs Gremlin

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:21

#28

Faceless-Ronin

D17 - Moderate (Firotech Mk II) vs Wolver - Sorry about the other numbers, it's the 39
D17 - Moderate (Firotech Mk II) vs Gremlin

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:22

#29

Instant-Noodles

Data from Instant Noodles

Howitzer
D28-Strong Fire (Combuster)- 89 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/eMBwpZM.png

Kat
D28-Strong Fire (Combuster)- 66 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/oDqUecy.png

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:24

#30

Thunder-The-Bright

D28 howlizer, firebolt

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:28

#31

Faceless-Ronin

D17 - Moderate (Firotech Mk II) vs Lumber

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:28

#32

Zeddy

Rewards sent out as of post #28.

I'll be taking off for now. More rewards to come tomorrow!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:30

#33

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

D28 lumber, firebolt

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 16:02

#34

Lone-Wolver

Depth 17 - Moderate Fire Values

Once again, values obtained with a level 1 Firotech Alchemer.

D17 - Moderate vs Zombies (Drouls):

http://i.imgur.com/INO1QZR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UmT7HWF.jpg

D17 - Moderate vs Fiends (Silkwings) and Kats (Hurkats): (Someone already got it by the time I published the post)

http://i.imgur.com/bUTLCJx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8XKzl8w.jpg

D17 - Moderate vs Lumbers (Vilewoods): (Someone already got it by the time I published the post)

http://i.imgur.com/xgPODpP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t7YzVZG.jpg

EDIT: Added damage against Chromalisks, warned about double information.

D17 - Moderate vs Chromalisk (Tundralisk):

http://i.imgur.com/tuSlzK8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2SzR2sh.jpg

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 16:36

#35

Golfdinger

D12 Giant Lichen Colony

D12 Giant Lichen Colony Moderate w/ lv1 Alchemer (2*)
http://a.pomf.se/celzkg.png
D12 Lichen Moderate w/ lv1 Alchemer (2*)
http://a.pomf.se/wipbvy.png

My data is at odds with Lone-Wolver's for ice jelly/lichen
edit:nevermind. Why is lichen listed with ice cubes for D7 and D17, but not D12?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 16:12

#36

Lone-Wolver

Linchens vs Ice Cubes

@Goldfinger

Giant Linchens have a different resist to fire than the regular linchens, according to the "chart" the OP provided.

Regarding the difference on the Linchens and Ice Cubes... I don't know O_o My guess is that, in your screenshot, two or three linchens had already fused, and thus had a slightly greater defense (Instead of taking the full 40 points, they took 38).

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 16:25

#37

Instant-Noodles

Data from Instant-Noodles & Shmoot

Wolvers
D28-Meteoric Firebolt- 81 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/sTklIqn.jpg

Gremlins
D28-Strong Fire (Combuster)- 66 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/yCWYh9n.jpg

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 16:27

#38

Shmought

Shmoot & Instant-Noodles

Wolver d28 moderate (Magma driver charge): 77 - http://imgur.com/g7THs0n

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 16:52

#39

Krakob

Seeing the community work like this is wonderful! Well done, everyone!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 16:53

#40

Instant-Noodles

Data from Shmoot & Instant-Noodles

Lichen Colonies
D24-Moderate Fire (Magma Driver)- 99 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/J9q5rHx.jpg

Giant Lichen Colonies
D24-Moderate Fire (Magma Driver)- 68 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/3viHqkM.jpg

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:24

#41

Shmought

Shmoot & Instant-Noodles Pyrotechnic Clockworks Investigators

The one you wanted was probably among these...

Lichen d24 moderate (Magma driver charge): 99 - http://imgur.com/wrXsTZi
Lichen Colony d24 moderate (Magma driver charge): 82 - http://imgur.com/Qaq48lN
Giant Lichen Colony d24 moderate (Magma driver charge): 68 - http://imgur.com/XD0QtX2

Edit: I tested multiple instances of each type; it didn't seem to matter whether the monster was new or a few more lichen had joined it -- fire did the same damage for its type each time.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:08

#42

Golfdinger

D17 Zombie Strong (Fang of

D17 Zombie Strong (Fang of Vog lv1 charge): 60 damage
http://a.pomf.se/xujfrw.png the silkwing helped a bunch for my bad luck
http://a.pomf.se/udjgcw.jpg depth got cut out of the top image

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:18

#43

Shmought

Shmoot & Instant-Noodles Clockworks Burnables Data Brokers

Giant Lichen Colony d22 strong (FoV charge): 71 - http://imgur.com/9dCuI2K
Giant Lichen Colony d22 moderate (Magma Driver Charge): 62 - http://imgur.com/mdb2gkM
Gremlin d22 moderate (Magma Driver Charge): 46 - http://imgur.com/pqUbysF
Mecha Knight d22 moderate (Magma Driver Charge): 54 - http://imgur.com/pe1OTaV

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:23

#44

Zyborg

D7-Droul (Poison

D7 - Zombie (Droul) - Moderate (Fang of Vog lv10 normal attack)
D12 - Turret (Basic Howlitzer) - Moderate (Fang of Vog lv10 normal attack)
D24 - Lumber (Vilewood) - Moderate (Fang of Vog lv10 normal attack)

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:07

#45

Instant-Noodles

More Data from Shmoot & Instant-Noodles

Lumber
D28-Meteoric Firebolt-100 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/Ddd3iP1.png
D28-Strong Fire (Combuster)-108 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/fS7X7UD.png

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:16

#46

Shmought

Shmoot & Instant-Noodles Didn't Start the Fire

I didn't see a call for Lumber D28 Moderate, but there's a spot for it on the spreadsheet, so...
Lumber d28 moderate (Magma Driver Charge): 93 - http://imgur.com/ufLxoMZ

also...
Fiend d28 strong (FoV charge): 66 - http://imgur.com/O88ltDn
Fiend d28 moderate (Magma Driver charge): 58 - http://imgur.com/veBdHAB

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:36

#47

Instant-Noodles

Noodles + Shmoot Data

Jelly
D12-Meteoric Firebolt-34 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/b7MJQKV.png
D12-Firestorm-30 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/NX5gcvE.png

Kat
D12-Meteoric Firebolt-21 Damage : http://i.imgur.com/1TgScwE.png
D12-Firestorm-19 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/NX5gcvE.png
D12-Backfire Barrier-18 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/qCVAvJ8.png

Wolver
D12-Moderate Fire (Magma Driver)-26 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/qPp2n6x.png

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:00

#48

Instant-Noodles

More Shmoodles Data

Gremlin
D22-Backfire Barrier-42 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/mfwC960.png
D22-Firestorm-45 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/Bbs3gwv.png

Mecha
D22-Strong Fire (Combuster)-60 Damage: http://i.imgur.com/6Zc51YB.png

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:01

#49

Zyborg

Here are a couple more.D22 -

Here are a couple more.

D22 - Gremlin (Gremlin Choker) - Strong (Fang of Vog lv10 charge) (Here's another picture, in case it matters how well you can see the enemy that's on fire.)
D22 - Mecha Knight (Poison Knight) - Strong (Fang of Vog lv10 charge)

EDIT: I just un-capitalized the word "charge" in the image descriptions/titles, so they would be consistent with the descriptions/titles of the other images I submitted.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:07

#50

Shmought

It Was Always Burning...

More Shmoot & Instant-Noodles data

Mecha Knight d22 strong (FoV charge): 60 - http://imgur.com/wZrtjip
Gremlin d22 strong (FoV charge): 52 - http://imgur.com/e5YCdt5

(Edit: Darn you Zyborg!)

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