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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 08:03
Mczeno's picture
Mczeno

for me it's any catacalyzer series, aswell as the pepperbox series

three rings pls buff the pepperbox series it's so horrible in dishing out damage, though i like the knockback

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 08:06
#1
Crazee-Pi-Forum's picture
Crazee-Pi-Forum
Move over, there's bubble-wrap to be popped!

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Furious_Flamberge

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Fearless_Rigadoon

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 08:08
#2
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Holy-Nightmare
Shards, pbox, toxic needle,

Shards, pbox, toxic needle, BAB or ITD, bombs in general, cutters, winmillion, magnus lines, tortoguns.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 08:59
#3
Mtax-Forum's picture
Mtax-Forum

"three rings pls buff the pepperbox series it's so horrible in dishing out damage, though i like the knockback"

Have you even heard about thing called "Gunner update"?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 09:02
#4
Mczeno's picture
Mczeno
 

no because i was promised like 10+ different guns er something

then i stopped keeping up with it

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 09:10
#5
Mtax-Forum's picture
Mtax-Forum

Well, actually it's going to change few current guns too.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 10:06
#6
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Klipik-Forum

I think the most unpopular weapon is actually CIV, because the absolute worst weapons are used for novelty. Literally the only thing CIV has going for it is looks.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 10:25
#7
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Fehzor

The unpopular weapons are mostly unpopular because they are either worse than another weapon that does the same thing as them, or worse than everything else in general. The only other reason is due to the stigma that the community gives "bad weapons".

Basically-

Shard bombs = largely outclassed by other bombs in general

Winmillion = outclassed by tortoguns; also just bad

Pepperbox = actually incredibly good for a normal weapon, comes across as underwhelming but when used properly is top tier
One shots turrets up close, able to gun mecha knights, deal moderate crowd control, defensive knockback.

Dread Venom = can be used well, but is worse than brandishes in almost every situation.

Wild hunting = worse than DVS in most of its legitimate uses

Triglav/Suda/Leviathan = Actually decent weapons; suffer from being normal

Less than kosher blast bombs = worse than nitronome, as they trade off mobility + charge time for damage + stun; good for bad
They can be made useful in some situations though, but its not worth making an entire 5* item for unknown passage.

Catalyzers = not worth taking the time to learn how to use (except for fun), clashes with others and is generally worse

Sentenza/Graviton = worse than their apocrean counterparts

Cold Iron Vanquisher = Worse than leviathan

Supernova = under-rated due to lockdown glorifying polaris out of proportion

...........I think that's all of them?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 11:00
#8
Klipik-Forum's picture
Klipik-Forum
@Fehz

You forgot that brandish does all of the things you listed for pepperbox, and Supernova is much harder to actually kill things with because of the massive knockback. Also:

Callahan: low damage, not mobile, no knockback

Slug: Worse in every way than Cally, including no stun

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 11:30
#9
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Crazee-Pi-Forum
Move over, there's bubble-wrap to be popped!

No Fehzor, you forgot two others

While others are known for being unpopular, these ones people seem to have straight out forgot they existed completely. I feel these might be one of the most unpopular weapons because of that.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 12:01
#10
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Mtax-Forum

I've got Furious Flamberge. It's fun to use sword, because fire happens often while charging. But I need to use BTB in the same time, because normal damage sucks.
Shard Bomb are not that bad. True bomber always will have one. Though old ones were just better.
Winmilion's only fault is that theres no 5* version of it. It's really fun to use this sword.
Pepperbox, well all I have to say is: Gunner update.
Cutters are OK with asi when fighting on not dangerous missions, but pretty useless in anything else.
Catalyzers also: Gunner Update.
CIV has just no hope, but it looks nice. xd
Supernova is OK enough, because it's knockback + damage for every monster family. This one actually should be more popular.
Callahan and Slug: Gunner update.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 12:34
#11
Straight-Line

Have you even heard about thing called "Gunner update"?

Could also be:

  1. doesn't go on forums
  2. /clears out chat in-game

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 13:48
#12
Thebronzemonsta
What is CIV

What is CIV

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:06
#13
Mczeno's picture
Mczeno
CIV is

cold iron vanquisher

does normal damage like the leviathan but does like undead very high or something

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:13
#14
Mystrian's picture
Mystrian

Unpopular? Proto sword

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:14
#15
Mtax-Forum's picture
Mtax-Forum
^

Proto bomb*
Nobody loves it, even newbies.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:17
#16
Mystrian's picture
Mystrian

I saw proto bombs used in tier 3 compounds (some challenge thing)

The guys amazingly poo

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:48
#17
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
And lets not forget the least

And lets not forget the least used item of all time..... Katnip pouches

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:53
#18
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

@Klipik

Pepperbox has two advantages over the brandishes- normal damage (which makes it one of my favorite guns against wolvers) and a long range normal shot that deals moderate crowd control via lighting random things on fire. This makes it play differently than a brandish would, and while the brandishes might play faster and have the upper hand in many situations, pepperbox can still stand on its own and exist as a perfectly fine choice of weapon.

@Things I forgot

Thanks for the ones I forgot, I just kind of wrote that without looking stuff up quickly...

Callahan/Slug = crap mobility + mediocre damage, but more than that complete reliance on flinch mechanics that are liable to fail.

Rigadoon = Actually decent, as it deals stun which many piercing-weak monsters are weak to. Good when you don't need the damage.

Flamberg = In line with cold iron vanquisher

Plague Needle = Mostly just a downgrade from blitz needle. Is better against crowds w/ healers in theory, but rarely have I seen a spot for it.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:53
#19
Abelisk's picture
Abelisk
6

Anyone mention the grill? Never seen anyone with it.

Edit: Callahan is sort of popular in Lockdown.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:01
#20
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

The grill is a reskin of the pure elemental shard bomb.

Said shard bomb is an OK weapon. It isn't particularly "good" for much, and is basically a worse time investment than would be the "mainstream bombs", dark retribution + dark briar barrage.

Basically:

Undead:

Kats = hard to bomb w/ shards, but shards are actually better. Guns + swords are still nicer in general.
Zombros and the citadel = Dark briar barrage works well against these, and does no knockback.
Legion of Almire crowd = Bombs in general aren't good against the hardest parts of this.

Construct:

Turrets = dark retribution is WAY more effective, regardless of damage types
Retrodes = Crystal bomb knocks them and their lazors about randomly. Dark retribution is safer.
Lumbers = small amounts of knockback are scary; dark rets allows damage at a distance.
And so on.

An elemental dark retribution would be SWELL for bombers.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:23
#21
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
at this moment,

Pepperbox > Brandish on killing Giant Lichen especially with flash charge.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:28
#22
Mczeno's picture
Mczeno
 

pepperbox got potential just underated because ppl are brandish whores

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:21
#23
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Hero-Of-Cheese
Cheese is everywhere!

Pepperbox also deals normal damage, another turn off for people. Normal damage isn't bad, just that it doesn't kill stuff as fast as specialized damage.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:36
#24
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Crazee-Pi-Forum
Move over, there's bubble-wrap to be popped!

I would agree with Holy-Knightmare on the Katnip Pouches, but they aren't weapons

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:44
#25
Glittertind

"An elemental dark retribution would be SWELL for bombers." -Fehzor

That it would...
But I uh think I find DR a boring bomb to be honest. Would rather have a new type of bomb than just an elemental DR (even though I know it might become another useless bomb, and reskinning for an elemental DR would be the safest.)

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:01
#26
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Fehzor

Well yeah but the brandishes are boring swords that are perfect because of how vanilla, boring, easy to master, and powerful they are. They make you strong early on and keep you that way, but leave you wanting for more, and with good reason- other weapons are more interesting and powerful when used correctly. Dark retribution is the same way, or would be if it were standardized in some way and given more options for good damage output.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:55
#27
Mczeno's picture
Mczeno
Fezhor

And with that said only once in a blue moon will you find that perfect party that actually wants to try out new unique things, suchas 4 party Tortofist, or maybe go for a 4 party Biohazard on the Royal Jelly.

~

To other topics, I just want to have fun in the game with other people who have unique weapons, rather than the standard cardboard-cut ones literally everyone has. For instance, I never owned a brandish sword in my Spiral Knights career. I was raised on GFs and DAs I suppose. I just wanna try out new unique stuff with people, but nobody has the same stuff to try out. :(

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:46
#28
Pandafishie's picture
Pandafishie
You light me up inside like the 4th of July ;o

What about the most unpopular armor and shields? (Tier 3, that is)

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 04:28
#29
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy
@Pandafishie

That's all armours except Chaos, Wolver, Demo and Gunslinger.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:09
#30
Pandafishie's picture
Pandafishie

I suppose I'm not apart of that demographic then, as usual.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:17
#31
Mczeno's picture
Mczeno
well you gotta put into fact

well you gotta put into fact that there's a large gap between new players to experienced players to end game players, it rates out at like 5:1:2

and that most of the meta is based on whats popular for literally year upon year

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:16
#32
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
Funny thing, I only have one

Funny thing, I only have one brandish and it is the Apocrean one, rather uncommon not just due to it's difficulty of obtaining but the fact that it isn't as powerful as Acheron. Honestly a 4star Silent Nightblade is almost as powerful as the Obsidian edge.

The Fang of Vog description scares away most people and those that do get one are often turned off by it's slow swing speed.

@ PandaFishie

What Zeddy said but I would leave out demo suits since most just stick with Chaos for bombing.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:21
#33
Pandafishie's picture
Pandafishie

I am very much an experienced player. Lol, just because I don't own up to those sets means that I'm inexperienced. I'm more for defense > power, which many people don't understand.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 11:27
#34
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Noxiousnarwhal
PvE gunner here - The

PvE gunner here - The pepperbox isn't too useful right now, but in the gunner update beta it has been buffed significantly - it may be very useful after the fabled update arrives, so don't sell yours off yet! Plague needle on the other hand, not so much.

Cala and slug are useless now, and remain useless in the gunner update beta - they're just too slow and don't deal enough damage to be practical.

The catalyzer line may be unpopular, but the biohazard is certainly viable in general PvE. The neutralizer, not so much - the supernova does its job better. In anything except beast compounds, the polaris is the better choice anyways. Using a bio + umbra driver swap setup deals slightly more dps than alch swapping between two umbras, and comes with the advantage of having the bio's poison and crowd clearing/positioning charge attack, but at the expense of having a higher skill floor due to the nature of catalyzer charge attacks.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 12:49
#35
Neinhart's picture
Neinhart
@Noxiousnarwhal

Cala and slug are useless now, and remain useless in the gunner update beta - they're just too slow and don't deal enough damage to be practical.

You didn't bother charging them, did you? Because speed is not the selling point of either gun regardless of game version.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:10
#36
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
@ NoxiousNarwhalThe Callahan

@ NoxiousNarwhal

The Callahan makes for a good Devilte killing gun if you are patient enough to space your shots it can shut down even overtimers and is so fast they have trouble dodging the bullets. It isn't as powerful as a flourish but it comes with the nice benefit of range which allows more time to shield.

The Iron slug is good for taking advantage of "flinchable" moments, for example when a Slag uses it's breath attack the bullet is fast enough to make for an almost instant reaction, and considering that it is normal damage nothing can resist it. It is faster than a valiance and hits harder, (with a single bullet) (not much use but I'm trying to see the good in it)

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