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Why the gunner update is not ready.

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Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:14
Abelisk's picture
Abelisk

Why is the gunner update not ready? This seems to be the question everyone is asking. Here is why it's not ready yet.

When Three Rings began to release the gunner update public onto the testing server, someone told OOO the guns were way too powerful. The guns were clearly going to be the only weapons players would use. The shadow variant of Needle Shot completely tore Jelly King into pieces. Having different variants of Valiance like elemental, shadow, and normal flavors provide to be extremely exploiting.

They realized bombs turned into trash.

With all of the guns going live, OOO knew there would be a severe imbalance. OOO knew Spiral Knights would be utterly broken.

We're driving OOO insane. We've waited too long for the gunner update. OOO knows that if all they release is going to be new guns and armor/hats, we will be terribly, terribly disappointed. I won't be disappointed however because:

+There will be more good updates instead of OOO crunching badly on one good update.

+Less promotions.

+There will be a more stable energy market with clean high-to-low prices like there was before.

+An increased amount of daily players.

+No more gunner update wait complaints.

+OOO can start on bomber and sword update together, not separately... so they could make sure everything will be balanced.

+Everyone rejoices.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:30
#1
Sonosuke's picture
Sonosuke
(~O ,O)~ #Sonosuks

No one needs a Sword Update, simple as that. We could use a Bomber Update though.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 21:59
#2
Poothis's picture
Poothis
Claps

That optimism +1

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:53
#3
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

you, sir, are very optimistic. too much optimistic even.
if you really think there won't be complaints about the wait we suffered, you are totally wrong.
if you think there will be less promos, well, that's entierly up to OOO and how long they want to work on something before releasing it.

+There will be a more stable energy market with clean high-to-low prices like there was before.

+An increased amount of daily players.

how do you
ah, nevermind.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:55
#4
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
@Sono

I think we still need to buff leviathan blade, cutter line and the troika line, normal swords are still very under-appreciated.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 00:22
#5
Subsequent-Support's picture
Subsequent-Support
Spoilers

Am I the only one that noticed he threw a bunch of spoilers in there. I mean, not everyone has Spiral Spy and not everyone has played on the testing servers to know what types of guns there are. Just saying.

P.S. They better fix the Torto Fists with the gunner update. What's wrong? The charge is very underpowered. It stops doing damage if it deals... well, too much damage. Dafuq OOO? Why don't we have this on the Brandish line if we have it on the Torto Fists?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 00:56
#6
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Well, err...

+Less promotions.
HA, no.
Promotions are independent of updates.

Honestly I think Three Rings monitored the test server, figured out damage values that worked, then is going to release new weapon types in the actual gunner update. Think. I'm probably very wrong, but after we all complained and after the indefinite delay Three Rings can really release the gunner update whenever and we'll be happy with it.

I'm just hoping they pull something similar to what they did when they delayed the update a final time, and give us a taste of something else when the update comes out. Arcade redux, mission expansion, something. They were all announced together, so why shouldn't they be released together? At this point at least.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 08:03
#7
Reddas
top laughs

Acheron completely tears "Jelly King" to pieces just as well as the grim repeater does.
Bombs are trash? Do you even use mist bombs, vortex bombs, or DBB? What's wrong with you.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 08:55
#8
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
Supposing the Leviathan blade

Supposing the Leviathan blade and Nitronome got a similar set to the Valiance sister guns I would definitely see them as weapons to get.

Elemental nitronome? Goodbye Scarabs!

Shoot, why not give the entire Cobalt line a choice for every damage type? (I wouldn't mind running around in a shadow resist cobalt set)

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 09:13
#9
Abelisk's picture
Abelisk
6

I'm only stating my opinions as suit. Yes, I am very optimistic because I believe in what I am showing optimism towards is a great influence for what I think will make my life better.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 09:36
#10
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Umm...

(I wouldn't mind running around in a shadow resist cobalt set)
That exists. It's the almirian crusader armor set.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 09:53
#11
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
@ Fangel But it has statuses,

@ Fangel

But it has statuses, and the helm/armor is different.

To be truly Cobalt it can't have status penaly/resists or damage bonuses

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 09:59
#12
Mtax-Forum's picture
Mtax-Forum

"P.S. They better fix the Torto Fists with the gunner update. What's wrong? The charge is very underpowered. It stops doing damage if it deals... well, too much damage. Dafuq OOO? Why don't we have this on the Brandish line if we have it on the Torto Fists?"

Wat. Crystals are not for damaging, but blocking way. If you want damage - Then hit monsters when crystals are dropping to ground (impact damage), NOT after they're already in it.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 10:34
#13
Lagretta's picture
Lagretta
+ 1 @ Poothis

+ 1 @ Poothis

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 11:37
#14
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

An opinion is akin to a preference. E.G. Chocolate is my favorite ice cream flavor.

What you have stated in your post is not an opinion, and SEGA has said none of this. What you have said could very well be the case, but I think that you are just making things up. If we are going to speculate on what SEGA or Three Rings (if they can still be called that) has been doing, then perhaps we should research them first.

For instance, can you tell me what Three Rings of SEGA's main development/project is right now?

@Fangel

Promotions are no longer independent of updates, remember? SEGA requires someone to code (or clean up after the artist's code, apparently) whenever they make brand new weapons for us to unbox.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 11:27
#15
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Gbot-Vtwo
This User,

Approves of this message. +1

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 11:37
#16
Seiran's picture
Seiran

@Fehzor:
Promotions are no longer independent of updates, remember? SEGA requires someone to code (or clean up after the artist's code, apparently) whenever they make brand new weapons for us to unbox.

That's if they create an item with new behavior for the promo.

As far as I'm concerned, the Gunner Update is pretty much bleeding into reality with tortofist + mixmaster. People have said that a feature of test server guns was a smaller walk-speed-reduction on charge and reload, among other things. But these were separate and existed side by side with the original guns.

The gunner update is essentially replacing some of the older guns with new guns: tweaked stats, different projectile behavior.

Aside from replacement, any 'new gun' is part of the gunner update, rolled out in a promo or otherwise.

But yeah, in this case and any similar ones, there is programmer work done towards the promo, but it's not exclusive of the gunner update content AFAIC.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:09
#17
Subsequent-Support's picture
Subsequent-Support
@Mtax-Forum

Yeeeaaah, no. I've never ever seen anyone use the Torto Fists for "blocking way". They just throw it on an enemy and that's it.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 01:50
#18
Jungle-Sword's picture
Jungle-Sword
actually...

I have thought of OP too.
A bomber update? HELL YEAH

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 07:45
#19
Seiran's picture
Seiran
tortofist gaiden

Yeeeaaah, no. I've never ever seen anyone use the Torto Fists for "blocking way". They just throw it on an enemy and that's it.
In PVP, that's the only viable use for Tortofist, really. Make a wall to encourage your opponents to move around it or waste their dodge.

In PVE, with max CTR, you can use it to wall off yourself in a corner (say, arenas) as it blocks or otherwise bumper-damages enemies, but to make most use of it after dropping the charge on enemies is to punch (or use some other weapon) enemies into the spikes.

:V

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 08:02
#20
Autofire's picture
Autofire
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

You guys don't understand. The gunner update will almost definitely have an Iron Slug buff-date. Until that happens, it's probably not all here yet. I do think that they probably are bleeding things into the game.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 10:41
#21
Fangel's picture
Fangel
I want to believe...

Promotions are no longer independent of updates, remember? SEGA requires someone to code (or clean up after the artist's code, apparently) whenever they make brand new weapons for us to unbox.
Unless this code was in the works already, for another update, and they just so happened to decide to try it out beforehand. The fact that we've had a gunner update in the works for a year and everyone seems to think it's all reskins seems like bogus to me. In that whole time, the developers couldn't have toyed around with a boomerang projectile? I'd think they would have at least thought of something like that.

Granted this is mostly just opinion stuff, but the only concrete fact is that we have a new gun now, not that we won't have one in the future or that the code was made specifically for this promotion.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 14:57
#22
Semajc's picture
Semajc
Anniversary

Everyone celebrate, We are approaching the 1 year anniversary of the Gunner update! *cheers*

Sat, 09/06/2014 - 08:41
#23
Firemetal's picture
Firemetal
Dude!

You may not know but.. I think the Gunner Update has a lot more than just guns. I think it has:

-Arsenal Redux!

-Bringing back a lot of old monsters from beta.

-A new boss.

-Some new missions.

Lots more I can't think of! Trust me, there are a lot of things in the gunner update that need work!

Sat, 09/06/2014 - 08:55
#24
Firemetal's picture
Firemetal
Psssst

Don't listen to that useless post I just said lol!

Sat, 09/06/2014 - 11:01
#25
Iron-Dragon-Guild's picture
Iron-Dragon-Guild
uhn hunh

now if only there was a plethera of new levels and monsters to use any new equipment on.. -.-

i mean i know how hard it is to map and tile for new levels..and new monsters..forget about it, impossible right? -.-

i can't be the only one who isn't ecstatic about killing the same things we have been killing forever with just different guns? amiright?

point being: the end-all be-all of most successful dungeon romps lies in constantly adding many and new environments to run through...not a 1 room game with a gazillion weapons to keep destroying it with. talk about a stubborn, stick-to-our-guns about the game's initial vision and throw growth and success out the window, design crew. i guess if you like to stifle potential and settle for 'good enough'...sure bring on the accessories. -.-

criticism is an acquired taste. those who don't enjoy change or feel they are above reproach will hate this dish.

Sat, 09/06/2014 - 10:01
#26
Gbot-Vtwo's picture
Gbot-Vtwo
@Firemetal Lol we

@Firemetal Lol we can't,"Listen." to your comment. And you didn't say the comment you wrote It XD

@Iron ? LOL

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