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Sat, 06/04/2011 - 22:01
w1mark
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Is there any reason why there is no sleep weapons in the game? It is the only status effect that has not been added to a weapon either by charge or regular attack. I personally think it would be interesting. It would be simular to the iceburst brandish in which you can imobilize an enemy from moving.

However, I can see why this could be potentionally be a problem. In the wiki it says sleeping allows the target to regenerate health, which would be counterproductive for a weapon which is supposed to deal damage. If the sleep effect was on a regular attack it could possibly be too overpowered expecially one-on-one as the monster wouldn't be able to both move nor attack. However, these two problems could be fixed if the sleep effect only happened when used with a chargeup attack, as the chargeup attack wouldn't nessarrly require to deal damage and the sleep effect couldn't be spammed.(unless possibly with a party of 4 cycling through their chargeups with UV charge reductions)

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 04:28
#1
Ten_Tacles
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Sleep is extreme when used

Sleep is extreme when used together with poison.
A bomb that sets sleeping gas free would be awesome, but a 2 bomber team, one with that bomb, the other one with poison, could kill (nearly) everything without getting attacked.
They don't move, they don't heal.
Except for constructs and undead.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 16:07
#2
w1mark
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I thought the names that

I thought the names that sword/gun/bomb could have

Sword: MistBlade (deviation of brandish possilby)
Gun: Tranquilizer
Bomb: Sleeping powder bomb

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 00:20
#3
Ten_Tacles
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Yeah, that are pretty good

Yeah, that are pretty good names, just that a sword that sets stuff asleep doesn't really make sense :P

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 17:12
#4
insanephoton
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not sure about a sword but...

I'm not sure about a sword but I do like the idea of a sleep weapon. Perhaps we get them with an update with sleep inflicting monsters? The way I see it sleep would be caused by a liquid or gas like poison.

Sword- most likely Cutter line ( think Vile Striker for poison), so maybe Knightmare Striker upgrading to Dread Knightmare Striker. Alternatively something piercing, but I can't decide between Flourish or Snarblebarb lines. Brandish is more elemental so I'm not sure it fits in.

Gun- Alchemers are an option but, like the Brandish swords , I see them as more elemental and with such a powerful effect a little overpowered. An Autogun/Needler fits well or maybe a Catalyzer?

Bomb- has to be in the Vaporizer/Atomiser line and used something like Shivermist.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 17:27
#5
OverDingle
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The issue with sleep is that

The issue with sleep is that as it stands, it's more or less a better freeze;

Freeze: Can't move until hit
Sleep: Can't move or attack until hit

So a sleep weapon would have to have drawbacks compared to the equivalent freeze weapon, but keeping sleep to vials is working fine.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 17:34
#6
stupysays
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Sleep weapons would have to

Sleep weapons would have to have relatively low damage output and be considered more of a support sword. Which I think given the general state of confusion most sword swingers (myself included) would not take the time to differentiate between sleeping and non sleeping targets. As for it's effectiveness in regards to bosses it won't be an applicable status so the likelihood is that the weapon if it was created would be essentially for novelty sake and fun. As there is too much room for abuse for a weapon that reliably applies sleep, especially in conjunction with a poison user.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 18:47
#7
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Wfawwer
Owlite pillow--->Philoso

Owlite pillow--->Philoso pillow!

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 18:58
#8
stupysays
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wfawwer +1

wfawwer +1

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 06:49
#9
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Goldmaker
*Sleep is a status condition

*Sleep is a status condition that will render the target unresponsive until woken. While asleep, the target will slowly regenerate HP
*slowly regenerate HP

Sleep the royal jelly everytime, MAXIMUS TROLLISH !

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:18
#10
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Xxpapaya
I dont see how.....

Okay so you want some sleep weapons. If you ask me swords and guns shouldn't have the affect, why would you fall asleep by being hit by a sword or bullet, because you stared at it for too long?! I mean the bomb could have some type of gas or something but i don't think there should be a sleep sword or gun and even if there was i doubt monster would fall asleep unless they stared at the incoming sword for too long ,got bored and fell asleep

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 17:05
#11
Murukamag
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Tranquilizer

A gun could shoot some sort of tranquilizer dart and make stuff fall asleep.

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 00:27
#12
ok9080
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So a sleep weapon would have

So a sleep weapon would have to have drawbacks compared to the equivalent freeze weapon, but keeping sleep to vials is working fine. comment perdre du poids rapidement

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:14
#13
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The-Ancient-One
Brilliant!

"Okay so you want some sleep weapons. If you ask me swords and guns shouldn't have the affect, why would you fall asleep by being hit by a sword or bullet, because you stared at it for too long?! I mean the bomb could have some type of gas or something but i don't think there should be a sleep sword or gun and even if there was i doubt monster would fall asleep unless they stared at the incoming sword for too long ,got bored and fell asleep"

YES! We could have a new troika line that swings slower, has higher damage, and puts enemys to sleep out of boredom. The drawback would of course be attacking incredibly slow. If it was done right *cough*cryotech*cough* then there could even be some kind of attribute where it doesn't wake them up.... ITS GONNA BE GREAT GUYS!

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 18:58
#14
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Facejuances
Why wouldn't a sword make you

Why wouldn't a sword make you sleep?
A sword with a strangely posionus edge that induces sleep or a sword that releases a gas that makes you sleep seems possible.
A drawback to balance it should be self sleeping yourself when attacking?

The game need sleep monsters back or else i feel stupid for upgrading a jelly set.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:46
#15
Starlinvf's picture
Starlinvf
It wouldn't need to be a

It wouldn't need to be a sword per say.... blunt force trauma can render most targets unconscious.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 00:49
#16
arasuki
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thats like saying. Here i am

thats like saying. Here i am with a sword. I slice your arm off and you fall asleep. It doesn't make sense.
Though whoever suggested the haze bomb is spot on.
But the thing is, sleep is extemely imba. It is a perma freeze+perma shock(no attacking) except while you heal. Combined with poison and you are basically an open target.
Needless to say, any non-boss would probably die within their sleep if you focused on them.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 05:34
#17
Klipwc's picture
Klipwc
I have no problem with the

I have no problem with the guns, fire darts filled with dangerous amounts of zee core extracts, probably a 5* variant mat of it? Makes targets sleep, think magnus

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 05:35
#18
Klipwc's picture
Klipwc
On a side note, if you are

On a side note, if you are put to sleep do you heal? knights i mean

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 09:08
#19
Starlinvf's picture
Starlinvf
What about a weapon that

What about a weapon that inflicts sleep on your self?

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 17:50
#20
kojiden
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Why would you want sleep when

Why would you want sleep when you can just get freeze?

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