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Mon, 10/13/2014 - 16:50
#101
Krissychu's picture
Krissychu
Goodness, really?

That was AT? Really? Geez, are you all so high on your horse that you've never landed an attack like that before? It happens!

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 17:07
#102
Abelisk's picture
Abelisk
:

Everyone thinks I use AT in Lockdown full-on 100% because I land my comboes well with my Faust and they automatically accuse me! Funny thing is I don't use AT...

Guys stop this AT talk. Studies have been shown that AT simply reconfigures your hitbox over the target, nothing else. Pro of using AT is that your aim is corrected. Con is that you aim in the wrong direction sometimes. I've fought many AT users and have defeated every one of them. It's nothing intrguing and it is not a steroid that can significantly increase your kill rate. It depends on your skill. AT can only lead to a certain point of skill, while no AT can take skill way beyond AT. AT does not improve your power as it only redirects your focus to a fixed point. Sometimes, however, it gives you a fixed point to hit but you'll be too late to hit the enemy. I always predict my aiming point without using AT, whereas AT doesn't let you do that, which is why the maximum skill level for AT users is significantly lower than non-AT users. As for Alucard, he does not deserve to be banned. It's hard to believe players think AT is bad because it supposedly "makes you OP". It's propaganda started by a masonist for others to hitch a ride with the cult. Sad.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 18:33
#103
Ill-Fate-Ill's picture
Ill-Fate-Ill
ಠ_ಠ

I don't see a reason to argue with the judges.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 18:40
#104
Illstate's picture
Illstate
@Nocturne, Yea, maybe because

@Nocturne, Yea, maybe because your not banned from a tournament for something you didnt do

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 18:45
#105
Ill-Fate-Ill's picture
Ill-Fate-Ill
@^

Sorry I don't feel your pain.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 22:12
#106
Lordyasir's picture
Lordyasir
Not really an expert on how

Not really an expert on how to identify AT or so
But you guys can get rid of a lot of fuzz if you give him a rematch
I mean geez,I can't see a single reason why a rematch wasn't decided to be made,it's not like it was some final 1vs1 of a massive world class tourny with fifa's reputation on the line if they take back the results they announced ._.
Or is it that the other party isn't willing to have his match again?

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 02:20
#107
Krakob's picture
Krakob

Relevant.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 02:27
#108
Theirillusion's picture
Theirillusion

@anderson

Is that what Ezho, Remet, Danielflame, Mereke, Sogrtamre (Yes, I mean Stromrage), Jumazo and Zptk(?) say in the New Recruits section to trick noobs into thinking they are even remotely skilled?

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 04:16
#109
Captain-Murica's picture
Captain-Murica

sorry i'm still laughing at the sports couches 😂

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 11:54
#110
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

A message from Feller

This is what happen when you try to make a tournament without auto-target for people that has never play without it. I'm 101% sure that most players will toggle or play with AT all matches.

And I find hilarious that all the people defending Alessio are well known for being AT users, with the exception of Reto, but this kid thinks Hadn doesn't AT, so his opinion on the subject doesn't matter.

I strongly recomend you add a MUST RECORD rule in order to avoid this kind of problems in the future.

Use your phone, configure some record software, there are no excuses to not do it.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 09:03
#111
Tempas's picture
Tempas
@theirillusion I really

@theirillusion
I really laughed when I read that xD Gotta find that thread with the lies.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 09:42
#112
Valtiros's picture
Valtiros
The 1v1 didn't end so Alucard

The 1v1 didn't end so Alucard has never won

> Then, it s 1-0 for alucard.

And I find hilarious that all the people defending Alessio are well known for being AT users, with the exception of Reto, but this kid thinks Hadn doesn't AT, so his opinion on the subject doesn't matter.

> WTF? o_O

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 09:44
#113
Valtiros's picture
Valtiros
Itsmeandersonlol > Then, you

Itsmeandersonlol

> Then, you will explain us please, why do the dmg in random lockdown game SIGNIFICANTLY changes whether the player uses auto aim or not?

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 09:51
#114
Darkcub's picture
Darkcub
After a meeting with judges

After a meeting with judges we decide that Alucard is Eliminated from the tournament by AT

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 10:50
#115
Abelisk's picture
Abelisk
derfiuyterw

Valtiros: Can you prove if any of the players who scored higher damage used AT?

I scored 20k with a 4* Faust alone. I use no trinkets and no AT. My armor isn't heated. Perhaps you've heard of me: Killerhotness.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 11:31
#116
Dragonuity's picture
Dragonuity
lol darkcub I play the exact

lol darkcub I play the exact same way as allessio, without AT, and my aim is a little better than his. You should throw in some wild-cards by popular demand and major upsets halfway through... and give allessio another chance... he can record it, otherwise this tournament loses credibility since if one someone hits within 10 degrees of the center some noob can stop and call AT.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 11:46
#117
Glowupball's picture
Glowupball
Hmmmmm.

Proof here Judges are not logical.

"A message from daddy

This is what happen when you try to make a tournament without auto-target for people that has never play without it. I'm 101% sure that most players will toggle or play with AT all matches.

And I find hilarious that all the people defending Alessio are well known for being AT users, with the exception of Reto, but this kid thinks Hadn doesn't AT, so his opinion on the subject doesn't matter."

- let me translate, "Let's host a tournament even though we dont trust people and think they are going to ruin our fun and come in here with their AT and toggle. I find it hilarious people who are experienced with AT think they know how to identify it; obviously they have no say because once you AT, it stays on forever. All you ATers band together to try and ruin us Non-ATers' good time! *sits next to dAArkcub at the judges table. Us non-ATers know what we are talking about, why do you think we are judging this tournament? Obviously cause we can identify it. Let's ignore all counter arguments that prove we could be wrong."

Good Game, unreasonable tournament is unreasonable. Don't enter (or any future ones) if you don't want these people as judges, end of story. Life lesson for all. Everyone go home. The tournament and life continues onward.

"(insert whatever theirillusion says ever)"

- let me translate, "I hate AT and it shows no skill, I came onto this children's PvE-focused mmo to test mah skeelz!!!!! And I hold grudges against all those who do well and use AT (i keep a list of names!). I shall prove my dominance >:UUU!!!!"

AT makes your aim much better (maybe not on some guns, but swords yes) period, but I thought such arguments were intended for games like LoL (PvP focused) where everybody can rage their hearts out about who is better at a video game and who is worse for using certain game features to their advantage.

I'm not biased (provided I have all the evidence and in this case it seems like it), I'm just out for the truth. IF Alucard was using AT and it was obvious/proven, you can bet your life I'd agree. Even if that meant he pitifully used AT on a guardian with his OP much better gear just to win a tournament match. But the way I see it, it's up in the air and a rematch should be done. The truth is the truth.

inb4someoneincorrectlytriesto"translate"whateverIsayinanattempttoprovetheirpoint

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 12:07
#118
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums
I've been thinking that

I've been thinking that everybody here is a bit slow and I'm going to explain MY method, I don't know and I don't care either about the other judges's method since they didn't have any problem with a 1v1 yet, I just ask their opinion about suspicious stuff.

I guess that you agree, that combo was suspicious, and here is when my method starts working. I won't let them continue if I saw something suspicious because of stuff like:

''OMG you said that I used AT because Muffin-Top lost and he's your guildie.'' ''You're helping Muffin-Top because you don't like Alucard!!!!!!''

No, just no. Muffin-Top could win and Alucard could win, it's the best way I can show that I wasn't helping or irritating anyone. Simple, right?

Once I stop the 1v1, I check the video quickly (This is before leaving the gvg because if it wasn't suspicious it's a waste of time to organize both teams again) If I confirm that something could be AT or Toggle, then you have to be quiet and respect my decision, the 1v1 is stopped and I upload the video in slow motion to let the other judges opine.

Then, we decide if the suspicious hit could be toggle or not, of course we can't be 100% sure, that's why I say could. If we decide that it couldn't be AT, there isn't any problem, they can continue the 1v1, with other judge if they want to. But if we decide that it could be AT/Toggle I choose between believe or not believe on him.

1. How do I believe on someone: He HAD some LD videos showing AT and toggle off BEFORE the 1v1 (And I say HAD because videos AFTER the 1v1 don't f***ing count) or I saw him in RLD without AT. I would let them do a re-match

2. How do I not believe on someone: He hasn't got LD videos showing AT or toggle off and showed how unskilled he is with the stupid AT in RLD/GVG. Insulting the judge because of saying what does he think doesn't help either. I'm sorry but... oh wait I'm not sorry, you don't deserve any re-match, garbage.

I hope you understood the thing and of course all the opinions are welcome if they are just opinions, not ways to insult any guild, If you're going to come here to attract some atention go have sex with your dog, record it, upload and you will attract all the atention you needed.

This post was too nice so I have to call someone garbage, this time the insult goes for Alucard for being an AT noob, good luck to the other participants and don't forget to turn the toggle off.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 11:48
#119
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

@Glowupball Feller isn't a judge and he didn't take part in making this tournament, you should know who is ''daddy'' before jumping in conclusions

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 11:51
#120
Glowupball's picture
Glowupball
Hmmmmm.

You're more reasonable than I thought Bleyken. I think that ends the discussion. Although I question why you said his words I thought you were calling yourself that because you are the judge and sort of the daddy of the tournament or maybe that was your nickname :|

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 11:53
#121
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

@Glowupball His name is Daddy-Feller, I said his words because he is banned in the forums and can't post, I will edit it to prevent more mistakes.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 11:56
#122
Glowupball's picture
Glowupball
:|

Pretty please, won't you let Alucard back in? :|

/e stuffs money into Bleyken's pockets.

. . . . Well it was worth a shot. . .

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 12:03
#123
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

@Glowupball I don't know if he is your friend or not, I don't know either is you really think that it wasn't AT, but we decided that he doesn't deserve a re-match and it can't change. Now that the decision is taken, Alucard can keep being an ATer (I repeat it again, not 100% sure in this tournament) or prove that he can be something else. If he proves that he isn't just a noob I will the first one recognizing it.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 12:06
#124
Glowupball's picture
Glowupball
Hmmmm.

Maybe I just wanted to know who was actually better. And yes I do know him and he does use AT (no clue how often). I just hate to see this situation, no one wins.

Good day. /wave

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 12:29
#125
Abelisk's picture
Abelisk
tcejbyS

I've defeated Alucard in Lockdown lots of times and Alu defeated me numerous times as well. I've defeated AT players numerous times that boast. I've beaten Epic-Legend three times in a row, and beat Ezho enough times as well. Don't know what the fuss is about. AT isn't a steroid-inducing prompt.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 12:53
#126
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

@Itsmeandersonlol Calm down dude, don't hurt us

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 13:12
#127
Krakob's picture
Krakob

Insulting the judge because of saying what does he think doesn't help either. I'm sorry but... oh wait I'm not sorry, you don't deserve any re-match, garbage.

Yeahhhh

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 13:28
#128
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

@Krakob I think that Contri doesn't smoke

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 14:29
#129
Klipik-Forum's picture
Klipik-Forum

I think it's impossible to run a tournament without controversy in this game.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 15:42
#130
Tempas's picture
Tempas
If people don't want to be

If people don't want to be subject to such arguments then record your matches.... Like it's not even hard to do. Just record the game and if the judge or other contestant believes you are using AT then just upload the video and prove them wrong.

"But but, the rules say you don't have to record" - Ye well butthurt people will always complain and well, sometimes those complaints get the type of response which you can't argue unless you can prove it.

tldr : record to be safe.

Also, at the guy saying AT isn't like steroids. Ask the guy's scoring 40-50k damage(ezho, remet etc) to reproduce that w/o it. Bet they couldn't do half.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 16:16
#131
Illstate's picture
Illstate
@ Bleyken, The simple fact

@ Bleyken, The simple fact that you admit you dont know for sure, yet you keep pointing at me saying, "AT". Just goes to show how ridiculous this tournament really is. You guys start this out by saying "Is not NOT necessary to record". Then you accuse me of AT for an angle on my combo, which is just an opinion, and upon closer inspection you failed to recognize the most crucial fundamental in examining such an action (also an opinion). But what really upsets me is that you had the audacity to brand the video of me performing the combo behind a very talented singer/songwriter, singing about AT noobs and expect me not to lash out. Bleyken, your a loser dude.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 16:22
#132
Illstate's picture
Illstate
@ DrDovis not everyone can

@ DrDovis not everyone can record and play comfortably at the same time, common sense, people be broke. Also, I was having trouble finding a suitable software to run at the same time. I will start recording all 1v1s now that I've found one.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 16:22
#133
Illstate's picture
Illstate
@ DrDovis not everyone can

@ DrDovis not everyone can record and play comfortably at the same time, common sense, people be broke. Also, I was having trouble finding a suitable software to run at the same time. I will start recording all 1v1s now that I've found one.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 16:22
#134
Illstate's picture
Illstate
@ DrDovis not everyone can

@ DrDovis not everyone can record and play comfortably at the same time, common sense, people be broke. Also, I was having trouble finding a suitable software to run at the same time. I will start recording all 1v1s now that I've found one.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 18:03
#135
Abelisk's picture
Abelisk
Frenk Drdovis: They use

Frenk

Drdovis: They use incredibly expensive UVs and have exceptional skill. Ezho has damage bonus max and ASI max. He uses Acheron and Brandishes. Even I can score 50k with that with no AT.

I used to always play with AT until I discovered how much flexibility no AT provides aim-wise. I scored my highest damage on my record with a Flourish without AT.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 18:10
#136
Darkcub's picture
Darkcub
Who is Itsmeandersonlol ?

Who is Itsmeandersonlol ?

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 18:27
#137
Teddysmacker's picture
Teddysmacker
...

@Bleyken
I don't mean to be offensive right now, but you should reread the entire thread and picture how OTHER PEOPLE are looking at this.
-Ton of reasons disproving judge decision.
-You don't want to have people come up with, "Bleyken only disapproving rematch for Muffin-Top," while this drama is what it's making it look like.
-One judge calls AT while the others don't have much opinion on this = Automatic disqualification.
-Bleyken's "Alucard for being an AT noob." ~> Indicates biased towards AT users. Whether you said it out of frustration or you truly believe it, this is how other people are seeing this. And some people go crazy when they suspect AT. /me underlines "suspect."
-"Ironic that people supporting Alucard are AT users." THIS IS JUST SOMETHING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID. It literally just makes you LOOK like you think noobs are banding together if they even remotely support Alucard in the slightest increment. This causes tension. Also ~> That's rude to me personally, considering I was one of the biggest people against AT for a really long time, and even now I RARELY use it in RLD and when I do, I blatantly mention it as a warning beforehand. So wow, thanks. People looking at this forum can now brand me as Quote, "AT Noob." for supporting somebody.
-Probably half agreeing with Alucard where you outright branded him an AT Noob through bad choices and words, then call him garbage for insulting you. Kay, so who's just ganna sit there and take being insulted? Not Alucard, that's for sure. "Garbage" used from not seeing this, causing tension.
-Decision is apparently final when the judges do not have much to lose upon giving a REMATCH. You don't have to give Alucard the point.
- Apparently some AT users don't know how to play without it. This is not the case for all AT users, yet from the looks of Bleyken's posts, this is what it LOOKS like he's focused on. For example, look at Darkcub. He's well known for using AT and people brand him a noob and can't do much without it. In my opinion, Darkcub has a lot of movement and footing and can do better than the average player without AT. TO ME, NOT OTHER PEOPLE (Yet, I count as a person reading this), it looks like ~> Darkcub's role as a judge and his existence is a counterexample of your argument.

Once again, MOST of the above isn't my own personal opinion, just the part where I feel crudely insulted and the last part. This is just what the viewpoint looks like from average forum readers and posters right now.

I apologize if this post upsets you and if this is frustrating, Bleyken, but you have to look at this based on what's being said. This forum right now alone is creating bad publicity for the judges, the competition, and especially you. Make sure your next step doesn't make it look even worse than it already is, because I don't want this more overly blown than it is now because I don't feel like coming back to forums to look at this out of sheer curiosity, wasting my time more on Alucard's disqualification. Sure, it's important and my own friendship with Alucard makes we want to get involved, but I honestly DON'T want to get involved even though I'm posting this now.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 23:13
#138
Captain-Murica's picture
Captain-Murica

sorry what? i couldn't hear ya'll cause i was chill'n on ma sports couch yo 😂

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 23:26
#139
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums
@Alucard

The simple fact that you admit you dont know for sure, yet you keep pointing at me saying, "AT". Just goes to show how ridiculous this tournament really is

And what can I say? I can't see your ***** screen. Stop crying like a 5 year-old-kid

But what really upsets me is that you had the audacity to brand the video of me performing the combo behind a very talented singer/songwriter, singing about AT noobs and expect me not to lash out. Bleyken, your a loser dude

How can I be a loser because of that?

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 00:36
#140
Captain-Murica's picture
Captain-Murica

Quite frankly, that was pretty mean of you Bley-kun to make another "Friday" video over some hot fudge moves from sexy Allessio.

But, you know what? I don't blame you. I blame Allessio for joining this tourney to even begin with. The judge's names (especially you, bley), should have raised red flags, because clowns are the pegs on which the circus is hung!

Good luck with the rest of the show. You folks never disappoint me in the entertainment sector of SK 😂

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 02:39
#141
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

I'd put that song for all the AT users, not only Alucard. The song goes beyond the tournament, everybody knows about how is Alucard in rld. But I still don't get why does it make me a loser, even if I look like a clown or not, I don't regret. When I look at an AT user I just see a non-skilled person, but when they think they are pro players the non-skilled people become garbage.

So the people isn't wrong, I might look like a clown, but a 101% sure about himself clown.

@Teddy -"Ironic that people supporting Alucard are AT users." THIS IS JUST SOMETHING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID. It literally just makes you LOOK like you think noobs are banding together if they even remotely support Alucard in the slightest increment. This causes tension

I didn't say that, you're the one who should re-read the part which says A message from Feller

-Probably half agreeing with Alucard where you outright branded him an AT Noob through bad choices and words, then call him garbage for insulting you

I have never said that Alucard insulted me, again, re-read the post.

(Yet, I count as a person reading this), it looks like ~> Darkcub's role as a judge and his existence is a counterexample of your argument.

I didn't choose to be a judge, they just needed judges, I personally think that Darkcub was pretty good when he wasn't an AT user, but he is actually a noob, and being a guildie doesn't mean that I won't say he's unskilled, because he is unskilled if he uses AT or toggle.

This isn't frustrating for me, I don't feel insulted, there are many different opinions

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 03:21
#142
Sowy's picture
Sowy
All i'm going to say is rofl

All i'm going to say is rofl you people still at it hahaha some of you just never grow up.

Part 2: Is due to this being brought to my attention I kyoshiro-xz will probs host my own damn tournament and no i will not care or whine if u wanna use AT or not early planning is in development as i will try to earn some funds for some winners but yep, will need help for those who wish to assist.
For those who do wish to help simply mail me and state why and don't worry if you're not "pro" will not hurt your chances of being a judge at all

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 04:49
#143
Illstate's picture
Illstate
@Bleyken, Your a loser

@Bleyken, Your a loser because you point at me saying AT, then you go back and say your not 100% sure, then you say AT. My conclusion is your a loser. You think you and your group of friends are the only people that don't use AT. You think what I did was impossible without AT, so not only are you a loser, your a simple minded fool as well. Keep the insults coming. I can go all day.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 04:50
#144
Illstate's picture
Illstate
Oh, and who gives a flying

Oh, and who gives a flying f*** what Daddy-feller has to say? lol I dont.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 05:51
#145
Bleyken-Forums's picture
Bleyken-Forums

@Alucard-Xz Your a loser because you point at me saying AT, then you go back and say your not 100% sure, then you say AT

I said, that in the tournament, we weren't 100% sure, but in RLD I could bet my neck, you AT, AT and AT. If you have any problem with your reading just re-read again until you realize, ty. http://i.imgur.com/jg8xASb.png I guess you won't realise even reading it since you're a bit slow, but don't worry.

Every time I read your posts I see a 5 year-old-kid crying. If you have some people who help you don't make them look like idiots defending a baby. You can keep calling me a loser if that makes you happy, I don't really care.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 05:39
#146
Bleyken's picture
Bleyken

Estetoscopio

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 08:46
#147
Dutch-Oven's picture
Dutch-Oven
~

Another tournament thread turns into AT jibberjabber.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 09:12
#148
Whimsicality's picture
Whimsicality

How many people are going to honor the rules if the rules have no way of being enforced? Likewise, why not just accuse the winner of the final round of breaking the rules and get some of your friends in on the accusation bandwagon?

So long as it's impossible to disable certain features via customizable lobbies, "competitive" Lockdown tournaments like this are a joke with no punch line.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 14:07
#149
Valtiros's picture
Valtiros
"1. How do I believe on

"1. How do I believe on someone: He HAD some LD videos showing AT and toggle off BEFORE the 1v1 (And I say HAD because videos AFTER the 1v1 don't f***ing count) or I saw him in RLD without AT. I would let them do a re-match"

This is exactly where the problem is. you are a judge, you have to be impartial. you must judge everyone in the same way , regardless their fame, their past or anything that is not in the tourney itself.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 14:07
#150
Valtiros's picture
Valtiros
"1. How do I believe on

"1. How do I believe on someone: He HAD some LD videos showing AT and toggle off BEFORE the 1v1 (And I say HAD because videos AFTER the 1v1 don't f***ing count) or I saw him in RLD without AT. I would let them do a re-match"

This is exactly where the problem is. you are a judge, you have to be impartial. you must judge everyone in the same way , regardless their fame, their past or anything that is not in the tourney itself.

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