Spiral Knights - Bombastic set... could it be for you?

Bombastic set... could it be for you?

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Thu, 10/09/2014 - 06:45

Holy-Nightmare

Lets face it bombs will always be viewed as support and not real damage weapons. With this set however all your bombs will deal much more damage, plus you will have a very nice defenses. This set is not intended for haze bombs or vortex bombs as much as other bombs such as Blast bombs (Nitro, BAB, ITD, DBB), Shard bombs, and Dark Retribution.

There are downsides though, you don't have any CTR perks on this armor, but thanks to the CTR Med from LVL 10 weapons plus the Bomb Focus Pet Perk you can still get up to VH damage and VH CTR on an untrinketed/non UVed set.

I would not recommend this set for newer player but rather those that have the right items, these include Maxed out Sprites, Bomb related Trinkets, CTR UVed bombs, and LVL 10 bombs.

With the right items this set can become a dangerous threat to enemies, there is one other problem though, most of the bombs that are most viable with this set come with knockback leaving you down to 2 party friendly bombs (and even then you may get complaints from the loss of vision your bombs create).

This set stacks up to be an excellent, defensive, pro gamer's, solo bombing set, if you actually prefer team support though you may want to grab volcanic demo as it can setup support bombs fast without too much investment.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:44

Dead-Bard

Git gud and git mad

Git gud and git mad bombah.

Jokes aside, all bomber sets are, simply put, terrible choices, even for a bomber.
Not because they're bad but rather because they're heavily outclassed by a lot of other, general, sets, except for maybe the volcanic demo set.

Bombastic, mad bomber, hell even kat hiss set would all need a nice buff aswell as an option to deactivate/reduce the visual effects of bombs so you won't bother your party mates as much, but I guess we'll never see this cos bombers get no love.

Mercurial Demo would be really nice if it wasn't for the fact that Black Kat set is way better and also gives shadow defense, and everyone knows how much shadow is the most prevalent damage type in T3, so even there there's no real point in using it save maybe for when you're going to fight shock constructs.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:14

Fehzor

Do tell me why I should get this set over one of black kat/mercurial demo?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkB_kx1fvrxadGx1RFZscTVjOHV...

Notice how bomb DPS ramps up faster with CTR than it does with damage. Why would I ever want to focus on damage over CTR for bombs? You could argue that there is a situation where it would benefit me more; most likely if I already had maxed out CTR, but if that is the case then MSI should be my next focus, which leads me to black kat set on most ice/statusless levels and mercurial demo on most shock levels. Both of these sets also provide me with some form of damage bonus, and, in the case of black kat, more damage bonus.

None of these sets solve fire levels very well, so using a UV to forcibly solve my situation would be a decent idea, and would stack with whatever black kat/merc demo I preferred to put it on.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:48

Vohtarak-Forum

im vohtarak

@holy
I read that like that guy with the key hat from adventure time for some reason

also chaos does that and add more ctr, so theres no point anyways

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 13:10

Holy-Nightmare

This set is more accessible

This set is more accessible than Black Kat / Merc demo and more defensive/safer than Mad bomber / Chaos Cloak.

As Mentioned in the OP I suggested CTR boosts before damage, in fact with current game mechanics you can still get up to VH damage and VH CTR on an untrinketed/non UVed set.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 14:21

Fehzor

That's where the ctr vs damage bit comes into play. As a new bomber, it makes the most sense to go for volcanic demo first, and then to use that to get merc demo and later various black kat pieces. You could waste time getting bombastic, but you could do a lot of things, like crafting the 3* breaker sets early on and grinding twice as much for two sets. Also consider that max ctr and med damage is more damaging than very high for both...

I mean, if you dig deep enough, yes, there will be a hypothetical situation where bombastic is best- but it isn't ever really worth crafting it for that situation.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 17:06

Holy-Nightmare

@ Fehzor

Bomb damage trinkets and Bomb CTR trinkets are equally difficult to obtain (meaning you can pick volcanic or bombastic and still get Maxes), this armor doesn't hold much value for those without them. (with them you can get Max CTR/DMG and if you have CTR UVs you can even switch your pet perk over to MSI).

It is one of the two Elemental/freeze armor sets (good to have that against silversaps for sure).

It is a bit a LD recon only set (BK set is better but a huge pain to get).

Not an exceptional armor set but it is a balanced set.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:38

Fehzor

Mmmmmm...your argument seems a bit shaky. First you say that it's for endgame players that have trinkets etc. and I suggest that black kat is better, which you discount because bombastic is easier to get. So I suggest that it would make sense to craft the volcanic demo over it as having the CTR and fire resist would benefit you more when it comes to earning such endgame sets and now you say to just get trinkets/UVs to max out all bomb stats easily, which you made a point of not having earlier.

Further, you say that bomb damage trinkets and bomb CTR trinkets are equally difficult to obtain, making it an equal choice between freeze and fire resistance. The last time I checked, fire resistance was a huge get, while freeze resistance (and more on this in the side note) was relatively defective. Doesn't this just go to say that it's the same set as volcanic demo, but a lesser value proposition? Aside from that and with the exception of the bugged out shard bombs (which benefit more from damage, but are always worse in that regard and often come with built in damage buffs anyway), all bombs need or at least benefit from CTR more than damage, while many bombs cannot even use damage.

I honestly don't think that bombastic is really worth crafting as an armor, given the alternatives. I defined what I personally think of balance here, and I would not say that bombastic fits into the game correctly based on this philosophy.

As a side note-

Good to have against silversaps for sure. Not unless you stack it for immunity. If there are three or four silversaps that actually have gotten to you, you're doomed and you will be silversapped again within the 3-4 seconds you are frozen easily. Similarly, freeze vents can still easily one hit KO you from full health even if you do have freeze resistant armor on. Rather, having ice resistant shields is the way to go-- taking a hit with one of those is an excellent way out of being frozen.

I've never heard of anyone using it for lockdown, but if you're serious about lockdown then perhaps you would consider it there. I would like to think that black kat armor outclasses it in lockdown, but I suppose that there is always the chance of someone fang-of-vogging you with that set on, and heaven forbid that happen once every blue moon. More importantly, you *could* gain resistances via UVs and become the ultimate bomber... but the only bombs that benefit from that are, to my knowledge, nitronome and other mediocre ones.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:53

Fe-Tarkus

CTR is all the more important since it's not so simple to get lvl 10 5* bombs. If you want the same usability as a lvl 10 4* Heavy Demo + bomb, Volcanic will set you up to the same amount of CTR.

Even in LD I would recommend Volcanic, so you can Guardian bomb. Granted, I only have SSS, ISB, HCB, and DR for damage bombs on my main character. If I had a damage bomb that had 5* blast radius maybe recon bombing would be fun. I think I'd prefer not to have a BSOD though.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:57

Turn-Me-On

What do you think about

What do you think about volcanic demo?

CTR for every bomb is better. And nothing beats ctr max nitro spam.

Also, radiants are why bombers became more endangered

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 14:11

#10

Exemped

I prefer...

i prefer the mad bomber set. Looks OP and has basically the same stuff as chaos

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 09:31

#11

Holy-Nightmare

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Volcanic demo is the best first set for any bomber. Chaos and mad bomber just for those who are good at dodging. Bombastic and Merc demo are better as damage LD bombers.

Also sometimes you need a little time to think about your bombs, straight up spamming gets more DPS but your team will hate you, good timing and placement can divide up enemies so you team can focus on one group at a time.

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