hi all,im not sure if this is in the right section but..
I had recently gotten a Cold Iron Vanquisher with Dmg Vs. Undead very high and I was wondering if that variant is still good on the sword due to it already having high dmg vs undead,would it be wise to roll for a different variant,or just end up keeping that one, thank you in advance!
Cold Iron Vanquisher
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 15:33
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 15:39
#2
Keep it
You have a total of Max Vs undead on it at the moment, this makes it a good weapon to have if you don't plan on using a damage boosting set.
For example using this weapon with a Skolver set and a Barbarous thorn shield won't get you any more damage against undead. (you will pick up damage against other monster families though)
You can use a much more defensive set when you use it to battle undead.
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 16:49
#3
3 + 4 = 6
Without any UVs, your CIV has undead+3. Your UV is undead+4. So your CIV is now undead+7. But bonuses like this max out at +6. So, in a sense, a quarter of your UV is going to waste. Read the wiki page Abilities to learn more.
As the other posters have said, CIV sadly is outclassed against undead by elemental swords such as Combuster and Warmaster Rocket Hammer. CIV is a relic from an earlier era, when there were fewer elemental swords (only Divine Avenger and Fang of Vog) and damage bonuses were much harder to get.
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 04:11
#4
Tbh CIV is just a really cool
Tbh CIV is just a really cool looking sword and shouldn't be used for anything but feeling unique and cool, if I were in you I'd not waste any more money on rerolling UVs considering the one you got maxes out its intended purpose.
If you want to find some use for it I guess you could easily use it instead of an elemental sword in Vana along with full Vog Cub Set and Crest of Almire instead of an elemental sword as the damage would be pretty much the same with Undead Max and you can use your gear to focus on defense and ASI.
Another way to use it is as a Jack-of-all-trades sword if you focus entirely on bombs or guns, it deals normal damage which makes you able to fight all kind of enemies but is still more effective against undeads which is good because vana and stuff.
Also thanks to the low knockback the charge attack can hit twice or three times easily on frozen enemies.
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 05:14
#5
not really
instead of an elemental sword as the damage would be pretty much the same with Undead Max
It depends on what you mean by "pretty much". Against undead on depth 24, CIV at damage+6 still does less damage than Combuster at damage+0. See data.
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 06:56
#6
Your UV still works up to high, so some of it is wasted. It is, however, still the best damage UV for you to get, as you can now bring your sword to places like Scarlett fortress and rely on swiftstrike and gun buffs over any sword damage. The normal damage will let it take out gremlins and odds mobs from boxes.
Sun, 11/02/2014 - 20:50
#7
Keep it or find one with
Its a good Uv for a good sword, You can also get a Fiend DMG bonus so you can kill zombies and trojans( with the Fiend Bonus + default dmg vs undead). CIV charge atack can 1 hit kill zombies (2 in a 3 party) no need to overkill, line the eye of the sword (under the blade) with the enemy so you can get the 2/3 hits with the charge
Sun, 11/02/2014 - 13:13
#8
correction
You can also get a Fiend DMG bonus so you can kill zombies and trojans
Trojans are fiends, but zombies are not fiends. Zombies are undead.
Sun, 11/02/2014 - 13:48
#9
This sword is ideal for
This sword is ideal for taking out Howlitzers and Deadnaughts with the charge attack (Trojans, and other large/immobile enemies are also vunerable). It also makes for a good Graveyard weapon since most of the monsters there are in tight spaces backed up against walls or tombs, this makes for prime Spinblade territory.
Sun, 11/02/2014 - 17:51
#10
Cold Iron Vanquisher.
Bad#$&
Cold Iron Vanquisher.
Bad#$& name.
Bad@$& looks.
Garbage weapon.
Sun, 11/02/2014 - 21:32
#11
correction to correction
Trojans are fiends, but zombies are not fiends. Zombies are undead.
This poster is not saying zombies are fiends. He/she is saying to get a fiend UV so it would have a fiend damage bonus in addition to the sword's innate undead bonus.
Mon, 11/03/2014 - 05:12
#12
then why not mention the others?
Okay, but then I don't get why the poster mentioned only zombies and trojans, which are arguably the easiest undead and fiends. Why not mention kats, howlitzers, silkwings, devilities, greavers, gorgos?
Mon, 11/03/2014 - 05:31
#13
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
I think you're fine with that UV
but its specialized so use it where its best
Mon, 11/03/2014 - 05:32
#14
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
double post
Mon, 11/03/2014 - 13:44
#15
the others were not mentioned
probably because the poster did not feel the need to be comprehensive and only had FSC in mind (and didn't include silkwings). Not everyone plays the "must include every detail to avoid someone jumping on an omission" game.
Mon, 11/03/2014 - 15:46
#16
okay, sorry
I spend a lot of effort on making my posts precise and accurate. Apparently I need to spend more effort reading between the lines of other players' posts. And not being condescending.
Sorry for acting like a jerk, even if it was unintentional. Cheers, all.
CIV's damage is in fact lower than a normal levi blade without the natural undead high UV, so if you are intending on using the sword for things such as graveyard and what not, keep the UV. However, there are far better alternatives for killing undead than the cold iron lump of uslessness so if you have the cash, you should get a combuster, maybe give your CIV a CTR instead so you can push enemies away in tight corners.