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On Newbies, Noobs, and Making Friends: A Humble Post from a Concerned Endgame Player

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Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:48
Winthos
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Everybody wants to make friends, right? Everyone wants to be accepted by others, to hang out with those who can help them reach beyond the status of newbiness, to find partners to do clockwork runs with, and to learn how to be a valuable player from those who already are. The only problem, it seems, is that many....many new players have no idea what sort of etiquette should be observed in the friend making process. Here are a few tips on how to make friends, specifically what NOT to do.

First of all, many new players seem to want to make friends with endgame players (you know, the ones in 5* gear) which is perfectly fine. Those of us who are in 4 or 5 star equipment obviously know how to play the game, and when asked for advice we can provide some enlightening opinions or helpful hints. I actually encourage newbs to ask us 5* people for help. Newbs, or new players, should be nurtured and crafted into valuable members of the spiral knights community, as we are relatively small as it is and a growing community will lead to a better game

Noobs however (notice noob does not equal newb) should not be nurtured, but should be shunned. Unfortunately, it seems many a newb exhibits noob behavior, either out of ignorance or proclivity, to no resolve. I myself have noticed that many a newby attempts to try and become a friend through noob like behavior, and this may confuse those players who are actually willing to learn (the newbies) with those players who only exist to annoy (noobs). To help all you newbies who want to make friends and learn from the pros, here are a few quick tips on how not to act like a noob.

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1) -Don't send random friend requests to someone without any sort of communication beforehand-

-I'm sure most of us endgame players know what I'm talking about here. We'll just be loitering around at the Auction House when all of a sudden we get two or three random friend requests from people whom we have never met or spoken to before.

All you new players out there, know this: Random Friend requests, en masse, from those we do not know will not make us want to be friends with you. At the very least, introduce yourself and show some indication that you are new, mature, and willing to learn, before you throw out a request.

2) - Know the proper time to send out a friend request -

-Assuming you have learned not to throw out random requests in the hopes of getting a friend, the next step to making a buddy is to know when to send a request. The right time to send a request? after the appropriate conversation of course.

If you want to make friends, do NOT :
-Insult the person with rude comments or swears, and then send a friend request like nothing went down. If their first impression of you is an immature kid who seems to have just learned swear words and thinks it's "cool" to throw em out every other word (like those annoying grade schoolers on xboxlive...) then why would they be friends with you?

-Beg for free stuff. No one likes beggers, especially if their reason behind asking for free stuff is "we be friends now! give me stoof plox!" No one will be your friend if you beg for stuff.

3) -Don't throw random trade requests to people without first saying something-

-Again, just like the out of the blue friend requests, we endgame players are often hit with an endless onslaught of random trade requests without warning. New players, never send out a trade request without warning, assuming we will know what it is you want. We aren't mind readers, if you don't at least have the courtesy to say something like "Hey, i have some mats i want to sell, would you be interested in any of these?" before you spam trades to rich looking players and throw random mats on the screen, then no one will be your friend.

4) -Don't use Leetspeak-

-For those of you who do not know, "leetspeak" is a very annoying manner of speaking involving unnecessary abbreviations and the butchering of simple grammar. Everyone uses a select few leetspeak terms, (I mean, Newb and Noob are Leetspeak), but taking double the time typing every word as an abbreviation or with a number only makes you half as understandable. Stick to the occasional "pwned" or "noob" when joking around with your friends, but for the most part PLEASE type in fully formed sentences. The minimum age to play this game is 13 for a reason: by then you should have a simple understanding of basic language. USE IT.

5) -Learn the game mechanics-

-The best way to stop being a Newb without falling victem to Noob behavior is to simply learn how to play yourself. There are some rather hard to find guides for new players, most of them obscured among the wiki, and I know that some players are bad at navigating sites to find this sort of thing. Here are a few links that will prepare you Newbies to become Pros:

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Official:Introduction
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/List_of_commonly_used_abbreviations
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/New_Player_Briefing

If you absorb the information in those three simple links, Many of the annoying questions that turn us Pros away from helping Newbs will not be a problem, and we can then help with actual opinions (rather than "Hey! Why can't you craft me a 5* vog cub coat! Free stoof please!" Newbies might ask something like "Which is more useful, a Leviathan Blade or Cold Iron Vanquisher? Any opinions?")

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So to wrap things up, there are only a few simple things Newbs must abide by to not become Noobs.

Have the common sense to talk to people, just as if you were talking in person. Sending requests of any kind to a complete stranger will make them feel annoyed, and unsettled. I myself have clicked "delete" right away on hundreds of random Friend Requests, and sadly i believe that some of those I shunned were actually Newbs wanting legitimate help bettering themselves who fell victim to Noob like behavior. Learn the game, because learning for yourself will always make you stronger than if you ask someone else the shortcuts. And finally, sorry for this WALL OF TEXT that I put up here, but I'm sure that many more experienced players have these concerns, and I am but one who is expressing my voice.

Good luck to all you Newbies! I know you will become fantastic players one day, as long as you stay away from the path of the Noob.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:55
#1
Arterra
my friending method: after a

my friending method: after a few awesome runs with someone, you get to tell if they are good or not, and they do too for you. request sent.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:58
#2
Winthos
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Arterra

^ Seconded

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:00
#3
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Tenkii
wh0 uses 1337speak anymore

wh0 uses 1337speak anymore :P

The tragedy of this is that newbies/most players in general do NOT read forums, especially if this is like, one of their first few MMO games.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:05
#4
Ginzaki
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I third Arterra's point. I

I third Arterra's point. I lone wolfed the game all the way up to Tier 3, with one solitary friend because I didn't want to deal with others. After running the JK with a nice group however I got accepted into their clan and now have more friend than I can manage.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:05
#5
Winthos
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Tenlki

If I can reach just one new player and teach them something useful, then this Post will have done enough to make the game just a little bit better.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:34
#6
BiggestLoser
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Zelda

im almost in full 5* gear and i put tons of random people on my friends list
whats the problem of having more friends unless ur friend list reached the limit set by the game
i can join at many depths instantly, which is very useful for me

theres a simple method to avoid random friend requests, just go to an emptier haven, eventually a friend request block system could help u out too..tho itd cost me a good amount of possible friends

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:48
#7
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Lufte
The people you're talking

The people you're talking about don't read the forums.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:48
#8
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Dogrock
It's a real shame that it is

It's a real shame that it is so difficult to cultivate the newbies these days without getting sidetracked with odd requests and chats. I don't like the solution of moving to an empty Haven because there are people with earnest questions, and I honestly do not mind answering them. The game is much more documented than is used to be but there are still odd things that I don't mind sharing my opinion about.

Also as a additional to the request spam: Sending a pile of /tell and mail will not get you into most guilds. If anything it will guarantee that a given guild will overlook you even in the future if you become a good player.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:10
#9
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Sunless
To that player who begged me

To that player who begged me to buy his gear for an absurd amount of Crystal Energy and kept sending trade requests, long after I said no several times and that I was not interested, before insulting and sexually harassing me through whispers before asking for a friend request.

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 16:46
#10
Loki
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I fall victim to dozens of

I fall victim to dozens of random Friend Requests and Trade Requests everyday when I'm in Haven. It's disgusting.

I deny or just completely ignore these random requests. For trades, I just use the ''Hide'' option as it's much easier to do that than to constantly have their trade requests spammed on you, blocking everything on your screen.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 17:37
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Devicho
I'm not even that great of a

I'm not even that great of a player--only Tier 2, with most of my gear still being only 2* save for my Angelic Raiment--and even I've gotten a few random trade requests, friend requests, and even guild invites from people that I didn't know. Feels awfully strange, to say the least, seeing as I'm sort of new myself. (I've only been playing for... about a month?)

Then I feel all weird if I don't at least check out the person or guild. Overly polite maybe, I don't know. I just don't want to seem like a jerk and turn people down, but at the same time I don't even know these people.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 17:57
#12
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Trouser
When I get a random guild

When I get a random guild invitation, I already know all I need to know about the guild: they recruit people without even talking to them. That's a lousy way to run a social organization.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:46
#13
Senshi
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No... wait... what... ?

'133+ 5|*33|<' ('elite speak' or 'leetspeak') is the practice of using numbers and symbols in whole or in part to approximate the shape of letters to communicate in an obfuscated manner to other '133+5' that you may know who have the time and patience to decipher your garble. 'u' 'wtf' 'lol' and so on are 'chatspeak', and not 133+ at all. 'noob' isn't even chatspeak it's just gaming jargon for an incorrigible newbie who will never learn. Oddly enough it is thrown around as a general insult against people who are better at the game. (Well, not -this- game, but only because we don't have PvP. As soon as you start winning PvPs, be braced to be called a 'noob' as well as 'hacker' and 'fu'. What, precisely, a 'fu noob' is I shall leave as an exercise to the reader.)

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Tue, 06/07/2011 - 03:23
#14
cowboyb3b0p
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The difference between the

The difference between the two:

Noobs - annoying children who won't stop sending you friend invites.
Newbs - those who do not seek us as friends unless we actually talk to them.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 05:31
#15
Aexicas
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My secret

My secret to avoiding all those friend requests? Use a 2 star helm as a costume =p

Aside from the fact that I can't stand the looks of the Salamander helm (temporary as though it is), I kinda like the Cobalt Helm's looks in the first place, and it looks "nooby" enough to ward people away that don't really know it could be a costume =p. Kinda funny that it works, since I'm sitting with other 4 star gears too.

Now just to make the guild invites stop...

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:07
#16
Gigafreak
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"My secret to avoiding all

"My secret to avoiding all those friend requests? Use a 2 star helm as a costume =p"

That might stop moocher friend requests but... I've gotten trade-request spam on my alts in Proto gear.

To clarify, they're not wearing Proto gear as costumes. They actually have no armor other than their Proto stuff. I gave them some of the Gremlin weapons for the lols, but that's not visible in Haven, nor even in regular Inspect.

I need to look over the terms of use and see if tradespam is Complainable. My ignore lists are filling up fast.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 07:29
#17
peachmin8
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oh my god... do you think the

oh my god... do you think the reason it took me so long to find a guild that would take me, is because I've been wearing my starter armor as a costume? But it's so cute, I don't want to change my hat.

or is it because I'm nooby :( I swear I've been trying to talk to people nicely. Ok maybe asking whether the in-game marshmallow peeps were food that I could shoot, was uncalled for, but mostly I think I've been nice o.O

About the trade requests, I've been getting a lot of those too, since day one. (which was last weekend.) My guess is it's kids who are having trouble with the keyboard and are using the trade button as a way of saying HAI. Honestly the chat method is really hard to use, even for me who logs onto random games only to chat :P

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 22:48
#18
Winthos
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@ Senshi and @peachmin8

@ Senshi:
Ah, thank you for the explanation. I seem to have just grouped everything together there, haha. Sorry to confuse you, but I'm sure regardless of it being chatspeak or leet, overuse or even substation of normal language for that type of chatter gets very annoying, right?

and @ Peachmin
I love your explanation for why trade is spammed! That has got to be it, no doubt. ^.^

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 22:36
#19
Guildenberg
@Aexicas That would work up

@Aexicas
That would work up until they inspected you and realized that you've got high-level gear. Are you working with the assumption that noobs won't bother with that and go by appearance alone?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 23:32
#20
Alexandriea
I've already become so jaded

I've already become so jaded with the community, there's little left of my faith in its redemption.

Picture post-release and any veteran player from then or older will tell you how amazing the community was. Anybody could sit down, talk and have a legitimate conversation with someone. Now its just a swarm of idiots, guild thieves (People who actually spam you with guild invites when you're in another guild), beggars and douchebags. PvP won't help this either.

OOO, I once tweeted and got retweeted by you guys about how this game has the most amazing community ever. I rescind my tweet. It is no longer cool, and PvP will definitely be the breaking point of any niceness left in the game.

Signed,
Alexandriea

P.S: I applaud your effort to bring new players to the light.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 23:47
#21
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Tenkii
A random point of curiosity

A random point of curiosity -
someone sent me a trade request earlier and started putting down like 2-4 of a bunch of shards.

I started putting down each of the items he was putting down... x50-x100, without saying anything.

He took them back, one by one, and eventually closed the trade lol.

:x

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 00:14
#22
forte805
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ok that made me lol :D

ok that made me lol :D

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 00:24
#23
Raul
This is a great thread, I

This is a great thread, I could of totally did this.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 17:19
#24
peachmin8
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I love PvP. I make lots of

I love PvP. I make lots of friends that way o.O

Guild thieves are people who join a guild, ask to be promoted to officer, empty out the guild bank account, then leave all within 20 minutes. Poachers are people who spam you with guild invites, bribes, and promises to make you a senior officer right away if you join, even though they can clearly see you are already in a guild.

As for communities, I have been in a few games like that. It seems like usually during a beta and early after the release, it is mature players who have the patience and altruism to deal with multiple bugs and help the dev team and other players. Then they bring their friends to play, who are usually the same level of maturity. Then the gamemakers start advertising themselves all over the various corners of the web, and alllllll the younger and/or less altruistic players start coming in and showing off their poor upbringing.

Probably the best way to keep the community you are used to, is to form a small group of friends who will move with you to beta test new games. Sign up for email newsletters from large mmorpg websites that will send you beta invites through email, log in, request invites for your friends. Use ventrilo or facebook or whatever to stay in touch. As soon as the noobs flood the game, move on to the next beta.

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