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Sudaruska and Triglav; Why are they different?

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Mon, 11/10/2014 - 12:08
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare

Triglav can get status on the combo but Sudaruska can't...... Why did SK do this?

All the other LD reward recipe items are balanced but this is just straight up better.

Mon, 11/10/2014 - 12:19
#1
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
:/

But keep in mind the difference between freeze and stun, freeze is instantly broken upon been hit the second time, stun is more powerful and if suda stuns on normal combo, can you think of the rediculousness of the weapon? Locking down someone in LD with it and keep stunning the skolver clone until he is dead.

Mon, 11/10/2014 - 12:23
#2
Krakob's picture
Krakob

The devs couldn't handle fixing the stun bug at the time, so they removed the stun on the combo. When they (kinda) fixed the bug, they never reimplemented stun on the combo.

Mon, 11/10/2014 - 13:23
#3
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Fehzor

Triglav's freeze is NOT an absolute upgrade.... when you use sudaruska, you can just smack stuff around whenever, wherever, however... as long as you take advantage of the knockback, which will save you from many melee attacks, making you much safer. When you use triglav, this is not the case- using the second hit on the front side of an enemy can freeze it, canceling the knockback and allowing the monster to get in an easy hit.

So why would you want to deal freeze? What advantage does it actually grant you? It lets you get in charge attacks. With triglav, you want to plan second hits such that they strike enemies safely as often as possible. Whenever you do get off a freeze, you want to step away, and get in as many free charge hits as you can- which can be a good many hits, given that triglav also freezes on the charge quite often.

This difference gives each weapon a vastly different feel when using them, and was one of the things that inspired my post about armor balance. My thoughts on these two weapons and others, as mentioned in that post, are that the odds of status could be raised tremendously to further differentiate these two items, balancing them via removing the comparisons between the two.

Specifically-

Sudaruska's 2nd hit: Twice as fast as triglav's
Triglav's 2nd hit: Always deals moderate freeze

Sudaruska's charge: Always deals strong stun
Triglav's charge: Unchanged

That's all it would take to fix them and avoid having them be basically the same weapon. Neither weapon is or ever has been valued much by the community in general so the buff would be seen very positively as well.

Mon, 11/10/2014 - 16:25
#4
Flowchart's picture
Flowchart

Thwack Hammer kept the stun on second hit, and it wasn't a problem in T1 LD.
If they can keep it on this weapon then no reason why Suda couldn't have it. But then, who knows what they're thinking.

Mon, 11/10/2014 - 16:28
#5
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
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@ Midnight-Dj

I wouldn't mind that actually, more statuses in LD would be better and especially anything to bring normal weapons up a notch.
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I'd rather them just have the same DPS as the SS lines (whether by speed or damage), if not then higher status chances would certainly make them a bit more desirable.

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