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Thu, 11/20/2014 - 00:40
Armedknight's picture
Armedknight

so i was watching old veterans back in 11' fighting vanaduke and was wondering why they used argents and D.A charges to hit vana? not only one but multiple videos used them - including the famous MAGNUS~~~ so why not blitz/shiv combination? im not entirely clear with oldstyle playing
maybe if im wrong there was a patch and the two were introduced? idk any vets still around? thxx

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Thu, 11/20/2014 - 00:49
#1
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Cross-Over

I think I recall the Argent Peacemaker doing split Piercing and Elemental damage back then, maybe the Blitz wasn't as strong...
That's all I remember, besides it being a little more or less buggy.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 05:16
#2
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Vohtarak-Forum
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

all antiguas had split pierce damage
they removed it a while back

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 05:52
#3
Vtmoon's picture
Vtmoon
Argents had pierce/energy dmg

Argents had pierce/energy dmg so they were the go to weapon in FSC. You have to remember this before the Chaos days so not many people had ctr, so blitz was super slow. Also back then we didn't have many gunners, everyone was a wolver clone using swords.

DA was used because it had the push back, back them the charge from the brandish line was not good.

Shiv also was not common until towards the end of 011 beginning of 012, I remember having shiv back in August of 011 meant you got invited by everyone to their Vana when they wiped a couple of times, and if you were good with Shiv you would even get random invites from none friends once they hit level 26+ .

I remember having shiv and RRS (back when RRS had double dmg and the old mechanics) while wearing my mad bomber set, you could pretty much control the zombies and stopping them from gnawing at the teams brains (before the zombies got nerfed hard).

Good old days when getting ctr/resistance was very tricky and expensive.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 06:10
#4
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Bopp
agree; partly it's because AIs have changed

As others have noted, Argent did split piercing/elemental, and hence was a popular gun in FSC.

When the game launched, DA was one of only two elemental swords (FoV being the other). Also, the zombie AI was different: swipes were more dangerous, but jumps were less dangerous. So comboing DA into a crowd of zombies was a safe and effective way of killing them. So DA was popular in FSC.

Blitz Needle had a bad reputation back then. I'm not sure why. Maybe part of the reason was that people preferred Callahan for piercing, because the wolver AI was much, much tougher.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 08:42
#5
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Theirillusion

Most is already covered in above posts.

DA also had it's original charge, which was just much better in every way. Maybe people still remember the glitch were you could use the charge to break ghost blocks through walls more or less similar to how the mixmaster is now.

We're talking about the age when UVs were only gotten from crafting your own items or buying 1*, 2* or 3* items crafted by others. The only 3 armor lines with damage bonus not specified to monster families were skolver, chaos and shadow sun. Of which only skolver was as it is today. And there were no damage buff trinkets or battle sprite buffs.

As for why people didn't use blitz, it's partly because the lack of ASI and CTR buffs around. But since you don't really need those I suppose the major factor was lack of experience and skill. Using blitz without dying used to take a long time to learn and because people didn't want to pay for revives they kept to the safer and more mobile option: AP.

Shiver blitz is old school too. You can't handle a blitz properly if you need shiver as assistance.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 08:46
#6
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Fehzor

Blitz needle was ignored by experienced players early on because of its lack of mobility. I was there lol

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:02
#7
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

I remember those days. Especially when I picked up my first gun, and had a more experienced gunner tell me to drop it.

It was the autogun :P

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 23:19
#8
Armedknight's picture
Armedknight
:O I see now, thanks for that

:O I see now, thanks for that guys! Appreciate it

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 03:21
#9
Deadagainalready's picture
Deadagainalready
OMG!

None of these reasons are correct. The reason why in the early Vanaduke fight videos no one used Blitz is because Blitz didn't exist yet. It was in the Wiki but the Blitz and Blight Needles weren't released yet. Those were released later, back in the days when OOO would say they were going to do something and then actually did said something. As soon as the Blitz came out people figured out the cheesy Shiv Blitz and then realized you didn't need the shiv and just used Blitz.

Also the reason DA was so popular was because like its listed above it was the only REALLY good elemental sword. This changed as well when the BLitz was introduced because the brandishes were all buffed at the same time. All this is really mute to the real reason which was the old DA could be used to exploit all sorts of things like destroying the wheels and hitting ghost blocks from the opposite side of walls before starting party buttons in rooms such as the final room before going to face Vana. The DA was quickly dropped when they fixed this exploit, even before the Brandish revamp and introduction of the Blitz.

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 06:53
#10
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Bopp
to clarify

To clarify, Deadagainalready says that none of the reasons above are correct, but then goes on to agree with most of what was said about Divine Avenger above. His disagreement is about Blitz Needle.

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 07:39
#11
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Vtmoon
Blitz not around... What are

Blitz not around... What are you talking about, he is talking about 011 videos of Vana, most the ones on youtube are dated after the steam release which had Blitz around.

@Bopp pretty much...

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 08:53
#12
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

I was talking about after release, when it did exist.

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 08:56
#13
Vtmoon's picture
Vtmoon
oh Fehzor, I was replying to

oh Fehzor, I was replying to Deadagainalready not you :)

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 09:24
#14
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Theirillusion

@Deadagainalready

I wasn't wrong, what I wrote was after steam release.

Blitz Needle was added to the game FAR earlier than the brandish buff.

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 09:38
#15
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Likewise.

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