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Rain on a sunny day (or what happens when I have too much free time)

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Wed, 12/03/2014 - 19:47
Morgomir's picture
Morgomir

Alright, gunner update's here, game's not dead and whoop-dee-frickin-doo . I'm not going to join those who blindly cherish this update and would definitely like YOU, reading this, to put that unnecessary hype away and listen for a little bit. I'm not here to ruin your new favourite day, I'd just simply like to point out a few things. Yes, this is rant which tries to be more than just another rant. We'll see how it goes, eh?

149.

That is the number of recipes introduced (excluding that star1 one) in the latest patch accorind to the patch notes. That's awesome, right? Well, yes and...not quite. You see, it's nice to have a whole lot of new things to play with, new and old players alike can have a lot of genuine fun with these items. The problem is, that every single one of those recipes are indeed, Basil-locked.I've talked to every single NPC vendor in HoH, and couldn't find a piece of new equipment. This baffled me. Would those items really be only on the Basil item rotation?

Some of you may not know, but a long time ago there was no "Hall of Heroes". Every single recipe in the game was from the arcade, from Basil. Whether it was D4, D13 or D23, you were always looking out for those "sought-after" recipes to make a few cr profit and to possibly put a smile on someones face (other than yours of course, you got some crowns to be happy about). It was very inconvenient, oh yes, but it was...fun. This then changed to the current system with the introduction of missions, for better or worse. Most items were introduced in the HoH and in the supply depot, for convenience's sake. Boss-related and very few others remained Basil-only. So much for those who sold the other recipes I guess. Basil could sell any recipe in the game, so things became a little bit more chaotic: some recipes worth a fortune, some were unsellable. You could still make a lot of profit provided Basil had the items you were looking for.

But I'm not here to reminisce of the time gone. All I'm saying is: with the introduction of the new recipes, the chances of getting a certain weapons's (hell even just a certain weapon line's recipe for starters) recipe is incredibly, infuriatingly low. For those who're wondering: No, the number of recipes Basil offers is not increased. So yeah, it's painful to hunt those new toys down at the moment. I really wanted to get my hands on that Shadow Blitz, or even the Shadow/Freeze Magnus.

But this can be fixed, easily, like there's a number of ways to do so and I'm sure even you've thought of some already, reader. What truly frustrates me here, what caused me to break out in this massive rant is that they just released some gated content...again. They shamelessly just made the whole experience of getting these guns a tiresome, unnecessarily complicated, luck-based mess.

I'm not going to sugarcoat it, there was almost nothing in the past 8 or so months that I couldn't do before in this game. Really unimpressed with the kat-armors, the scarab-hunt was a joke, all events basiclly repeated and that was it. I'm not blaming OOO for this, I accept that they might have problems. However, I do not accept their decisions. Every single time somekind of content comes out, there's always a catch. You need IDs, you need tickets, you need shadow keys, you need this, you need that. Yeah, nobody likes it when people just blaze through the content you so preciously created. But right now, there's nothing NEWthat you could DO with those guns. For Christ's sake, why lock them away with Basil? Why make their acquisition such a tedious experience? It's not like you haven't thought it would end up like this, with a clusterf*ck of recipes stuffed into Basil, I'm sure of that.

All I wanted to do was get a new gun and shoot some gremlins...and it's not like leveling items is not nerve-racking in itself.

But now I have to go through countless Basils to have a chance at getting one or two recipes needed. I could buy them from other players for a lot more sure, but you know, I'm more of a "do it yourself" kind of knight. So I ran, I ran through levels that I did for hundreds of times, faced off against monsters that I've slain God-knows how many of, completed puzzles (which never really challenged anyone) yet again just to have my hopes crushed by Basil. Again...and you know what I felt?

Nothing. Nothing at all. No fun or any sort of enjoyment, no motivation, not even anger... just emptiness... That made me realise what SK has become to me...it's just like a sweet shadow, a piece of memories I'm very fond of, a tiny bit of nostalgia, a remarkable thing of my past which I can't go back to however hard I try.

So thanks for reading this if you did, draw your own consequences and ready your pitchforks if you may. I will listen to what you've got to say.

Edit: Please keep discussion about the new update in the discussion thread here. Thanks!

Wed, 12/03/2014 - 20:46
#1
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

You want to get new items THE SECOND THEY COME OUT? You're going to have to cough up for it, my friend. It's always been like this. Every time a new item came out, Energy prices jumped since EVERYONE was crafting lots of items in a short period of time. When Battle Sprites came out, the cost of pet materials was several times higher than what it is now.

You pay for convenience.

Wed, 12/03/2014 - 22:59
#2
Addy's picture
Addy
New content isn't just handed

New content isn't just handed to you on a silver platter, it's the worst thing ever, oh nooo

Doing it this way means that you actually have to spend a bit of time playing it before you can complain about how there's "nothing left to do." ;3 so honestly I kind of love that they chose to do it this way.

Wed, 12/03/2014 - 23:06
#3
Poothis's picture
Poothis
On the bright side

When you're doing all those arcade runs, you're at least getting crowns to pay for those recipes. If you already have more than enough, then just watch your crown count slowly rise up till you feel rich. I dunno, it's how I feel about it.

Wed, 12/03/2014 - 23:13
#4
Keepscaite's picture
Keepscaite
B-But the search is the fun

B-But the search is the fun part :D

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 00:02
#5
Nechrome's picture
Nechrome
Homestuck!

Granted, the Antigua, Pulsar, and Catalyzer lines are all boss recipe thingies anyway so their recipes would only be sold by Basil anyway.

Interesting to see that the other new non-boss line guns are also Basil recipes, but like Keepscaite said, the search is the fun part. IMO anyway.

Also I somehow managed to use the word 'anyway' thrice in those above sentences? Wow I have such a diverse vocabulary.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 00:39
#6
Neometal's picture
Neometal

Elevators are free, just go and run thru startum 3/5.
At least this makes ppl do arcade - sorta.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 01:44
#7
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
algorithms are the solutions to any problem.

the only thing that itches me right now is that the sheer amount of recipies is killing the variety of what we find (up to now I've found only armors for a grand total of two runs). easy fixes:1) make basil perform a shadow clone jutsu and divide weapons from armor or 2) take out all recipies in the HoH from basil. it's all about reducing the pool of possible choices.
because basil trolls hard.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 05:00
#8
Morgomir's picture
Morgomir
Alright so to respond to a

Alright so to respond to a couple things that you brought up:

@Hexzyle & @Addy

Yes, I'm aware that it's been like this ever since the game was released. It's actually very similar to a lot of titles out there: a new update comes out, it's content is highly valued 'til the items introduced overflow the market and the price drops because the lack of demand. I'm okay with that. What I'm not okay with is how this is still present in SK. It simply shouldn't be. In the previous instances you've mentioned, there was some form of other content to do , so not too many complained. Battlespirtes? Missions. New items? Roar, kat hunt, apocrea, tortos. There's nothing right now to make up for the guns. It would be only fair to not make getting these guns a pain in the...don't you think?

Or, to put it like this: you may think I'm a spoiled knight that wants christmas right here, right now, early as possible. The reality is, that I'm just some knight who didn't really get anything in a year or so, so I'm obviously upset when I hear it's not "Jesus" that's visiting, but "RNGesus".

That was a very weird scenario. Apologies.
But truth is, I do want to have that content served up a silver platter. That's what I'd call "fair" in this particular situation. You may find going up against the might of RNG every once in a while fun, I do not.

@Poothis

I don't know about you, but running for recipes is anything but profitable. You either run through the levels for more Basils/period of time but less gold or fight throught the level for more gold but less Basils/period of time. The only way that you get something out of this if you sell those recipes...granted you find them.

@Keepscaite & @Lordofnecromancers

As I mentioned earlier, I don't really find running through the levels for a chance to get access to new "content" all too fun. Imagine this: you ran through...let's say 10 Basils, and still missing that particular recipe you're looking for. Another 10. Another. Another. And one more session. Now you're at 50, still no recipe. You know what's the most discouraging thing that applies to these luck-based scenarios?On your next run (or any other for that matter) you still have the SAME chance of getting that recipe as any of the previous 50 UNSUCCESSFUL runs. What makes you think it'll happen this time? Don't you feel like waisting time?

I also mentioned I was looking for a shadow blitz and a fancy magnus, so no boss-related content there.

@Neometal

üdv Neo. I was kind of hoping they'd revive arcade through...other means :D

@Thunder-The-Bright

Yup, those are good fixes for this problem. Pretty easy ones too. Makes you wonder why they didn't thought of that. Makes you wonder why they gate the only real content released in a long time...behind a very annoying Basil-lock no less. Makes you wonder why they cling on to these ridiculous practises if they can no longer make them work. Let's make it clear: I'm not asking for more content. I'm asking for content better presented to us.

And indeed, Basil troll pretty damn hard.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 04:57
#9
Vohtarak-Forum's picture
Vohtarak-Forum
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

I think a better solution would be to put ONE variant of each armor in the HoH
but I think most of the guns should stay with basil

anddidsomeonesayhomestuck?

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 06:07
#10
Keepscaite's picture
Keepscaite
They could also increase the

They could also increase the amount of recipes that Basil sells. Like, triple it or something.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 06:13
#11
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
algorithms are the solutions to any problem.

Makes you wonder why they gate the only real content released in a long time

just like tortoguns, apocrea to some extent, and most of all the BKC.
seriously, they have been doing it for a while.

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