I have a three-star sword, but my gun firepower is woefully inadequate. I also only have 14,000 crowns, and am struggling to get enough more to make a difference. Does anyone have any advice? Missions are a bit out of it, because I'm primarily a gunner in play-style.
Need advice on 3-star gun
Wed, 12/10/2014 - 14:23
Wed, 12/10/2014 - 15:14
#2
Input! Need Input!
What are your current items you plan on pairing your gun with?
Wed, 12/10/2014 - 20:03
#3
Most of the guns are now viable options, so whichever one you feel like getting (except catalyzer, which is rubbish) will do. You have tons of options and all the time in the world to waste grinding for them. Lucky you.
Without any other knowledge of your gear or what you use, I would say-
1. Get the elemental and shadow blasters from basil, farming as many orbs as you can and selling other recipes for cash along the way. Start with magic cloak and hood. Use swift strike buckler as your shield, and work towards getting a volcanic plate shield for the final hall of heroes.
2. Beat all of the missions until the 5* hall of heroes, upgrading your weapons to 4* and leveling them to ten.
3. Earn the perfect mask of seerus, and upgrade your armor to chaos cloak. Leave your hood alone at level 10, as you won't need it until later.
4. Craft blitz needle, which will be your 5* weapon. Begin to work your way towards hail driver and iron slug.
5. Become frustrated looking for radiant fire crystals and quit.
That's what I would do if I were a new gunner anyway.
Fri, 12/12/2014 - 11:02
#4
Thank you all!
Lots of great advice! I've decided to start with the Autogun line, and work up to Grim Repeater. I currently use an Iceburst Brandish, but will probably swap out for something in the Blaster line, and work up from there.
Fri, 12/12/2014 - 20:38
#5
not bad
I don't know whether you're still reading this thread. Your plan of Glacius and Grim Repeater isn't bad. But consider two points:
* If you switch Grim Repeater to Blitz Needle, then you still have two non-normal damage types, but your gun is now extremely useful in Firestorm Citadel, which is one of the most popular places to play.
* You might want to read the elemental swords part of my detailed sword guide. Glacius is a fun sword, and not at all bad, but Combuster and Voltedge are better.
Sat, 12/13/2014 - 06:35
#6
Actually, if it's for the
Actually, if it's for the sake of comboing together, Glacius + any 5* autogun is great. Basically, use Glacius charge, freeze, charge Grim, profit.
Ultimately though, Grim doesn't do as much damage compared to Blitz neutrally because of it's high knockback. And if you're going to use Grim, you're probably gonna want to invest in some gun CTR/ASI.
Sat, 12/13/2014 - 20:12
#7
I'm with Keepscaite here. I mean it isn't that huge of a difference, but using combuster is quite a waste in this scenario when you could instead pull out the old blitz needle and get them with a charge while they're frozen. Voltedge would still work for this, just work a bit less.
The drawback to using these weapons is that now you're even more reliant on charge time reduction, and you just won't have that until you get your chaos + seerus up- if you even go for that. If you do come back and see this, I would really have you consider finding the 1* seerus mask on the auction house ahead of time if you get stuck, as well as really focusing on leveling your pet up and gaining charge time reduction unique variants. That sort of thing will drastically improve your weapons.
Sat, 12/13/2014 - 20:30
#8
the counter-argument
Basically, Glacius lets you freeze monsters, so that you can do whatever you want, including ignoring them (so they suffer the thaw damage later) or Blitzing them (so they die). In this way it's very powerful.
However, Combuster often simply kills the monsters in one charge attack. The charge does much more damage than Glacius' charge, because fire does not prevent the monsters from riding the entire charge attack for massive damage. As good as a frozen monster is, a dead monster is even better, right? Of course, this depends somewhat on your damage bonus, party size, depth, etc. And even if the charge doesn't kill the monsters, it does a predictable amount of knockback. In contrast, you can't predict the knockback from Glacius, because freeze stops it somewhere in the middle.
(I'm not telling Fehzor anything she doesn't know. And maybe not Keepscaite either. But it should be mentioned for Sawhero.)
Sat, 12/13/2014 - 22:03
#9
I mean it's valid, and combuster is really better at taking out things like zombies and devilites and smaller mobs that get knocked back and obliterated. I just don't think it's that big of a deal, because blitz needle, brandish normal hits, alchemers, warmaster rocket hammer and a whole slew of other things are roughly as effective in the same situation when it comes down to it. I guess really my argument boils down to the fact that some larger mobs like trojans and tortodrones can be frozen and then blitzed safely, whereas combuster is just a bit a bit more damaging.
Sun, 12/14/2014 - 07:21
#10
Sawhero also mentioned that
Sawhero also mentioned that he's mainly a gunner, so I was expecting him to be packing gun armors. In that case, the Glacius would be better to maximize his damage.
Unless he's using Chaos.
Also, Fehzor's a girl?
Sun, 12/14/2014 - 08:26
#11
Fehzor is actually a silkwingkin.
Sun, 12/14/2014 - 11:16
#12
Void
Fehzor is actually a silkwingkin.
*fliiiiiiiip, glup* mmmm tasty moth.
I think I ate fehzor... sorry, chroma instincts :/
@OP
If you're looking for "firepower" the best guns would probably be an alchemer, an autogun or a magnus (though like others pointed out, magnuses power lies on their charge) but this is too unclear, maybe if you'd ask something like: "What items are best to use with an antigua/blaster/whatever" I could answer your request adequately, but before asking for an advice I think that you should specify what you're expecting from your gear because there are lots of ways to being "mainly a gunner" mostly it comes down to what playstyle you enjoy.
Trying some guns for yourself would let you see what you like the best. Following other people's advices will most likely lead to them pointing you towards commonly used OP combinations like Polaris & Blitz Needle or some autogun with a Brandish backup sword... and yes these combinations will prove useful in most cases, but It would be sad if you missed the opportunity to try other things just to jump on the train of roflstomping everything with overpowered stuff.
Antiguas excel at single target DPS, Blasters act like a defensive gun for their knockback but still keeping some offensive capability to damage, Pulsars are guns that benefit from long ranged area of effect explosions that inflict various statuses while also dealing some damage, Autoguns are perfect for quickly spraying bullets to groups of monsters or dealing massive ammounts of damage to larger enemies, these are just some examples, and most of these guns have variations that modify their purpose slightly so I didn't want to go into full detail because there is a lot to explain
Mon, 12/15/2014 - 08:27
#13
Extra info...
So, a bit of backstory. I used to be pretty good, and had better gear, I quit playing shortly before the old guild hall update. When I came back, there were missions, and I no longer had some of my gear. I have basically had to start from scratch. Right now, I am stuck with the Skelly Suit from the missions. Once I get my Dark Chaingun, I do intend on working on my armor.
My playstyle can be described as erratic, but effective. At times, I just charge in, swinging my sword. Most of the time, though, I prefer to sit back and gun down my enemies, taking as little damage as possible. I tend to use close calls to my advantage. (e.g. Zombie jumps, I autogun it in the face just before it hits me, reducing it to dust.) Typically, I use my sword most against constructs and beasts, as I can typically kill them without much risk. I only have about 9000 crowns after Dark Chaingun costs, so I am looking for a relatively cheap path, but one that is effective as well.
Mon, 12/15/2014 - 16:45
#14
Glacius pairs well with
Glacius pairs well with Chaingun, because it lets you leisurely find a nice foothold before blasting their faces.
Combuster does much more damage, but is more or less standalone weapon and has no synergy with your Chaingun.
Your final option for a sword is Final Flourish. Decimates beasts, Fiends, and is generally a fast and easy to use weapon.
Those 3 are the cheapest, easiest weapons around.
Mon, 12/15/2014 - 17:01
#15
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The Magnus, thanks to the update it is now extremely powerful, the charge can decimate just about anything that doesn't resist it.
The regular attack is also great at locking down devilites (your teammates with blitz will appreciate this).
The Charge has very high power if you hit them head on, if you hit from the side or back you can reposition the enemy to either protect your allies or pull them out of places (spikes, traps, totem aura).
Mon, 12/29/2014 - 14:33
#16
I use an alchemer as my
I use an alchemer as my gun.
/shrug
Oh and to whatshisherface who said the Catalyzer sucks, I'm guessing you've never seen a good catalyzer wielder, since those things are deadly.
Mon, 12/29/2014 - 17:08
#17
I don't believe I have ever seen someone using the (new) catalyzers effectively... but then I haven't been able to log in for a while. For me the verdict is still out on whether the weapon has any good uses. While I don't like how it operates most of the time, even a single situation that is really solved by it would be an improvement on what it was... and such a complicated weapon deserves a more thorough investigation than anyone could have possibly given it in the last 3 weeks.
Unfortunately for the catalyzer lines, I'm not going to go recommending it until I've found that use. I'd rather assume that I'm using it properly when mentioning a weapon to people, and if it comes across as being a poor weapon then I'm going to assume it IS a poor weapon, but try to find some good use for it... in case you're curious, my issue with it right now is that it has mediocre damage on the general shots/charge, making its damage akin to the drivers due to its clip size. This makes the catalyzers a poor choice because drivers are far easier to use, as their damage is calculated almost instantly, meaning that almost no excess damage is dealt on accident... their shots are also much faster, and they feel more fluid to use, ramping up far beyond expectations when skill is accounted for.
Tue, 12/30/2014 - 01:06
#18
You could just use UVs, but
You could just use UVs, but let's say you don't.
Now, imagine a party of 4 people, each using say the biohazard.
Now imagine Royal Jelly.
I think after loading some shots, someone charges and we all know who wins.
Royal Jelly because polyps are cheaty scum.
Wed, 12/31/2014 - 02:14
#19
Yes, but the royal jelly is typically fought prior to the roarmulus twins. It is highly unlikely that in an ordinary party many of the participants would have any form of biohazard, and even if they did, using tundrus or dark chain gun would work just as well for the boss fight and often better up until then.
Wed, 12/31/2014 - 13:17
#20
I see your point, but since
I see your point, but since IMF is easier than RJP, especially boss wise, some people like myself end up with cat / pulsar before antigua or sealed sword. And if you're not me, you'll try to get a 3* cat asap. But still, it definitely has it's uses, even if my example wasn't the best. Sometimes it's fun to find a gun puppy and just blow it up.
First, what do you mean "missions are a bit out of it"? I recommend that you keep working through the rank missions.
Second, all of the best gear in this game is 5 stars (except for Swiftstrike Buckler and arguably some Black Kat armor). That's where everything ends up, unless it gets stuck in a dead end, which you want to avoid. So I recommend that you plan your equipment by selecting the 5-star items that you want, and then looking back in their alchemy paths, to figure out how to get them.
Third, do you understand how damage works? Ideally you would carry two (or more) non-normal damage types and use them against the appropriate enemies. (There are a couple of worthwhile normal weapons, such as Nitronome, Neutralizer, and recently Iron Slug.)
Fourth, and to actually address your question: Prior to last week's big gunner update, I would have said that the best guns are Blitz Needle, Umbra Driver, and Nova/Storm Driver. They are not the easiest to use, but they are extremely powerful and satisfying once you master them. But after the gunner update, guns need to be re-evaluated somewhat. Many players are praising Iron Slug nowadays.
Finally, what is your sword? Do you plan to keep playing in a one-gun-one-sword style? Or might you switch to a two-gun style? How attached to your sword are you? Would you rather have the freedom of being able to use both your sword and your gun on all enemies? Or are you willing to give up some of that flexibility for higher damage output? Do you usually play solo or in parties?