Those guys who hotkeyed 100 mouse clicks to instantly create extremely large offers.
Right now I was racing a seller down way over 400 crowns, completely annihilating any kind of profit margin. This seller put up at least four x301 selling orders.
Is there any method to deal with such people without jeopardizing the market maker spread?
Contrary to popular belief, I'm not Barack Obama. Any feasible options?
Yes, I surely don't care when I am either completely wasting my time or completely wasting my money. Of course.
Any SERIOUS and FEASIBLE options? I can't believe the stuff that's been said so far.
Right now I was racing a seller down way over 400 crowns, completely annihilating any kind of profit margin. This seller put up at least four x301 selling orders.
People want ce/cr now and that's usually what happens.
The question I should be asking is: why do you want ce right now? it was cheaper before and will be cheaper in mid january again, but until then it will be in the 8-9k realm sadly >.<
Edit: also sometimes people buy/sell ce in haven 1, to avoid the 2% OOO tax... ce > energy, I'm just old and it was crystal energy back in ye olde days XD
"I was racing a seller down" means that I wanted to get rid of CE.
But this seller, he was insane.
If I recall correctly,
8200x301
8350x301
8400x301
8469x301
Now, instead of asking me to start the Third World War, not caring about the topic and questioning my actions, how about we brainstorm answers to the following question:
How does one stop CE market griefers without throwing atomic bombs, jeopardizing one's own market maker spread and/or not trading at all?
I really wish I knew more about the CE market. I should take the time to actually check it out, but even from someone who has never used it, it sounds like you're asking the million-dollar question!
It definitely is starting to feel as if I was. No acceptable answers on Reddit either.
Sorry for being so obtuse, but what is the problem? Someone is selling energy (301 lots of it) for a lower price than you want to sell energy? And your interpretation is that this person is deliberately throwing away lots of his own profit, just for the fun of ruining your profit? Is that right?
Exactly. As soon as he is outbid, he throws on his own huge offers again at much lower prices. As soon as the profit margin is nonexistant, he lets me sell a little, then he deletes all the offers again as soon as he realizes that I'm not backing off. In fact, I have a plausible hypothesis to who this person is.
The problem is that I have no way whatsoever to deal with this kind of persons. Those ridiculously wealthy ones who hotkey 100 LMBs.
Well, from what you're saying, it doesn't seem like there's much of a solution. You even stated that yourself in your last comment, Metoxys. It seems you're assuming a lot. Who would really be out to get you like this? I have to agree with Bopp here. It's like I'm trying to win an auction against a super-rich player. Would it make sense for me to come on the forums and ask "How to deal with being outbid on the AH?"
With one big difference.
In the AH, those who outbid you act in their own best interest.
Whereas "outbidding" in the CE market jeopardizes your own profit margin as well.
Well, if someone wants to do this, why does it matter for you? Why are their motives important? The result for you is the same; you get cut off from what you want.
Like Nethergrim, I don't see the difference. Making higher buy-bids in one market (the Auction House) seems completely symmetric to making lower sell-bids in another market (energy). High buy-bids also "jeopardize your profit margin", meaning the difference between the item's price and the item's value to you.
This is beginning to sound a lot like a Nolidor thread.
their profit margin is probably higher than yours.
that is how a market works.
Ever considered not racing them? If you want to sell at x, and they want to sell at x-1, don't complain when your stuff doesn't sell.
If you switch your sell price to x-2, regardless of whether they leave their x-1 offer up or not, you're still getting exactly the amount of crowns that you placed your offer for. Stop complaining about having to sell CE cheap in a saturated market.
I can confirm there are a couple of people who are doing this. One is in it to monopolize the energy market for their own profit, the other is in it to stabilize the market so people can't abuse the profit margin that easily.
It's true that CE prices have recently rised, probably because people (including me) want to buy orbs to craft both new gunner update stuff and the winterfest reskins (and maybe decoration boxes). I wonder if it's possible, when we coordinate it well with a major part of the community, to somehow influence the CE market (like saying something like "If the price is over X crowns, we don't buy energy anymore). But that would require a huge coordination and there are always players who don't listen and just keep buying CE.
We could try something something like this however, wonder if it's gonna work.
Also note that once something that costs crowns is released CE prices lower. When the gunner update was released it lowered because people wanted to buy recipes from basil/AH. But soon it rose because of the orbs.
Nuke 'em.