Spiral Knights - Edge, carbine or crusher?

Edge, carbine or crusher?

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Fri, 01/30/2015 - 14:32

Jmmoormann

Since this event is really short (1 week only:(), most people (like me) might have no time to get enough sigils for all 3 weapons. So my question is:

Which one (or 2) should I (or others) craft first? With this I mean the weapon which has the greatest advantage compared to its non-event counterpart, regardless of my layout (sword, gun or bomb).

Obsidian Edge is said to be good, but Acheron's damage is still huge, so is it a lot better than the normal?

Obsidian Carbine is maybe not the strongest of the 3, but its poison makes it better against most enemies than the Sentenza. It lacks the Gremlin damage bonus however.

The last one, the Obsidian Crusher, is by far better than the normal Graviton Vortex. But is it overall better than the other 2?

Anyone can give me some advise on this?

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 14:39

Darklordskull

The Carbine is quite good, in

The Carbine is quite good, in comparison to similar weapons. It's better than the sentenza in PvE, although poison is less useful in lockdown.

The Acheron does more damage than the obsidian edge, but the edge's charge attack is quite good. If you can get a CTR on the edge, it's worth considering over the Acheron (again, not in lockdown)

Let's be honest here, the crusher looks epic. All I can say is this: the crusher would be killer in RJP, and mediocre elsewhere.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 14:56

Bopp

my two cents

It all depends on what weapons you currently have. For example, if you already have Acheron, then Obsidian Edge should be a very low priority. Also, as I explain below, the obsidian weapons are usually no better than their direct competitors. So none of these weapons is crucial. Get whatever seems fun and different from your current weapons.

Acheron is probably a little better than Obsidian Edge. But OE may be better than Acheron in some situations, such as spreading poison in a party. The two are well-balanced enough that I wouldn't recommend Acheron to somebody who already has OE.

Obsidian Carbine is better than Sentenza. Someday you will have enough damage bonus to make Sentenza's gremlin bonus partially useless, whereas OC's poison is always useful. But my actual opinion is that Umbra Driver (or probably Winter Grave or Grim Repeater) is better than either of these. So OC should be a low priority.

Obsidian Crusher is better than Graviton Vortex, but not as good as Electron Vortex. So get EV if you're serious about vortices (which are awesome by the way).

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 16:16

Flowchart

I probably use the edge more than the other two. Mostly in gremlin levels where a single charge won't kill them and there are menders around.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 22:28

Awoogawooga

I'd say it depends on what

I'd say it depends on what kind of player you are.

Like Bopp said, it's probably better to get a weapon in a category where you don't currently have an alternative.

That said, the Obsidian Crusher is pretty darn good if you're a Bomber. Vortexes are almost always good, and the OC gives you a clear upgrade over the GV. And it helps you inflict more statuses if you're a support-type Bomber.

Sat, 01/31/2015 - 07:54

Jmmoormann

Actually I don't have any of the alternatives (lvl 10 Silent Nightblade), so that is something that doesn't matter. I'm no LDer either, although I might become one.

Carbine is out, since I already have enough shadow guns (GR, shadow driver and the Tundrus I'm planning to craft). My loadout is mainly sword-orientated, but if Edge is not much better than Acheron I should probably go for the Crusher (and I asked which weapon is the best regardless of my other gear)

Sat, 01/31/2015 - 09:22

Bopp

sounds good

Obsidian Edge is definitely not better than Acheron. Obsidian Crusher is nice, especially if you're not into Lockdown and hence not planning to get Electron Vortex any time soon. So your plan sounds good. Happy travels.

Mon, 02/02/2015 - 12:19

Holy-Nightmare

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The Edge has that extremely useful poison, but it has stiff competition from the Acheron. Much like the Plague needle it has it's place as a support and heal counter weapon. In general each party needs just one in the group to simplify certain levels (ones plagued by menders).

The carbine is nice but the poison on regular shot is so low it isn't to much better, the charge has excellent poison chance but it is also very hard to use any Antigua charge.

The Crusher is my personal favorite, it is obviously superior since this class of bomb fits in the support role. The poison just adds to this making a great weapon. The poison and holding ability means you can poison enemies and hold them on mender healing symbols while the poison counters the healing and deals damage. In addition to this it pairs well with the VT since shock deals damage to nearby enemies and is affected by the defense drop of poison and the Vortex keeps enemies as close as possible and poisons them.

Mon, 02/02/2015 - 13:28

Fehzor

IMO the carbine is particularly useful because it's the only poison themed handgun (that isn't just flat out a bad weapon) in the game.

Mon, 02/02/2015 - 13:44

Holy-Nightmare

@ Fehzor

"Obsidian Carbine is the only poison themed handgun" Fehzor - 2015

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Plague_Needle
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Biohazard

*cough*

Mon, 02/02/2015 - 14:08

#10

Fehzor

Well yeah but those are just bad. I definitely didn't forget them, you just misquoted me there. Which is considered spam when I do it by the way. You on the other hand might be above such rules, but I certainly wasn't.

Mon, 02/02/2015 - 19:30

#11

Halandin

I like obsidian edge, I got

I like obsidian edge, I got it the first time Apocrea came around. Sure, not as likely to get a one-hit KO with it, but that can happen with a full party and not having loads of damage bonuses, or when just carrying a sword as a gunner or bomber, or against bosses, or in arenas.

OE is perfect for anything gremlin of course, since even if there aren't healers around grems will sometimes pop health pills, all arenas that are not undead, fiend, or poison themed, and RJP to prevent the boss from healing (although I tend to go with DR and maskeraith quills). The strong poison from it kills off mobs that are being healed more quickly that from weak poison like VV I believe, and it's also got all the usefulness of a sword on top of dealing poison.

I've been trying out my new crusher, and I'll admit it doesn't hold stuff well next to my tried and true EV. But, I've used it on some gremlin arenas... oh the death the destruction whenever healers come out, they may fly around afterwards, but getting that strong poison on them and slowing them down/bunching them for party members still works. I may have to try taking both vortexes and see how well they work together. EV is great for more stuff, but Crusher of course is better for grems and beasts. I haven't tried a 5* grav vortex, but since it's only advantage over crusher is more damage on a utility bomb, I think the crusher is probably the best to go for if you ever bomb.

I haven't tried or have either the carbine or blackhawk, never liked their mechanics.

Tue, 02/03/2015 - 09:28

#12

Holy-Nightmare

All weapons have their

All weapons have their place

Obsidian carbine has a low learning curve but a very low chance to poison.

Plague needle works as a switch shooting weapon (Magnus or Blitz switching) and has a slightly steeper learning curve but is rewarded with a slightly higher poison chance.

The Biohazard is very fun and situational weapon, very powerful if used right in those situations but they so rarely crop up that the massive difficulty curve doesn't make it worth it.

@ Halandin

Try pairing the Crusher with a VT, this way you can counter the typical vortex flinging and still get that shock and poison.

Tue, 02/03/2015 - 18:31

#13

Halandin

Yeah, going to have to try

Yeah, going to have to try that. Might be worth keeping 2 extra weapon slots going. :D

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 04:03

#14

Awoogawooga

A lot of people underestimate

A lot of people underestimate Vortex + Voltaic Tempest. Back in the day, I asked for suggestions of damaging bombs, and a player named Zeddy kept recommending that combo to me. I finally got Graviton + VT and tried it out and whoooo-boy, the destruction...

Since then, the Obsidian Crusher has come into circulation, so my current bombo is OC + VT. It's a fantastic combo for taking out entire maps worth of mobs in seconds. Just aggro/pull everything you can and then kill them all in 5 seconds flat. Not that great for taking out a few stragglers, but those shouldn't be a big risk.

If you're in a party, they might not realize what you're trying to do, but as a solo, it's a fantastic bombo.

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 04:35

#15

Halandin

Zeddy is my bomber hero

I haven't tried the Crusher+VT yet, but I have been experimenting with a couple other combos. Double vortexes--place an EV, then a crusher, repeat. The EV holds them still and shocks, the crusher adds on that strong poison goodness. Rather effective in non-fiend/non-shock arenas, except for turrets, but need a bit of an MSI boost to do well. Also tried Crusher/Voltedge combo instead of EV/obsid edge combo for RJP, I think it's less effective than the latter, you have to be quicker to hit the vortex before it explodes (and to hit all the mobs with the brandish charge).

My "typical" damage bomber loadout is DR, DBB, and gigawatt, so I don't carry a vortex quite as often as I could. I can add one on if I'm running a 4th weap slot, but to add VT also would require leaving the gun behind--only want to do that if you have the internet connection ans skill to deal with turrets with just bombs, and hopefully a decent party with good turret-destroying gear that focuses on getting the turrets for you. Perhaps I should try an arena without DBB or DR, like with crusher, VT, AoA, and a pulsar...

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 06:48

#16

Almond-Riddle

All hail Zeddy, the greater bomb god

VT + Crusher is probably one of my favourite combos. Though I have 3rd weapon slot and usually add my Volcanic Pepperbox for the final shot.

Sun, 02/08/2015 - 06:52

#17

Krakob

I'd like to request that someone makes a video demonstrating a vortex combined with Voltaic Tempest!

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