Spiral Knights - Herex COULD be our Final boss.

Herex COULD be our Final boss.

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Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:17

Glitch-Incarnate

1. He steals the Artifact
2. In spark and roar, on the Module:
"Only Herex sees and hears the truth. Only Herex will prevail. Follow Herex and you will be sparred" Note that this is in an area similar to a Shadow Lair, Hmmm...
3. "The others must never know. Silence them." -H This is what you will read when you kill a Ghostmane Stalker. This is on 10-1 missions, NOW we get to the big deal.
4. 10-1, They came from below, Desna and her danger squad are destroyed by the swarm, and through 10-1 we are reminded of Herex.
You go INTO The swarm.
"Only Herex sees and hears the truth. Only Herex will prevail. Follow Herex and you will be sparred."
Herex wants to release the swarm, and take over cradle.

Thoughts? Discuss below!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:00

Wolf-Fighter

"Herex wants to release the

"Herex wants to release the swarm, and take over cradle." *sarcastic voice* OH realy??? how did you got to this idea?
no honestly you just know it now? did you ever done a shadow lair? or read the story before these missions? xD i know this since 2013 already xD
nothing new realy ... heres another shocking new: the swarm is in the core... thats why gremlins attacking us ... the core is more like a prison now but the swarm even destroys the core a bit... the core can't hold the swarm forever... you see how the swarm finds a way out of the core.. if herex release it it will be tottaly chaos.. (or at least it should be)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:08

Midnight-Dj

Lol, are you sure Herex is the one who is trying to open the core? Maybe it was core the one who is trying to manipulate Herex into opening its prison.

PLOT THICKENS

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:54

Abelisk

Midnight-Dj: But actually, the core is being controlled by Feron to control Herex to open the core (Because Feron thinks the Skylark is inside of the core).

PLOT THICKENS

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:10

Leafblader

moo

But actually Feron is being controlled by Bosco who thinks that the core has enough energy to fix his Mecha-knight.

PLOT THICKENS

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:15

Karituo

Who IS he?

Herex is someone you meet mid game, but let's not forget about the other gremlin masters like Razwog, King Tinkinzar, Warmaster (DLC), and Sputterspark. Razwog, Sputter, and Warmasters are (insert spoilers here) so what about the King and Herex? are they going to battle with each other, or are they enemies fighting each other with different rulings? Maybe Herex IS the King.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 23:04

Red-Galaxy

Don't we still have to worry

Don't we still have to worry about the Morai?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 23:39

Crazee-Pi-Forum

True dedication takes effort, hard work, and a whole lot of tea.

Bosco is however being controlled by Kozma, who wants to manipulate the energy prices in a way so that people will buy her stuff, probably making it so that you can only buy energy through her.

PLOT THICKENS

Also, we then get Kozma prize boxes.

PLOT THICKENS!

Also also, Kozma is secretly a penguin-snipe hybrid.

PLOT THICKENS!!!!!

Gee, this plot is getting pretty thick...

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 03:32

Almond-Riddle

@Crazee-Pi

That's what she said!

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 04:32

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

There's still 6 other members of the order and tinkizar
The swarm was already released, that's a fact, if it was still trapped wherever it was we wouldn't be able to fight it

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 06:16

#10

Glitch-Incarnate

Arent they dead?

Arent Sputter and Razwog dead? And Seerus is just a part of OCH and is already a boss.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 06:49

#11

Arylide

Nothing

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 12:25

#12

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

@dusk I'm guessing your ignoring me here too

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 13:18

#13

Dubeous

Herex

If the swarm is in the core then why is the path to the core sealed? and why does a elevator take us back to haven from the swarm in mission 10-1? Also Sputterspark isn't a member of the crimson order. He was probably hired by Seerus himself to design more advanced weaponry such as the sparkcaster. Although in the same mission the swarm appears in the clockworks tunnels. Probably because it was already released. That means that Herex released the swarm and that the artifact found in depth 1 is some kind of key to the swarm's prison but not the core.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 14:43

#14

Glitch-Incarnate

@Vohtarak

Sorry, my bad.

Yes, the swarm was already released, seeing as though we aren't in the core when looking at the gate map, maybe the swarm just needed a push to start spreading more effectively.
as for Tinkinzar's and Herex's relation, look back to "Follow Herex and you will be spared", what king follows a rebel? I'm calling a war :P

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 15:43

#15

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

@zurgo, take a look at the echo stones, the swarm is definitely NOT in the core

@dusk, good point on the possible war, but it might be that he is talking about being spared from the swarm, as we know that it destroys or infects anything it comes into contact with, and he is obviously doing something with it
And he seemed more like a deserter than a rebel, because he disappeared from his duty in monitoring the knights(screen after the boss fight in built to destroy) and ordered his bioweapons facility to be burned down(compound 42)

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 16:41

#16

Xaphak

Imagine if in the end, the

Imagine if in the end, the Crimson Order and the Knights end up teaming up to take out Herex. After all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right?

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 17:16

#17

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

I'm not sure if we would team up on anything, as we know both of the crimson order members we have heard of aren't in optimal mental health, so its likely that tinkizar is also insane/corrupt too, and chances are they don't know how dangerous the swarm really is, or they would have wiped it out/were fighting it by the time the knights crash landed

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 17:18

#18

Glitch-Incarnate

@Xaphak

But isn't the enemy of my enemy whose supposed to be my friend my enemy as well? and if they're my enemy then that makes Herex their friend when he's their enemy?

PLOT THICKENS.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 20:08

#19

Dubeous

@Oohnorak No, I wrote that

@Oohnorak
No, I wrote that the swarm was not in the core, that's what other people were saying and I was simply correcting them. :P
and yes, the swarm is in the clockworks and there is a working elevator to haven in the swarm's domain...
We're doomed. D:

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 21:31

#20

Spark-Of-Hope

but

the truth....
the "king" that the nine follow is a fraud and the whole gremlin society is based off of lies and herex discovers this...

and now he goes to the oldest thing on the cradle for answers.... the swarm!!!!
....

the skylark crashing was still an inside job someone made the ship shield fail... that's what i meant in my old post the laser shouldn't have made our ship go boom easily... and in the game many knights are confused on why it crashed as if they assumed that it would have hold...

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 04:41

#21

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

@zurg I have no memory of writing that comment tbh, but sorry for reading that wrong

@spark where does it say the skylark has shields? And the knight attacking lasers break our personal shields in 3 hits, so it actually makes more sense that a laser of that size would do the same to a giant ship

And if king tinkizar was a fraud that would mean its the order doing things while pretending to just he carrying out orders
And the swarm is not the oldest thing on cradle, that would be the architect and what's in the core itself, the echo stones say that the swarm was released after the being became trapped in the core

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 09:29

#22

Krakob

The real final boss is pollution and the massive usage of coal and oil.

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Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:55

#23

Gwenyvier

I think the final boss is

I think the final boss is Njthug. I haven't seen him for a while, I think he started the a guild for the Swarm...

~Gwen

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:31

#24

Fangel

Oh snap

I think the final boss is Njthug. I haven't seen him for a while, I think he started the a guild for the Swarm...
D-Don't worry about Nj. He's just... Being busy. Hey, if you have time, can we take a walk into this ominous alleyway?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 16:17

#25

Gwenyvier

As long as I can bring my

As long as I can bring my hammer Fangel. :D Never know when I'm gonna need to squish somebody.

~Gwen

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 17:33

#26

Spark-Of-Hope

@vohtarak

the ship shields are greater than our personal shield so... still some knight somewhere said something about the ships sheilds

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 17:58

#27

Modicu

The thing here though is that

The thing here though is that SOMEONE has to know how to manipulate and control the Swarm.

The gremlins themselves have clearly tried to, but alas, have failed to do so, many times. In the unknown passage, you can see dead gremlins at the very beginning of the place, because they're trying to control a power that is beyond their own abilities, let alone it could be controlling them, for all we know. The gremlins are using Cradle's core to their own will, and so maybe they're trying to control it but are failing to control all of it.

This could also bring about that the gremlins are trying to stop us from being corrupted by the core, as some of their own have been met with this fate. This popped up in my head because they likely weren't the ones to have gunned down the Skylark, but rather it was a manifestation of the core's energy (or the swarm) that brought it down. Not to mention, they all seem to fear the core's potential at times.

Maybe Herex found a way to "control" the swarm and is the one releasing it? That would explain how the Recon Rangers were bested by it; they weren't expecting a threat quite like that, as well as the strange appearance of the swarm next to a green Crimson Order insignia.

This would mean that the swarm is no longer able to be contained in the unknown passage, or was given an opening by someone, to escape out into and infect the Clockworks.

T'is strange, no?

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 00:48

#28

Midnight-Dj

The way I see it, the Swarm and the mist (pure energy) are two equal and opposite energy, one represents order, the other represents chaos.

Swarm in this case becomes the embodiment of chaos and disorder, which is the one thing that Herex wants to bring into the clockwork. Destruction of the crimson order and lord Tinkinzar will bring anarchy to the clockwork. Without anyone cleaning up and salvage old clockwork levels, cradle could soon become paralyzed by disrepair.

Gremlins are unlikely attacking us for our own good, they are probably too busy trying to collect the dead after a group of Spiral knights crashed into a deconstruction zone. I wouldn't be surprised if the crimson order only sees their troops as expandable meat bags. Gremlins are scumbags, that fact remains true, but that is no reason to kill them.

"I am the hissing blade that whispers your doom. Tear down every wall and cog in this accursed place and you will find only shadows."-Herex

Let me translate that for you:

I will use swarm to tear down cradle's infrastructure and then shadow will be all that is left of clockwork.

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 03:29

#29

Shadow-Anubis

In my opinion Herex is maybe

In my opinion Herex is maybe going to be side boss ( I really want to fight him ) but definitely not a final boss

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 07:52

#30

Crazee-Pi-Forum

True dedication takes effort, hard work, and a whole lot of tea.

@Gwenyvier

Njthug, Luguiru, Jim-Dale, and every other incredibly famous SK forumer are all actually alts of Eurydice, meaning that Eurydice is the final boss.

PLOT THICKENS!

This plot is so thick I could drop it from a plane and it wouldn't break.

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 06:53

#31

Gwenyvier

Does that mean that I too am

Does that mean that I too am an alt of Eurydice?

~Newg?

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 07:41

#32

Krakob

How about me? I wanna be Eury's alt too!

THOT PLICKENS

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 11:22

#33

Fangel

No Patrick, mayonnaise is not an instrument.

No Krakob, you're not an alt.

Cobalt is not an alt either.

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 12:47

#34

Glitch-Incarnate

Lies.

They are both alts.

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 13:49

#35

Abelisk

Hey, I wanna be an alt! :(

Sun, 02/15/2015 - 03:33

#36

Glitch-Incarnate

@Itsmeandersonlol

Then ^ applies to u

Thu, 02/19/2015 - 12:15

#37

Gbot-Vtwo

"Hey, I wanna be an alt! :(" So you are saying, that you want Eurydice to steal your account, and use It as her own?

Sun, 02/15/2015 - 13:21

#38

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

@cyber
The core doesn't corrupt things, its trapped, where did you get that idea?
Also, the swarm has a mind of its own and was already released by the architect, it consumes everything and anything
this is all canon lore directly from the echo stones

@spark
I went over that already, small scale lasers in the clockworks break our shields in 2 or 3 hits, lasers the size shown in the intro would likely break the skylarks shields just as effectively

Mon, 02/16/2015 - 08:34

#39

Glitch-Incarnate

I'm a Ginger. Gingers steal souls.

How would herex actually opperate as a boss? Him behaving like a Ghostmane stalker?

Mon, 02/16/2015 - 12:53

#40

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

Most likely, but with a sort of twist, seerus acted like a boss type Thwacker, but its gonna be a really long fight if the boss (herex ) does his best to stay invisible

Mon, 02/16/2015 - 15:04

#41

Glitch-Incarnate

Maybe...

In his attempt to control the swarm, he becomes infected, and is one of the swarm.

Mon, 02/16/2015 - 16:41

#42

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

There is no indication that herex is trying to control the swarm, just that they have something to do with each other, so its just as likely that he was infected by the swarm before he deserted the order

Tue, 02/17/2015 - 06:15

#43

Glitch-Incarnate

I'm a Ginger.

This could explain why he wants to awaken it, to infect more and more people

Tue, 02/17/2015 - 11:41

#44

Fangel

Well think about it...

I've recently been helping a few friends go through the tutorial again. Razwog was doing some tests on the artifact, and was doing it for Herex in secret. Eventually he steals it back, but still...

Herex knew the artifact did something. At the end of boss lairs we see the sort of things that the artifact was a part of. He likely knows it can bring great power, hence all the things about how he is the "only true" gremlin and how others need to follow him.
What I believe will happen is Herex has released the swarm to gain power, but he is unable to contain it.

Now that I think about it, if Herex is our new boss, a shadow lair of his boss level would be the first one to actually make sense!

Tue, 02/17/2015 - 16:38

#45

Glitch-Incarnate

Those aren't artifact pieces

They're recon modules left behind from the alpha squad, yes, they're listed under artifact in your arsenal, but it says recon module.

Tue, 02/17/2015 - 17:19

#46

Fangel

Not talking about modules

I'm talking about the artifact.
The thing in the tutorial missions.
The thing Herex steals back from you.

Yeah, that thing. The end of Royal Jelly Palace and Firestorm Citadel have "slots" for an artifact-sized thing.
I have all the echo stones so I'd hope I'd know the difference between a recon module and the artifact.

Thu, 02/19/2015 - 18:46

#47

Glitch-Incarnate

My bad :P Also did I mention I'm a ginger?

As for core actually opening, what would be inside? the sanctuary? then again shadow lairs would be rendered useless...maybe a final boss, then a sanctuary of prize boxes, like danger missions!

Thu, 02/19/2015 - 20:01

#48

King-Nub-Nubs

Nice to meet you, Ginger-Spice!

I wouldn't say "Final" boss, he more fits in the line of semi-final. Think about It. He Is trying his best to keep the artifact away from you. We know It's a key. I even saw something using Spiral Spy about the core but I can't explain It because that's against the ToS. But It's possible that he would meet you where the core Is, you fight him and defeat him, and then you collect the key and open the core(Ok maybe not the core part but you get the point.)

Thu, 02/19/2015 - 21:05

#49

Vohtarak-Forum

I'm vohtarak, call me by that name

The key fits those odd elevator like things, but there's no keyhole for the core

And the sanctuary elevator goes down to get you to the core, besides, if it was in the core then the being trapped in there would meet us in the sanctuary, or we meet it

Thu, 02/19/2015 - 21:16

#50

Doctorspacebar

Hmm, I'll have to play through the new missions. Now, hopefully my computer can operate Sp'Knights at a playable speed...

I wonder, will we fight the source of the Swarm? Or will we be forced to contain it and keep it from spreading? In the latter case, Herex being a final boss sounds much more likely, but either way he's definitely the type to be a late-game boss.

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Herex COULD be our Final boss.