These still to the general populace the best guns for DPS?
Storm + Magma + Blitz + Grim Repeater still the best guns?
Mon, 02/23/2015 - 15:11
Mon, 02/23/2015 - 16:23
#2
About Magnuses
Still don't know what does more damage.
Magnus charge or Blitz Charge. Because that difference would get amplified with enough bonuses and time.
Mon, 02/23/2015 - 17:28
#3
don't know, but
I don't have numbers on magnus charges vs. autogun charges. You can look on the wiki, and see what you can find. What I can say is:
* Krakob is right that magnuses have joined autoguns and alchemers as the big charge-oriented guns.
* Magnus charges knock back monsters not in the direction of the projectile, but rather in the direction of the monster's back. If you shoot a monster in its front, then the knockback carries the monster along the charge attack for massive damage (like Combuster/Acheron/Obsidian Edge charges). But if you shoot a monster in its side or back, then the knockback causes the monster to evade the rest of the charge attack. So magnus charges have to be carefully arranged.
* Winter Grave's freeze cancels knockback and hence lessens the damage from the charge (like Glacius charges). I do not recommend that gun.
Mon, 02/23/2015 - 21:48
#4
I mean best is awfully suggestive. Most of the guns in game are now viable and fairly useful in a good many situations.
Mon, 02/23/2015 - 23:10
#5
Winter Grave may not have the
Winter Grave may not have the DPS that Iron Slug would have, but the freeze is useful for other situations. For instance, gremlins, which are weak to shadow and the charge attack either kills, knocks them away from you, or freezes them in place, giving you time to charge the gun again. It is also very useful for vortexes in non-freeze levels, it pairs well with the crusher which does not hold enemies like an EV does. Crusher and Winter Grave are a great combo for slimes and gremlins, both of which often have healers with them. The blast does loads of damage, and holds the mobs in place through the last vortex explosion.
I haven't made an Iron Slug yet, but my Mega Tundrus pretty much always freezes puppies on the charge if they don't die, so it's easier to dodge bullets while charging again.
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 04:35
#6
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
A magnus kills enemies just as well as a blitz for me (I've had both)
However, magnuses have a pretty bad reputation that will take a LONG time to fix, so you don't see many people with them
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 05:53
#7
Has anyone tried magnuses in
Has anyone tried magnuses in place of blitzes for vana yet? They wouldn't break freeze as much as a blitz would, don't know how the damage would compare since I doubt that vana would get pushed back while taking damage.
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 08:36
#8
@Oohnorak
I really don't think that magnus line weapons will take a LONG time to fix their reputation at all actually. Brandishes had a bad rep when the game came out, and it took them all of about a week to be seen as "good" and about half a year to be seen as much stronger than divine avenger/gran faust, the dominant swords of the time.
http://media.spiralknights.com/wiki-images/d/df/Acheron_comic.jpg
Blitz needle was also incredibly unpopular eons ago- having to stand still around beasts and fiends bothered people more than you would ever know. Then someone made a youtube video showing the popular shivermist buster+blitz needle strategy and it spread like wildfire, enticing people to practice with the gun and making it into what it is today.
Callahan, winter grave, and iron slug are easily in the same boat as the brandishes post update at this point, and I'm already seeing a number of players that are completely new to the game craft and use the line effectively.
@Halandin
I don't believe that callahan and iron slug pierce Vanaduke like you think they do, making them somewhat powerful but not quite the blitz needle substitute you're looking for. The thing they're REALLY REALLY good at though is killing the guards near Vanaduke, as their charge attack can go through the deadnaut/guard's shield and deal damage to them from the front, back, side, wherever. It's somewhat unreliable at this, but the distance and frequency you can charge at make it more than plausible.
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 09:02
#9
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
Still, I've seen a total of 5 people with magnuses after the gunner update, excluding me, and I get a lot of comments from people criticizing my triple magnus load out from them still thinking they're useless
And its newer players who people tell to avoid "bad" weapons, I've actually had to explain to a few how magnuses even work, so knowing that veterans who dont read patch notes are advising noobs, its not as positive as you might think
And its not as good as blitz on vana, but its a good alternative if you don't have a blitz
@fehzor it seems to pierce most reliably while they're dashing at you, but you need to time it well to avoid getting lanced in the face
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 09:04
#10
Haha yeah. Five people using slug is a considerable amount compared to the zero I saw being used seriously before the update. Before the update I didn't use my slug or callahan as often either- I had it only on a rare selection of loadouts that were kind of dubious to begin with.
I've also had more ease hitting deadnauts from the side towards their rear, so that it only barely has to deal with the shield. Of course the thing hits like a truck when it connects, so even 2-3 hits are pretty fantastic.
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 09:04
#11
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
Technically 2 of them were Callahans in lockdown, and those people were using them before the GU
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 09:07
#12
I mean I could be wrong- the bulk of people I see using it are experienced players that enjoy handguns, but when people see me get in that beautiful charge attack they're always impressed. That alone will probably turn things around for the gun in terms of popularity.
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 15:07
#13
@Fehzor: I meant that since
@Fehzor: I meant that since vana doesn't get pushed back, we WOULDN't take as much damage from magnus. :D
I've seen quite a few people with tundruses of various levels, I had a grand time yesterday with another guy with a mega tundrus in a decon zone, we were switching out sending charge shots at all the gremlins as they came. They didn't have a chance lol.
The only reason I haven't gotten an Iron Slug yet is that it's only normal damage at 5*, and would be a pain to heat on top of the Crusher I'm leveling up.
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 16:37
#14
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The thing about vanaduke is fireball (probably his big body too) "wall" would stop the magnus charge like brandishes charge (on second thought I should double check this fact later when I play). The maximum hits I could get to a monster are 4 times per charge (to roarmulus twins or lumber). That's including the bullet exploded adding another hit after reaching maximum range.
Blitz is more oriented on narrow targets, while magnus has "line"spread AoE, so their role is a bit different at FSC. You mostly want vortex bomb to help magnus damage significantly while blitz is kinda meh attitude on vortex.
The fascinating thing I found about Iron Slug is the perfect support weapon. You saw party members unawared of monster trying to slap them, you aim charge to that monster that pull it away and stun them hence easier dodge for your party members. You may do the same role with heavy damage weapons but wall of monsters could be a problem while magnus could easily ignore it. And then you care about monster face direction when you aim for dps, just like everyone else said.
Tue, 02/24/2015 - 18:51
#15
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
The magnuses go through the fireballs fine, its just that they get stopped by vana, who acts like a wall
Sun, 03/01/2015 - 14:08
#16
New Magnus is fun. I tend to use my Mega Magnus against Zombies, and its highly satisfying watching them go flying across the screen and taking massive amounts of damage. Its now the gun version of the brandish (with its own set of quirks) and is fun to use, but does require a bit more setup.
I never really used it before the update, since the basic attack was meh, and the charge virtually useless. After the update, its my go to weapon for graveyards, being able to devastate a horde after I've woken them up. Works well on phantoms as well, and the charge can knock them back even while invisible (only eyes showing).
As for Vana, the charge hits several times, and has a good chance of dealing stun. I used it in one run where we got to Vana and realized no-one brought a shiv or stagger. Really useful during the body phases provided I could keep stun on.
Need to get me a Magnus with CTR Med or better so I can turn it into an Iron Slug. Was going to go for a Callahan, but post gunner, Iron Slug is probably much better.
But on topic, there is no 'best gun'. Each gun has its pros and cons. Blitz/Repeater is good for punishing single enemies, while Storm/Magma is good for spreading status among a crowd or killing constructs.
Nova contests Magma pretty well. More direct damage, which is probably better if you're gonna be using it constantly and not just as a side-arm. It's also way better in FSC, which is a huge plus for many. I'm not so sure why you'd want Storm as opposed to just using more Nova, but I suppose it's quite respectable anyway. If you're going for a weapon set like the one you described, you might as well.
All in all, you're kinda right. Alchemers and Autoguns are top tier guns. What you appear to not have thought about is Magnuses, though. They're among the best guns nowadays, boasting insane amounts of damage on the charge attacks in a way quite similar to Brandishes. Being a swordsman with no proper 5* Magnus, I haven't tried them myself though, but I'm sure others could fill you in on the details.
If you want a 4 weapons, guns only, top DPS set, I'd suggest something like Iron Slug, Nova Driver, Blitz Needle, and Grim Repeater. You got a diverse set of both gun types and damage types and every single one of these guns are without a doubt insanely overpowered.