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Wed, 02/25/2015 - 20:24
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv

Ok. Here I go: (lol lab report fomat kind of)

Statement: The Volcanic Pepperbox. Significant amount of less damage than the blitz but deals normal damage and has fire. My problem: My brother thinks its super crap because its knockback reduces its damage and u can only land 2 shots per the 6. Is this true?

Pros I found:
-Causes fire
-Ultimatly awesome particle effect
-OP in roarmulus
-Fire does a reasonable amount of damage

Cons:
-Does significant less dmagae than Blitz
-Fire does NOT make it up
-WORST gun to use in Vana (other than shadow ones of course)

Conclusion: Is this gun crap? I'm a gunslinger, I'm wondering if I'm gonna get it. Its up to you guys. Is this a wast of money or not? How much does the knockback reduce the damage... or if it does at all?

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 22:53
#1
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

Pepperbox is more of a controlling weapon than a DPS weapon IMO. The DPS, while respectable, is more of a nice bonus. Here is an old video from before the gunner patch that shows off what I mean.

EDIT**
Oh and before Fehzor get's mad, here's another Pepperbox video

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 01:58
#2
Neometal's picture
Neometal
antiguas 4 life

While I don't have a VP, I do own a Grim Repeater which also has the same knockback effect, and I can tell you even if you land a few less shots w/ it due to the kb, it'll still wreck anything which isn't strong vs shadow dmg (ofc you need to be standing somewhat close to monsters to do the most dmg). One charge-shotting lumbers and mecha knights, heck yeah!

As you said, the VP's dmg even with the fire (and its not so recent buff) is less than the Blitz/GR's dmg vs neutral enemies, which can cover all 6 monster families.

I personally consider it crap, not due to the kb, rather the less dmg it can output. Unless you are a collector, or have some extra funds, don't get it, stick w/ blitz/gr.

If it had the skin as the other 5* autoguns, I may'd have got it, a red blitz would look bada$$, but atm it looks like a stupid toy imo.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 03:08
#3
Krakob's picture
Krakob

It's in the same spot as Plague Needle at this point, I'd say. It's strong, but in reality there's no point in using it over Grim Repeater/Blitz Needle because those are stronger.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 08:40
#4
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

It has the usual pros of normal damage and it pulls it off fairly well. The grim repeater and blitz needle combination is incredibly powerful, but lacking on certain levels despite "covering all 6 monster families".. for instance, ghosts in the machine features construct and undead, making volcanic pepperbox the best option. Vanaduke's mask and tortodrones are also weak to normal damage, which should make volcanic pepperbox a better fit than either blitz needle or grim repeater... so it isn't completely useless and terrible.

The real selling point is that its normal hits inflict fire and can be used to ignite crowds of enemies at a distance, making it good for hit and run tactics that are less applicable with blitz needle and grim repeater. This gives it more utility in some ways than blitz needle/grim repeater, but utility that isn't really associated with autoguns because of how awful it was on blitz needle prior to the gunner update. Generally the role of high single target damage is more valuable than the offense+support oriented role of lighting enemies on fire and softening crowds for team mates to crush, but valuable in a different sense.

You're also looking at a weapon that works just about everywhere, so if you wanted a starting loadout that would get you through to the post-vanguard missions with as little crafting as possible, volcanic pepperbox would do the job incredibly well. It counters all three of the major bosses, and can even help out a bit on post game content.

Lastly the knockback doesn't have to be bad for it. You just need to get closer and understand how far back they'll get pushed to land all of it. When you've got that down, the knockback becomes beneficial. The technique showed in my video should still work, even though the gun has been changed. What a nostalgic video by the way. I was so bad at the game back then, in retrospect.

@Traevelliath "And before Fehzor gets mad..."

HOW DARE YOU MENTION TSUBASA'S PEPPERBOX FILM WITH MINE AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT? >:0

Naw, I really don't care that much. Tsubasa's is probably a bit nicer than mine anyway.

Fri, 02/27/2015 - 21:12
#5
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
...

Umm... So its not so bad? Should I get it? Cause right now what I'm seeing is that its not good nor bad, but I want it because it sets fire. Which does ALOT of damage. And it sets fire on NORMAL attacks, making it kinda awesome. Should I go for it?

And Fehzor, I think Tsubasa's video was better, showed the knockback was useful, even in Vana with fire monsters. Get mad Fehzor. MWAHAHAH (lol)

-Nert

Sat, 02/28/2015 - 16:09
#6
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Really it depends on where you are in the game and how you play. If you play as a hybrid class and are comfortable with abusing types of damage (e.g. point damage, crowd control, finishing moves) more than just damage types (normal, elemental, piercing, shadow), then it'll be a pretty good option for you, provided you need what it offers. There are a lot of other items that would take precedent over it and are more significant on the whole, but it's a good item to have around.

Or if you're at the start of the game and are ahead of the curve. It would make an excellent starting weapon for someone that can handle it.

Mon, 03/02/2015 - 05:10
#7
Starskystrike's picture
Starskystrike
IMO..

Peppy series are very useful(almost anywhere!) except for lockdown mainly due to the rooting .
Otherwise peppy series are BOSS.It does really high amount of damage, plus fire. As a pepperbox user ,I would really recommend using the peppy series.It may not be that powerful when compared to the other auto series, but you won't have to invest much cr for every type of damage gun. And yea volcanic pepperbox is powerful!

(P.S -> it looks the best among the other guns!)

Mon, 03/02/2015 - 12:08
#8
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
....

This gun can do lots of work

High knockback and flinch make it useful defensively
The high damage makes it good offensively
The Fire makes for a good hit and run play

It's a good sidearm for sword users who want something to hit whatever their swords are resisted by.

Mon, 03/02/2015 - 18:09
#9
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
Okay...

:D
I got a Fiery Pepperbox now, and I luv it <3
Great for control fire and it can take down lumbers in its respected stratum with one charge. Awesome!!

Lol another question that may be off-topic (kind of)...:

Is the Plague Needle good for a poison gun? In Wiki, the damage chart shows lowest of all the autoguns. Cause I'm trying to find a poison weapon that does reasonable damage, and there arn't many to chose from. I also want it to be usable on Vana (sorry, Biohazard and Obsidian Carbine) and I want it to be a gun because I'm a gunslinger (bye bye, Dread Venom Striker). So it only leaves Plague Needle. I also noticed that in video's, it seems the plague needle's poison is more common than Dread Venom Striker. Is that true? Also, I want a Obsidian Carbine, but the only item in my arsenal that is worth about the same is my Obsidian Edge with CTR Med. And its binded. :(

Thanks for all your help! Your really deciding my gameplay/aresnal!

-Nert (best nave evar [totally])

Mon, 03/02/2015 - 19:35
#10
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

Plague Needle is a perfectly usable gun. It's damage is indeed lower than the other Autoguns. However, it's still an autogun, so it'll still rip stuff up.

Although if you want mass poison: Venom Veiler.

Mon, 03/02/2015 - 21:56
#11
Halandin's picture
Halandin
Or you can just use a

Or you can just use a maskeraith and have poison wherever you want it, as well as the most damaging sprite attack. :D

Mon, 03/02/2015 - 23:07
#12
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Plague needle has the potential to be much better than blitz needle, but never really gets to use that potential. Specifically, in the presence of a healer it would get boosted damage via the healer, and that boosted damage could easily put it over the top.

Damage with blitz: Some number - amount healed
Damage with plague: A bit less + amount damaged by healer

As the amount healed rises, so does the worth of bringing plague needle over blitz needle. The problem is that venom veiler does a much better job of all this healer reversing, and that there just aren't areas where this is applicable as blitz either one shots, still does more damage overall or can just be used to kill the mender.

Plague needle can also be used to buff people using blitz needle against Vanaduke, but if you've got 4 people needling Vanaduke then you aren't going to need the buff anyway.

You can use it effectively as as a support weapon to debuff crowds of enemies, though it's hard to quantify how much support you're actually giving and I really can't say how effective this actually is and again, just use venom veiler.

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 08:59
#13
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
......

Switch shooting Plague/Blitz can get respectable numbers and is very fun

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 15:51
#14
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
Ah ok

Than... I'm gonna get Venom Veiler as my poisonous weapon. 1 more thing:

Should I get a shade helm?Cause right now Cyclops Cap is ma helmet, and.... it has no defence. I'm not gonna get Shadowsun cause personally, I'm not allowed that much play time, so I cannot get 5* items easily. Need to nudge it :( So is the 4* shade helm good? Which effect should I get, or should I get a Sentinel Helm? [I want shade helm cause most of t3 is shadow]

-Nert

EDIT: Person that helps me most in this thread (Prediction: Fehzor) get 500cr as a appreciation gift (lol)

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 17:40
#15
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

1. I'd go for the 3* black kat hat for ice levels if you don't have something of that genre. Shouldn't be too hard to save up for/find.

2. The gunner armors are great, but Seerus is better in a lot of cases. You'll also get a free bomb/sword. How nice.

3. The new gunner armors are still great. Especially the ones that have unique status resistance+defense combinations.. like shadow+shock. If you already have Seerus and want a shadow+shock or shadow+fire setup, go for them. They do get their charge time reduction at 5* though, so you'll want to upgrade to that (and proceed to leave it at level 1) at some point. The gunner sets don't have very good defense, but they're offensively potent and having a unique combination of damage resist and status resist is always better than just having defense.

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 17:57
#16
Bopp's picture
Bopp
what do you want the helmet for?

Should I get a shade helm?Cause right now Cyclops Cap is ma helmet, and.... it has no defence. I'm not gonna get Shadowsun cause personally, I'm not allowed that much play time, so I cannot get 5* items easily. Need to nudge it :( So is the 4* shade helm good? Which effect should I get, or should I get a Sentinel Helm? [I want shade helm cause most of t3 is shadow]

What's your other armor piece? Maybe you already have enough shadow defense.

If you want the helmet for shadow defense, then why would you even consider Sentinel?

You should probably get Firefly, for the sake of Firestorm Citadel. Definitely do not get Snakebite. But (as Fehzor says) Seerus is probably better. So consider that too.

My general advice is that you don't spend much of your resources on armor. Get a decent set, and then spend your resources trying different weapon styles.

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 18:37
#17
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
Chaoss!!!!!!

Bopp's wining right now

Well, I'm probably gonna get it at 4* for awhile because, as I said, I'm crap at getting a 5* legit. I don't even have a polaris, my gigawatt is heat level 8 and I'm out of crystals :(
My other armor piece is Chaos Mantle, so.... I need a decent status defense and defense in general. And what shield should I get? I use volcanic plate but... not so great. I'm thinking Omega Shell. Is that good?
Yeah, I have PMoS, but considering the fact that it does NOT have damage bonus, I prefer Cyclops/Shadowsun/Shade/Sentinel/Pathfinder over it.

-Nert

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 19:02
#18
Bopp's picture
Bopp
just keep the shield

Don't get another shield if you're having trouble finishing the 4- and 5-star items you have. Volcanic Plate is fine for defense. But consider getting Swiftstrike Buckler for offense. Even if you don't like it, you haven't wasted much money. (Haven't we been through all of this already?)

You already have a decent Firestorm Citadel set (Seerus with Chaos). So choose your Shade armor to have shock or freeze resistance.

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 19:38
#19
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
Yeah...

I have swifstrike (heat level 10 lol) but:
1. defence too low
2. I cannot notice the ASI at all. I think its very minimal for guns or something, especially on my antigua/silversix. Which is why I want a new shield in defensive terms.
And I was thing shade+chaos for FSC (with shade being the helmet and fire) shock super-downside is OK as a shield can block shock. And why do I need 5*? In the wiki (and I know that you edited this) it says that heat lvl10 for 4* is heat lvl7 or 8 for 5*. Which is soooo hard, as radiants are super-rare. So I am thinking only get my Pulsar to 5* for explosion radii... Volcanic Peppy as no gameplay changes at all, Venom Veiler doesn't, Blitz doesnt, Avenger does but the 2 extra swords are not so good compared to 50-60 pips of damage... so who needs 5*?

-Nert

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 20:05
#20
Bopp's picture
Bopp
response

defence too low...I cannot notice the ASI at all. I think its very minimal for guns or something, especially on my antigua/silversix.

You are right that Swiftstrike breaks very quickly. But ASI has about the same effect on guns as on swords: about 4%. See the wiki page Abilities. (I haven't seen studies since the gunner update, but ASI probably hasn't changed.) You don't notice it much on antiguas because those guns already require very fast clicking and your finger probably gets tired. No kidding.

And I was thing shade+chaos for FSC (with shade being the helmet and fire) shock super-downside is OK as a shield can block shock.

In FSC, normal and fire protection are most important. After that maybe elemental is next most important. Shadow is not very important, because its main source is zombies, which are easily dodged. The most dangerous threats (Vanaduke, slag guards, trojans) are mostly normal. I would much rather wear Seerus+Chaos than 4*Shade+Chaos in FSC.

There's not much shock in FSC --- just an occasional trojan buff attack, which is easily dodged. Not worth thinking about. I was recommending shock protection for other missions.

shock super-downside is OK as a shield can block shock

In case you don't know, shields don't block attacks anything like armor does. A shield doesn't protect you at all when you aren't using it. You might read the wiki page Shield or Shieldbearer Guide if this is news to you.

Tue, 03/03/2015 - 20:15
#21
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Keep in mind that crafting a 4* gunner armor (instead of just using seerus) would trade two stages of charge time reduction for one stage of damage and primarily worse defenses (it DOES add up to something when gunner armor has next to no defense and Seerus has 2x class, around 2 pips saved each time and a few extra max health). That's a lot of work and sacrifice for what amounts to around a 4-5% increase in power, depending on your weapons.

As I explained to you before, the 3* black kat is worth around 70-100K and will grant you phenomenal offensive power at the cost of your resistances.

This- http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Black_Kat_Hood
Is the item you want if you're going for damage. Nor does it require any books, whiskers, arms or legs to attain. The defensive loss is bad if you're using it with chaos on fire/shock levels, but you've already got Seerus for those levels anyway.

If you're willing to upgrade to 5*, the fire/shock+shadow gunner helmet is plausible to get, but relatively unnecessary for where you are in the game- yes it would be better than Seerus occasionally, but not that much better.

To be perfectly honest with you I'd look into getting more weapons in general. Mastering a large variety of weapons is going to be far more helpful than trading a single bit of charge time reduction for a single bit of damage.

---

Omega shell would be better than volcanic plate much of the time (not in FSC) but not that much better. Crafting it would be a pretty redundant decision- if you really want to resist something in particular, get a shield that directly blocks it.

Wed, 03/04/2015 - 13:31
#22
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
eHM....

I meant that if your shielding when shock spasm's, you don't take damage. Which is why fire is my worst fear. If normal and fire are most important, than volcanic plate set is Superior in FSC? I have it and never use it because there is armor with my offensive needs not defensive. Plus, I already stated before that I would prefer damage over CTR and ASI. Its only 1 away from my cyclops cap, and my Silversix will still have damage bonus vs undeads max. As I already stated before, I CANNOT earn money, I just can't, and that completely eliminates my chance to get Black Kat, though I do want it VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY much, even if its 3*. And I don't like Seerus for Vana because I prefer my Gigawatt or Silversix, which has s*** charge attacks. So no CTR needed.

-Nert

Wed, 03/04/2015 - 14:48
#23
Bopp's picture
Bopp
ah

Now I understand your comment about shock and shields. Sorry.

Volcanic Plate armor is extremely good protection for FSC. But I agree that you should wear your offensive armor instead. You can still use your Volcanic Plate Shield, if you don't want to use an offensive shield (SSB or BTS). You should not get any other defensive shield unless there is a clear tactical situation (e.g. shadow freeze levels) where you need more defense.

I echo Fehzor's recommendation of saving up Ancient Pages (or some money) to get the 3-star Black Kat helmet. It is much more accessible than the other Black Kat armors, and offers just as much insane offense.

Wed, 03/04/2015 - 16:05
#24
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
Yeah....

About Fehzor's post... I already stated that I can't earn money. At all. :( there is pure NOTHING I can use to earn money. Also, I'm gonna try to get it using my obsidian edge, so yeah.
Now I'm gonna wait and see what Fehzor says.

P.S. I'm starting to like the Edge again, but I'll sell it if I have to. Lol

Wed, 03/04/2015 - 16:24
#25
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

I would stick to cyclops cap/Seerus in your situation, as every single option requires you to earn and use money in some way.

I would then focus on my inability to earn money. If you're incapable of playing the game well, go to an earlier area and farm that instead for practice until you feel like you're ready to move on. There is no shame in defeat, or farming earlier areas, or not getting what you need.

If you don't have enough time to play the game (and are unwilling to make an energy purchase) the solution would be to make time to play the game or to stop playing it and just stick with cyclops cap. When not playing the game, cyclops cap has the same benefits as most other helmets. If you live with your parents and they are hindering your freedom, it's always possible for you to move away from them and begin life anew- farming for crowns in Spiral Knights is almost certainly worth running away from home for.

Wed, 03/04/2015 - 17:37
#26
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
Woooo...

No, I'm not running away from home. lol
I can play the game well. I just don't have the TIME to PLAY the game. Which is my problem. I'll try selling my Obsidian Edge, as I stated before. 5kprofit is okay with me. As long I can get 2 black kat hoods (me and ma bro :), I'm fine. Really, I need some serious money.
Also, should I get a Iron Slug/Callahan? I have mega tundrus, but it doesn't work in T3 because most of T3 is shadow. So should I get a magnus? If so, which one?

Wish me luck for sake of money!

-Nert

Wed, 03/04/2015 - 17:51
#27
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

You can actually leverage less play time in your favor by playing the long con when it comes to making money. The premise is simple-

Step 1. When a promotion comes out and everyone has put money into it, it's cheap. Snipe them cheap off of the AH.

Step 2. 6 months later when a complementary good arrives, it isn't going to be as cheap. Sell them for 2-3 times what you paid.

It'll take you a while to get set up (as you'll need some money to make money first) and it'll take you even longer before it really pays off, but it should make you a sizeable amount more than playing levels and buying guns/helmets would. In the mean time, save crowns and play whatever runs you can to gather crowns. On average, you'll come out way ahead.

Wed, 03/04/2015 - 18:21
#28
Bopp's picture
Bopp
what does it matter?

If you don't have time to play, and you are unable to earn money, then what use is equipment advice? And why do your threads always end like this?

Wed, 03/04/2015 - 18:51
#29
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
I meant as I can still earn money

I meant as I can still earn money, I just cannot do it quickly. Can't you see that, I legit gotten a Fiery Pepperbox (you helped me with pros/cons) Toxic Atomizer (yours again) and stuff like plague or no plague, shield (why do you think I got my swiftstrike?) my chaos mantle, damage between weapons, bombs vs guns vs swords... abunch of stuff. And I used money. You do realize that I got legit:
Electron Charge (lol gotta get bomb)
Silversix
Fiery Pepperbox
Heavy Shard Bomb
Frozen Pulsar
Toxic Atomizer
Winmillion
Black Chaingun
Strike Needle
Warmaster Rocket Hammer
Dark Retribution
Ascended Calibur
Mega Tundrus
Silent Nightblade
Graviton Bomb
Solversix
Blizzvrand
Gigawatt Pulsar
Volatile Catalyzer
Proof: http://steamcommunity.com/id/nertgvv/inventory/

So I can earn money, I just can't do it QUICKLY (I get 2 hrs play time, only in weekends, per day, MAX). Get it now? So I can get Mega Magnus in a few days, Iron Slug/Callahan will wait, but if I want to work hard, I can get it in a few weeks...?

Thu, 03/05/2015 - 10:25
#30
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Right. So getting the black kat hood should be no problem- just wait for that event (which is even more plausible since you have more time outside of the game and less inside of the game) and you'll be totally fine. It only costs 70 tokens to get, and doesn't (shouldn't) be upgraded to 4* anyway. If you get a book, even better. In the mean time you can start to build up an investment strategy to overcome your limitations.

Thu, 03/05/2015 - 18:46
#31
Nertgvv's picture
Nertgvv
Lol

I got a hood, cause I sold my Edge... meh. I still have 2600ce left after all the stuff I did. Now, I just have to get Plasma Capacitor (no problem) and a Mega Magnus (ummm..... ok).
Lezzdothis!

-Nert

Thu, 03/05/2015 - 19:07
#32
Bopp's picture
Bopp
please stop selling

Please stop selling your precious possessions. Just keep them.

Thu, 03/05/2015 - 20:57
#33
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

D:

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 11:39
#34
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
......

Keep the Edge, it is the most useful shadow sword in the game.

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