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Wed, 03/11/2015 - 00:20
Snarby-Slasher's picture
Snarby-Slasher

Hey guys its me...
I've progressed a lot and reached Rank 6-2 and the same thing that happened to me at 5-2 is happening again
Hall of Heroes :(
I've already made a Blazebrand and a Wise Owlite Shield and now I'm stuck on my armor to get past HoH to Rank 7-1...
Please HELP me to get Elite and Advanced orbs!!!!!
I have the recipe for Dark Chaingun and need Magnus recipe and a total of 5 ADV Orbs. Then I need 6(!!!!!) ELITE Orbs for my Ash Tail Set.
PLEASE HELP FOR ORBS!!!!!!! IVE ALREADY TRIED AXES OF EVIL AND GOT 1 ADVANCED ORB
And BTW I know farming CR and buying Orbs from Supply Depot is easier but I happen to be out of cr almost always. And plus, im bored of arenas.

Thanks in advance

Sspiralman

PS- Some MISSIONS for Shining Crystals too!!!!
THNX

Wed, 03/11/2015 - 00:59
#1
Neometal's picture
Neometal
Just. Play. The game.

For elite/advanced orbs I do the first depth of Sewer Stash. It's a d14 poison lichen lair. Just ignore monsters run through the lair, get the boxes in the 2 areas, and restart. Don't expect to get rarities every run, you'll most likely have to do it A LOT of times.

However, most of the time you'll get cr faster than finding orbs, so just do the t2 bosses or arcade. Ppl don't start out w/ full 5* arsenal for a reason, you need to EARN it.

Furthermore, be glad that orbs exists in the first place. Back in the days we had to pay the ce equivalent of orbs EVERY time we wanted to create something (yeah sure, we were able to safe 100 energy on the cost w/ mist, but then we couldn't go exploring for free that day), and had to get the funds.
Nowadays ppl can get to 5* in a few weeks, we needed months.

Just go and play.

Wed, 03/11/2015 - 06:22
#2
Bopp's picture
Bopp
frequently asked question

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/User:Jdavis/FAQs#How_do_I_get_Orbs_of_Alchemy.3F

Wed, 03/11/2015 - 07:38
#3
Shadorian's picture
Shadorian
My Point of View

I'm in your position, and this is what I'm doing:
For 3* orbs, I buy them from the depot. It's easy and fast helps me get all my gear up to useable level. I get my crowns doing levels that drop 4* orbs, so I don't need to buy those and by the time my gear is all up to 3* I'll have about enough orbs to craft the 4 required pieces one level up.

Also, this may be helpful (it's linked in the guide Bopp linked):
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Lancer_Knightz_(Guild)/Missions#Rarities_and_Treasure_Boxes

Wed, 03/11/2015 - 09:49
#4
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Just go on more T2 runs dog. It's fun. And if you don't find them, buy them from the supply depot.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:24
#5
Fatalitizer's picture
Fatalitizer
@Bopp

I see this said a lot, that it's faster to find the crowns than the orbs. I understand in regards to Eternals, but is it true for Elites? Is it faster to do 4 FSC runs or to speedrun something like the first level of Sewer Stash many times?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:36
#6
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Oh god no don't buy eternal orbs! It's only true for elites and advanced and whatever the 2* are called orbs! D:

I wrote this guide and it talks about it- http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/108732

"And I can already hear it- "BUT I NEED ETERNAL ORBS OF-", again, you really don't need that. Even on D27 and D28 alone, you'll be finding a higher ratio of eternal orbs to radiant fire crystals, meaning that like shinning fire crystals, you'll very quickly have over 100 eternal orbs that you can't use. The solution: Disregard shinning fire crystals AND eternal orbs in favor of the one true rarity: Radiant fire crystals."

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:41
#7
Bopp's picture
Bopp
don't know

The true answer is that I don't know, because I don't have detailed data on the drop rate of 4-star orbs in the first level of Sewer Stash. If you want to do a service to the community, you might undertake a detailed study of that level. Of course, you would need to collect timing data, to compare to the timing of FSC runs.

To some extent, my "just earn crowns and buy the orbs" is an over-reaction to countless posters on the forums, who think that they should always get orbs for free. They don't realize that they have to earn them, either by farming crowns or (in particular cases) farming certain levels that might have the orbs they want.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:42
#8
Bopp's picture
Bopp
and Fehzor is right

And I didn't even bother to address the question of 5-star orbs, which are insanely plentiful once you're near the end of the game and don't need them anymore. The bottleneck is 5-star fire crystals, as Fehzor says.

Fri, 03/27/2015 - 03:18
#9
Snarby-Slasher's picture
Snarby-Slasher
Thanks Guys!

I've been doing RJP and Sewer Stash first depth for Elites and have already got 4 of them along with 2 Advanced ones.
Now I have to heat up my Blazebrand and Wise Owlite to lvl 10 so I need Shining FCs (duh)
I have yet ony found them at Depths 19-22 and got only around 18 or so. So is there a specific Arcade level for Shining FCs and also missions where they are a bit less rare. In comparison, I have 360-something Glowing FCs.
Soooo..... Where should I go??? As I need Heat Lvl 10 for my Grey Owl and Combuster.
Also, is Gran Faust better than Acheron for Slimes? As I use swords only on Slimes and use my Black Chaingun on Gremlins.

Thanks in advance

Fri, 03/27/2015 - 05:24
#10
Bopp's picture
Bopp
response

I've been doing RJP and Sewer Stash first depth for Elites and have already got 4 of them along with 2 Advanced ones.

Congratulations, but this doesn't tell us anything, unless you also say how many times you've run the missions. For example, 6 orbs in 10 runs is impressive, while 6 orbs in 1,000 runs is not. That's why actual data are valuable.

So is there a specific Arcade level for Shining FCs and also missions where they are a bit less rare.

See the wiki page "Rarity". They drop heavily on depths 19-26. If you continue to play Tier 3, you will end up with far too many of them. My count is easily into 5 digits now. Go to levels with many treasure boxes --- particularly arenas. See also all of the links that you have already been given.

Also, is Gran Faust better than Acheron for Slimes? As I use swords only on Slimes and use my Black Chaingun on Gremlins.

Why not just use your gun on slimes too? And no, GF is not better than Acheron for slimes. But it is better in some situations, such as when there is a crowd of slimes attacking you and you want to hold them back. This is all covered in my sword guide of course.

Fri, 03/27/2015 - 11:30
#11
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

I wrote about that in my how-to-find-stuff guide as well, which is again, here- http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/108732

In particular, here are the portions of it that apply to the 4* orbs-

  • T3 = 4* crystals
  • "I NEED SHINNING FIRE CRYSTALS- you're going to have a hard time believing this but you probably don't need any shinning fire crystals yet. In tier 2, your 4* gear will be just as strong at level 1 as it is at level 10, the one exception being the charge time reduction that it picks up along the way. When you get to tier 3, you'll find MASSIVE amounts of shinning fire crystals everywhere, and will quickly have a good 15,000 left over"

    So here is what I want you to do- go on 10 runs from D18 to the core, on gates with arenas and clockwork tunnels on D27/D28. Then I want you to come back here and tell me how many eternal orbs, shinning fire crystals, and radiant fire crystals you found.

    ---

    Faust and acheron are about the same for slimes and really it's a matter of preference and situation. The situation for faust is primarily compounds, where it's incredibly easy to hit a good 6+ tiny enemies with every hit and not miss anything, making its DPS quite a bit higher than acheron's. The situation for acheron is primarily every other level, where you can use its charge for some crowd control and its single hits for single target damage agaisnt regular sized mobs. The knockback and different attacking style on faust makes it fairly useful even without being on compounds, and it really isn't going to make a difference if you're more comfortable with two hits words.

    Sun, 03/29/2015 - 02:21
    #12
    Rabeet-Ahsan's picture
    Rabeet-Ahsan
    On the eternal orbs and Shining Fire crystals

    Well i just do T3 Treasure vault runs and the mission Beyond the Axis of Evil there you will find alot of Shining Fire Crystals and some eternal orbs and also some elite orbs but mostly on the 2nd depth of the mission and it takes around 15-20 mins to do provided you have the right gear. And yeah Neometal is right first depth of Sewer Stash on Elite since it increases the chances of finding stuff and do all the missions and arcade runs on elite if you can to maximize chance.

    Tue, 03/31/2015 - 02:32
    #13
    Snarby-Slasher's picture
    Snarby-Slasher
    @ Bopp and Fehzor

    Bopp

    I did atleast 20 runs of RJP and got 3 Elites and one Eternal Orb. About ten runs first depth onl of Sewer Stash gave me 2 Advanced and 1 Elite Orb.

    Thanks for the advice on this one.

    I don't use my gun on Slimes when there are Jellies. When I'm attacking they use their spike attack and I die. Mostly in Tier 3 I die.

    ---

    Fehzor

    I'll try those 10 Arcade runs and thanks for the advice too!!!

    Also, thanks Rabeet for the advice

    I have a question: Should I sell my Sealed Sword to Basil rather than using up my time and money to make a Faust or Avenger? Becoz I basically like fast swords and I think that the Sealed Sowed isn't worth wasting money on and I'd rather have got an Antigua.

    Another question: Is a Silver Key for the Steel Lockbox worth it?

    Thanks in advance
    Sspiralman

    EDIT- Also, I made my Ash Tail coat and making Cap soon! Then I get past HoH.

    Tue, 03/31/2015 - 10:40
    #14
    Bopp's picture
    Bopp
    response

    I have a question: Should I sell my Sealed Sword to Basil rather than using up my time and money to make a Faust or Avenger? Becoz I basically like fast swords and I think that the Sealed Sowed isn't worth wasting money on...

    I would keep it, because maybe you'll want to try Divine Avenger or Gran Faust later. On the other hand, Sealed Sword is not hard to get. So you could sell it now and get another one if you decide later that you want it.

    and I'd rather have got an Antigua.

    I've said this in countless threads, because antiguas are always attractive to players for some reason, but let me repeat: Antiguas are not really very good guns. They don't do an outstanding amount of damage. They don't offer any statuses (except for poison on the Carbine). They have terrible charge attacks. The worst part is that they are really boring to use. They don't get more interesting over time or reward skill in any way. Get some other gun.

    Another question: Is a Silver Key for the Steel Lockbox worth it?

    You're basically asking how much you value this object --- in particular, do you value it more than the other players, to whom you could sell it? We can't possibly know that, without having much more information about you. To help you decide for yourself, read the wiki to figure out what's in the Steel Lockbox. Also ask yourself whether you enjoy the act of gambling. If so, then you might enjoy opening the thing.

    Wed, 04/01/2015 - 02:06
    #15
    Snarby-Slasher's picture
    Snarby-Slasher
    @Bopp

    Thanks for replying

    As for my Sealed Sword, I'm selling it as I am in need of quick crowns and I'm farming JK anyway so I'll get another one.
    Sooo....instead of the Gilded Griffin, should I get a Callahan? I wanted to try all types of guns and I like the idea of disabling Gun Puppies so that their attacks get cancelled. Question: Callahan or Iron Slug? I mainly use my Spike Shower on Fiends and Wolvers so I don't really need a Piercing gun. But I'll need a Piercing gun in FSC and I already have a Black Chaingun so I wanted to try the Magnus line. Question is : Is Callahan better than DBB for Wolvers and Fiends ? And Is Callahan better at FSC than Blitz?

    Sorry for the hard to read paragraph

    Thanks in advance

    PS: I want to buy 9 Advanced Orbs of Alchemy if anyone sells them cheaper than Supply Dep in bulk orders

    Wed, 04/01/2015 - 07:07
    #16
    Bopp's picture
    Bopp
    response

    I wanted to try all types of guns

    Yes, you should try all types of weapons, because that is much of the fun in this game. But probably you should try the "good" weapons before the "bad" ones.

    I like the idea of disabling Gun Puppies so that their attacks get cancelled.

    Then you certainly don't want a piercing gun such as Callahan. Polaris is the obvious choice. But consider also Nova/Storm Driver, which can often kill a gun puppy in one charge shot (once you know how to use the ricochets). Iron Slug charges would be good.

    Callahan or Iron Slug?

    They have been compared in many threads since the gunner update. Try searching Google. The only difference is damage type, so it boils down to the usual consideration of specialized vs. generalized. The only thing I'll add is: Getting a lot of damage out of Winter Grave is difficult, due to the freeze. So I don't recommend a Callahan/Winter Grave combination (which was my knee-jerk reaction after the gunner update).

    But I'll need a Piercing gun in FSC

    You don't need a piercing gun for FSC. Vanaduke's body is slightly vulnerable to piercing, but you can definitely kill him with a wide variety of guns.

    Is Callahan better than DBB for Wolvers and Fiends?

    No. In my opinion, DBB is the fastest weapon for clearing crowds of beasts, and the safest weapon against almost all kinds of fiend, except maybe greavers.

    And Is Callahan better at FSC than Blitz?

    I haven't run detailed tests, but I doubt it. Maybe someone will remind us of how they compare.

    I want to buy 9 Advanced Orbs of Alchemy if anyone sells them cheaper than Supply Dep in bulk orders

    I don't follow that market, but I can't imagine why anyone would sell them below cost.

    Wed, 04/01/2015 - 12:05
    #17
    Fehzor's picture
    Fehzor

    The enemies that iron slug hits but that callahan doesn't include polyps, gun puppies, lumbers, mecha knights, slime cubes, lichens and glop drops. These are quite enjoyable to fight with the attacking style of high range, high damage, moderate crowd control that iron slug presents, and because of that I would recommend iron slug over callahan.

    It's also worth noting that callahan is not blitz needle when it comes to firestorm citadel. It will do some damage to Vanaduke, but nowhere near what blitz needle would do- aside from just being incredible at dealing raw damage, blitz needle is a pretty integral part of firestorm citadel. If you enjoy using handguns or wish to farm firestorm citadel, then crafting blitz needle would be a good idea. It's not 100% necessary if you aren't really into handguns, but well, FSC just wouldn't be FSC without blitz needle making every run a cakewalk and lack of blitz needle making every other run as painful and slow as possible.

    A note about winter grave- it presents a different attacking style than does slug and callahan because it freezes. This attacking style is more raw utility than raw damage, which is fine but not raw damage. If you want to use the gun for the utility of freezing lines of enemies, then winter grave is awesome. If you want to use your gun for murdering things and fighting in general, iron slug is going to be a bit nicer. The fact that winter grave is a shadowy handgun means that if you use chaos, you can switch between it and glacius, so as to always have a line-of-freeze type thing going on... but that if you can't get sword ctr as well as gun ctr, you're going to be at a loss.

    I'd agree entirely with everything else Bopp said.

    Thu, 04/02/2015 - 05:32
    #18
    Snarby-Slasher's picture
    Snarby-Slasher
    '_' Bombs '_'

    Thanks for the answers Bopp and Fehzor!
    I'm already making the Kilowatt and Gigawatt as soon as I get Tier 3 clearance. And I need only one Elite orb for Tier 3 clearance.
    As for my Sealed Sword, I sold it to Basil along with my Graviton Charge. I am looking forward to T3 clearance as I can get Caketastrophe accesories and costumes.
    Also, should I get a Pulsar or a Static Capacitor? I've earned these 16 Bark Modules and it was really hard for me. A Catalyzer is out of the question as I hate it's working.
    And, should I make a BTS if I use swords as side weps or just make a GoS and a SS Buckler?

    Thanks in advance

    Sspiral

    Thu, 04/02/2015 - 05:40
    #19
    Bopp's picture
    Bopp
    response

    I'm already making the Kilowatt and Gigawatt as soon as I get Tier 3 clearance...Also, should I get a Pulsar or a Static Capacitor?

    You already have a Pulsar, and you want to know whether you should get another Pulsar? No. That should be a low priority.

    The Static Capacitor/Voltaic Tempest line is quite powerful --- one of the most useful bombs.

    And, should I make a BTS if I use swords as side weps or just make a GoS and a SS Buckler?

    If you use your sword a lot, then BTS is useful. It has much more health than SSB. But if you don't use your sword a lot, then don't bother.

    Thu, 04/02/2015 - 08:47
    #20
    Fehzor's picture
    Fehzor

    Well you should make a SS buckler regardless of whether you choose to use BTS. If you like swords and use the somewhat traditional idea of swords for damage with guns for pure utility, then BTS is going to be the best thing for you; if you don't then I would recommend either plate shield or omega shell as a starting shield, with swift strike on the side. Grey owlite would be a decent option as well, though I typically used my omega shell more often purely because I played on a wide variety of levels when hunting arenas/danger rooms which do not always have a specific and preferred shield type.

    And get voltaic tempest if anything. Mercurial armor is mostly outclassed by mercurial demo and black kat, you already have a pulsar, and catalyzer is a garbage weapon. But only get it if you can afford to somehow give it maxed out charge time reduction. As in, are using some combination of chaos/volcanic bomber armor/trinkets/that sprite perk.

    Sun, 04/05/2015 - 01:35
    #21
    Snarby-Slasher's picture
    Snarby-Slasher
    Hey Guys I'm Tier 3

    Just got to Rank 7-2 and I got a Grim Repeater recipe (yay!) and also won a Knight Name Change Pass in the Giveaway(double yay!!!).
    I'm going to get the Chaos set and SSB soon and I was thinking that I should get anther pure defensive shield other than GoS (which is to be made soon)
    Soooo....is there a good defense shield I can use in levels that have damage other than elemental?

    Thanks in advance

    Sspiralman (name's gonna be different after some days ;)

    Sun, 04/05/2015 - 04:56
    #22
    Bopp's picture
    Bopp
    Shieldbearer Guide?

    Have you read the Shieldbearer Guide on the wiki? It's not great, but it might help.

    The most popular shields (other than BTS and SSB) are probably Grey Owlite, Crest of Almire, Volcanic Plate Shield, Dread Skelly Shield.

    But really shields are very situational. You want to match your shield to the threats. For example, fiends and freeze are both pretty nasty. And they show up together in The Gauntlet and in Heart of Ice. Dread Skelly Shield is good for those situations.

    Sun, 04/05/2015 - 22:18
    #23
    Snarby-Slasher's picture
    Snarby-Slasher
    Yes I Read That

    I read all the guides but then I simply went to the Shield page on the wiki to look at all shields.
    I decided:
    Getting Crest of Almire may take a long time so I could go for a Dread Skelly

    So, yeah I'm gonna get a GoS, SSB and a Dread Skelly Shield

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