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Petition to start Spiral Knight Assembly

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Wed, 04/08/2015 - 09:44
Subchu

Hai people ;o

I am a Subchu and my name is Subchu. Some of you guys probably know me pretty well or never heard of me. I'm a fellow knight like all of you guys but after a long time of griping and thinking, I wondered why is it that we are forced to pretty much post things on forums and hope someone important sees it? It just doesn't seem right and creates a lot of negativity amid a majority of the forum posts. I must admit I am pretty guilty myself due to my frequent Haven ranting about the flaws of the game and why I am "semi-retired". But it is about time we take a stand and help actually better the game rather than point at OOO and demand they do better. All games need a dependable and loyal player base and not people just expecting to get something out of nothing.

Therefore, I wish to start a "Spiral Knight Assembly" of sorts with one goal in mind: helping Spiral Knights get back on its feet again by direct cooperation between admin and knight. This group would be most likely be a handful of experienced knights that have actual ideas to better the game (and not just make the game easier to exploit). I don't feel like experience in this regard would relate to soloing bosses or getting 30k damage while waving a gran faust around so please leave all of that out of it. The whole point is to have a mature group of players to have some say more than a forum post. Unfortunately that means that in order to join or make this happen at all, you must quit your griping and be prepared to make a little effort to contribute to the cause.

I am quite serious about this as I feel it will improve the game dramatically and improve the player base, bringing a lot of players back to the game. I know this mostly because I have friends who know how this game works and what actions do what (particularly in the market). There is a lot of player knowledge out there on Cradle and if we pool some of that together, we could end up with some brilliant ideas that we can actually make happen for the overall improvement of the game.

And to the OOO staff:
I am only one knight, but i would like to ask you to participate as well so please tell me your feedback here in this post and tell me what you think, as admin support will help this greatly. Personally, I don't see how having a board of players to share their opinions in a mature environment could have any harm. It just feels ideal to have some kind of direct communication that concentrates all the issues and gripes of the community into a possible solution and better outcomes for the company and the players that creates a lot less negativity. Perhaps some of the Game Masters could choose players that they find fit to communicate to so it is more trustworthy to the staff (maybe some of the Purple Spiral recipients idk). I just wish to help alleviate some of the bickering and hate going on against OOO and actually DO something about this. Because in the end we all as players have to admit, our whining and snarky sarcasm don't do anything other than destroy optimism and bring down the game.

I hope I can make this a reality. Leave your comments below and help improve Spiral Knights!
If you wish to contact me, mail me in game (My name is Subchu) or just post here! I'll be sure to check here and there.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 10:21
#1
Glacies's picture
Glacies

I'm going to go ahead and burst your bubble and say that this isn't going to work.

Plenty of petitions have been created on this forum and plenty of them will still appear every so often and none of them have ever actually worked. I always see the term "Let the players help the developers out" but this isn't how video games work. On a larger scale company like Three Rings you run into the problem that when a player says "I want to help" they actually mean "I want you to do things I think would make the game better without myself doing actual work." I may sound mean on this but it's the hard truth.

This doesn't mean Three Rings is a bad company as they can decide what can or cannot be done but people have to remember that often with a job it's almost always "Job first, love second." and it's completely understandable in nearly any situation.

If you really truly love this game and feel as though you can improve it in some way I would suggest you check out their Job Page and see what you can possibly apply to. If you don't have the knowledge I would suggest you go start learning whatever you feel will help which most likely is Java.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 10:40
#2
Glow-Father
^^

Nope not going to work
Why ?
Because 1 OOO has plans to follow and also this petitions have been done so many times and they never worked and if i remember correctly due to petitions or complains bomber(shard bombs ;~; ) have suffered a great negative change.

But one thing you could do is to do podcasts for sk or create a youtube channel where weekly you express yours and others ideas which you guys have on sk,this will also unite OOO and the players.

How to help OOO:
Don't type stuff up it will only make OOO's job harder since they wont have a clear clue of what the players actually wants not to talk about how they will make it with the short amount of staff they have.

If you have an idea show an actual reliable plan which can easily help OOO make the plan come true, for example create a well structured sketch of how something might work,this will be easier for OOO to understand and script and also makes their job more enjoyable than just reading a to do list.
Another way is to create a prototype of your idea by using simple 3D shapes such as cubes..ecc which shows the possibilities on how something works.

Or find a group of players who actually have some spare time to script or help OOO to script in java since OOO really lacks staff.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 10:54
#3
Subchu
Please just no

I understand where you are coming from but this isn't about doing what the players want. I only wish to organize communication instead of everyone raging. Also, the players must be willing to think deeply to look past their own views. So please don't bring negativity here unless you're personally helping things. Perhaps support it THEN if it doesn't work, say it's a lost cause.

If anything, mail me and help me get a draft together.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 10:59
#4
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Errr...

What you want is the suggestions forum. That is where all of us who are forumers who have ideas for a better future pretty much hang around in. For sure someone will wander in there every so often who thinks that first person spiral knights or dual wielding are new and original ideas, but that doesn't mean that every thread in there is like such.

There are many other ways to talk with the "important people" as well. Send in emails or support tickets to have your message put into queue with other important messages.

One thing a lot of players don't seem to understand is that the gamemasters aren't necessarily working on the game's internal functions. They're the ones that make sure the game we have right now is fun and exciting for everyone! They aren't the ones to go to with ideas for the future of Spiral Knights - the developers are.
Now, I'm on board with a weekly or monthly discussion thread with the developers/game masters to make them all more human to us players. As of now, we look at them as some sort of high and mighty power - if you've ever seen a game master in Haven you know what I'm talking about. I'd love to talk more person-to-person with the game masters or developers, and about anything really.

But bottom line is saying things isn't going to make things happen. If you get in contact with a GM outside of the forums, and they agree to do such a thing, then we'll have progress and you can get a following. If you don't do work on the side, this idea is only going to be just that - an idea.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:02
#5
Glow-Father
Ik subchu

Read the sections where i talked about making videos to create a stronger bound with both community and gm ^^ .
And no negativity, but I think Glacies i saying that all of the sk posts like yours did end up as forgotten or failed and its the same loop I've seen happening over and over and over again( and trust me saw some of those and they were supported by lots of players).

Leaving that apart we can do something which is entertaining instead of just plain text as I said earlier,maybe like videos which are regularly updated which both sk players and OOO can watch and laugh or enjoy together.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:16
#6
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

goal in mind: helping Spiral Knights get back on its feet again by direct cooperation between admin and knight.

I would love to see this happen. It's laughable and I can't see this happening in a million years, but I'd love to see it happen. The developers are like, scared to talk to us or hate us or think that our input is meaningless 99% of the time or... something. Honestly though, I'd just uninstall the game and leave if I were you. The game most likely isn't going to ever just "get back on its feet". The Herex plotline + arcade redux could change the whole radiant fire crystal situation, so I'll check in until it comes out + disappoints me and then I won't bother with this place any more.

please don't bring negativity here unless you're personally helping things

We're helping you to understand why this isn't going to work because we've seen this sort of thing before and realized the outcome.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:16
#7
Subchu
Now there's progress

Mail me and maybe we can make a video or something. Just saying it will be forgotten like the rest won't solve anything so work with me and let's make it happen.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:40
#8
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Thunder-The-Bright
algorithms are the solutions to any problem.

OOO already said no to some players willing to help out (sir pandabear is one of them), I don't think they are willing to take help from a group.
besides, if they wanted more help to the developer/programming side, they'd be hiring programmers, because it's way more safe than asking the playerbase.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:11
#9
Subchu
Thanks?

I appreciate all the lovely criticism but I was just throwing it out there. No need to attack me for doing something positive. Most of the issues stem from the community and I am sure OOO looking at all this lack of support isn't helping anything. That being said, I will keep this open in case anyone actually wants to DO something and not just shoot everything down. And @Fangel, I will attempt to get in contact and will update if I make any progress. In the mean time, at least show some support and show some ideas on how to refine the idea and make it happen (not jsut chuck it out the window because that just shows lack of interest).

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:18
#10
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Krissychu
:3

From one Chu to another, I'll support you! :D

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:53
#11
Glacies's picture
Glacies

As a reply to Fehzor I'm pretty sure it falls under the whole thing of "It's better to stay quiet and only have a few people mad than be open and have everyone mad at you."

Back when Nick used to actually post things, a small group of people would be happy but a lot of the player base used to yell at the developers. This was back in 2010 - 2011 and later on he just went quiet aside from his monthly "What we are working on" posts and aside from the original reply, he never responded back on a couple of things.

The other problem if I recall with being open is that it ends up being one sided. (IE: I like "X" better than "Y") This is the reason why they don't post in suggestions.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 13:11
#12
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Fehzor

"It's better to stay quiet and only have a few people mad than be open and have everyone mad at you."

Which is why the playerbase (and not the few very loud and obnoxious positive-attitude forumers) is in love with how development is going.

Most of the issues stem from the community

And what should we be doing to "solve" these issues? Hacking into the server and updating it?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 13:16
#13
Subchu
Don't be absurd.

If you want to be a smart aleck, go ahead and fix everything yourself. Like really Fehzor. What are you accomplishing with your posts? If you can't fix things yourself, don't bring that here. A good start is understanding where OOO is coming from as they have to read your ranting everyday. Personally, if I had to deal with that everyday, I wouldn't want to make anything worthwhile anyway. The whole point of this is to bring the gripes of the community into an environment where it's less "Y u no fix this blah blah blah" to a detailed educated group-filtered collaboration.

A good start is wiping away that attitude and creating a positive atmosphere to be taken seriously instead of another cynical troll.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 13:29
#14
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Traevelliath

As a general rule of thumb, game designers will always have ideas that they'd want to implement but can't for various reasons. So going up to a developer and saying "I have an idea" is like spitting into an ocean. If you want their attention, then I'd follow Glacius' suggestion and apply for a job.

Also, I take it you've never participated in the Testing Feedback forum? It pops up when OOO opens up the testing server and it plays out almost exactly as you describe. The suggestions/criticisms are legitimate, and the developers listen/implement them.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 13:36
#15
Subchu
Easier said than done

I'm pretty sure a hoard of players applying for jobs won't help anything. However, I am aware of the testing feedback forum and that is pretty much how I wish for this to run but on a bigger scale (not just when something is already made). I am just doing what I can as a player while understanding the work that must take place from both OOO and us. But thank you.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 13:48
#16
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Fangel
Um.

A good start is understanding where OOO is coming from as they have to read your ranting everyday.
Pretty sure, as a company, you open yourself up to criticisms and vulgarities from your customers. How you deal with it is completely company-sided. I'm sure that no-one at Three Rings would take criticisms of their games as direct insults to themselves personally.
If you work at a company or organization, taking company things personally is a sure-fire way to get yourself out of a job, especially if you publicly act on it.

Like really Fehzor. What are you accomplishing with your posts? If you can't fix things yourself, don't bring that here.
Ouch. First step of getting people to listen to you is not to bash on the people you want listening to you. That plus the very juvenile argument of "why don't YOU go fix it!" is never appropriate. Does Fehzor work at Three Rings? As far as we all know, no, nor do they work for Three Ring's parent company. They have as much power in this as you do, but a different outlook on life.
Don't try to change people. Make a movement that people want to follow. If you can't create a movement then, well, tough luck.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 14:29
#17
Subchu
Well what else should I do?

When people constantly bash you and your attempts to fix things, how else am I supposed to react? If you're doing something to help, you have no reason to act the way Fehzor is. However I appreciate all your input Fangel as you weren't as negative in the way you put things. I don't find it juvenile to suggest he fix it if he wishes to bash every attempt of someone to do something. It's just a matter of if you put down someones idea, make a better one yourself at the very least.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 15:09
#18
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Fangel
Not necessarily.

If someone throws words your way that are negative, you should look into them for a grain of truth - usually there is at least a speck of truth hiding behind anything negative. What various players have said is that you're dreaming big with this idea, and it's better to act now and come back showing us what you've started. If the entire operation is futile, like the many ones before it, then we do not want to exhaust our time and energy into it. If the project gains some ground you will definitely find supporters.

People constantly bashing you is a problem with yourself, but people bashing your ideas or attempts to fix things is because those fixes have problems or errors in them that those people are pointing out to you now so you don't run into them later without some knowledge of how to deal with them. Taking offense to someone critiquing you is a quick way to get people who are trying to help you to immediately disregard you. Pushing help away means you won't find help when you truly need it.

I appreciate the effort, and sincerely hope that something can come out of it, but from simply from reading this thread, I'm not sure I'd want you being a representative between the community and the company. We have plenty of players who I'm sure old-time forumers can point to (Such as Zeddy or Luguiru) as examples of players who share the thoughts of many while still being reasonable with fellow forumers, dissenters, and Three Rings. Your personality doesn't seem to match that of these players, but rather one of a young and eager fighter. We need those young and eager fighters, but we don't want to have them as generals because not all battles need to be fought.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 15:27
#19
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Fehzor

I'm not accomplishing anything because I can't accomplish anything. I've applied for their business, notified them of bugs and suggested quite a number of things to them. I even made them a handful of new eye types when I had time to do so, and they chosen not to use them or acknowledge me. This is fine; I'm certainly not entitled to their attention. As for what I would like to accomplish.. I would primarily like an area that I can farm radiant fire crystals in. One that gives them just as frequently as say, shinning fire crystals. I would be significantly more excited to play their game if that were the case.

I'd love to understand where whoever is coming from, but again, whoever doesn't tell us anything. My best guess (based on the various linkedin profiles and job ads I've come across) is that Spiral Knights is at this point like their side thing that makes them money while they work on some phone app and that to them, the game is dead. But I really don't even know who 'they' are, beyond just "The Three Rings branch of Sega Networks" and there is the remote possibility that the game is being dutifully worked on daily by multiple people who are all very slow or something.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 16:41
#20
Avihr's picture
Avihr
Void/10

Sk deaded or no? 13.0

my name is Noobcub and I am a Noobcub, I heard the forums call desperately for me.

PS: keep dreaming.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 16:48
#21
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Ultoros
Ultoros

TL;DR - Nope. This won't work. As those before me have said, suggestions like this have been seen before and didn't workout. If they really wanted to hear the opinions of the players, they could have just checked the Suggestions Forum.

- I apologise in advance for any spelling and grammatical errors.

Now, your idea is a good one, don't get me wrong about that but as Glacies said, your idea has been seen before and most likely won't work. I remember seeing one like this actually, quite a while ago, and, if my memory serves me correctly, it planned on having weekly/monthly gathering (in forums) where players could talk with the developers about certain stuff. It was excellent, the whole idea seemed like something we just needed and to make the whole situation better it received a lot of support however, it didn't happen.

I used to hang around the suggestion section quite a bit and nearly everyone there who posted something believed that there suggesting that would "help improve Spiral Knights". Of course they did, that is why they actually bothered to make a post about it like you did. Even those who asked for dual wielding did and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem comes with whether they were listened to.Now, out of the +130,000 suggestions made, have you ever considered how many were actually implemented? Even if we do keep in mind that they most likely aren't all there, and (therefore) we times that number by 5 (29 because some were counted as individual implementations because why not) to pass the number of how many were possibly implemented, the percentage of 130,000 is 0.11%.

If Three Rings really wanted to make new content and was really dedicated to do so, they would just have looked at the suggestion section because I can guarantee you that even if you did succeed with this plan, the level of diversity in the suggestions you would provide pale in comparison to the suggestions that are withering and dying in the Suggestions Thread. The players know what the players want. That is a undeniable fact, they don't necessarily know what they need but we've come to a point where we are getting neither.

You asked for a "mature environment" and it is true, one where we could speak with the developers would be quite nice. I mean, Glacies even said that there were people who constantly bashed the developers when replies were quite frequent. I could argue that the environment on some of the suggestion posts made were mature but I won't, this reply is getting too long.

One thing that really bothers me (well...not really) about this is the attitude which you reply to the criticism that you're receiving as if to say that they aren't wanted here. Why is this? Is it because it is coming from just an ordinary forumer or because it's something you don't want to hear? Would you reply the same way if someone close to the developers said this? Additionally, I am going to assume that not everyone would get a say in this "assembly" if one was made as this would consequently derail from the "mature environment" you wanted. This would not be fair.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 16:56
#22
Subchu
Ummm

I never said id designate myself a leader. I am simple another initiator. yes I know other people may have more charisma than me but its an effort and that's the min point. but if you wish to disregard me, I can't stop you from doing that. And although other forumers have displayed their standing with the majority, it doesn't particularly mean it will give us the progress needed to really improve things. And excuse me for being a bit rash. People tend to get that way when fighting for a cause they deem worthy. This is one of those causes. Being bashed for an innocent cause such as this just seems sad. I stated im open to suggestions so if that is not open enough, I don't know what is. Perhaps if people actually listened to me instead of spreading the hate, things would go a lot smoother.

And I say no negativity because it isn't needed here. Just slamming down every post trying to improve the game is just an opinion used to put people down. This thread is to move things FORWARD. Not back.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:03
#23
Ultoros's picture
Ultoros
Ultoros - Sorry ;_;

If anything, this post makes me quite sad because it shows that there are people as nice as Subchu who really, really, really want to see this game overflowing with people again and then take it upon themselves to share their idea with others with the hope that it will come true just to be in disbelieve when they realise that it just is out of our hands.

The Suggestion Section is a sad place. *sigh*

Subchu, as a personal message from me, don't give up and thank you for posting this. This may not be one way but there is sure to be another way.

I would support your idea if it came down to a yes or no answer.

-

Edit: I agree with you but, at the end of the day, these are just a few of the negative criticism that would be received if such a thing was implemented. Decisions like that should not be purely based on the opinions of a small group of players.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:11
#24
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

We all want to see the game overflowing with people again. Some of us have just been here longer :P

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:16
#25
Subchu
Hehe...

Don't underestimate people :3
I have been here quite a while myself ;)

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:25
#26
Riftlocker's picture
Riftlocker
<-- Skepticraven

Welcome to the SK forums, where everythings made up and the suggestions dont matter.

@Fehzor
"Which is why the playerbase (and not the few very loud and obnoxious positive-attitude forumers) is in love with how development is going."

That is amusing coming from you and your satire threads.

@Fangel
"If someone throws words your way that are negative, you should look into them for a grain of truth - usually there is at least a speck of truth hiding behind anything negative."

That is your [flawed] opinion. There is no good reason to listen to every little angry ranter [ex: SK dead or no threads]. Please tell me the speck of truth hiding in those threads for anyone unfortunate enough to open them.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:58
#27
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Oh, you're wanting that?

There is no good reason to listen to every little angry ranter [ex: SK dead or no threads]. Please tell me the speck of truth hiding in those threads for anyone unfortunate enough to open them.
The speck of truth in those threads is the fact that Spiral Knights has a seemingly smaller active userbase. We don't have the numbers, so I'm not going to state anything as fact, but those threads are essentially in place to bring light to the problem of "where are all the other people this is an mmo". The game isn't dying, however the players are cycling and seemingly "not there". They might be in missions alone, and others don't join them, so they don't get the full "mmo feel". I'm sure if you went through an MMO's main gameplay without running into many players you would feel as if the game was dying too.

So, I say it again, looking past your own experiences and into the negative for a speck of truth is usually rewarding. I would rather someone point out a flaw in my suggestion or personality so I can either acknowledge it or change it than to stand around silent. Plus people are a lot better at figuring out what they don't want opposed to what they do want, so by looking past all the 'no's (negative) you will eventually find a 'yes' (positive).

Granted there are just some completely dreadful people who will just throw negative words your way because it gives them some sort of meanie-high, but those people are pretty easily singled out if you don't let them rustle your jimmies.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:27
#28
Oroseira's picture
Oroseira

This whole thread in a shellnut.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:54
#29
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

If it means anything, I support this thread.

It may seem like I've given up hope on this game, with my abandonment of the Suggestions Subforum about a year ago, but I've just put my hopefulness for the game on a shelf, so that it's not misplaced. I'm enjoying this game for the moment, and if someone wants to help its future and succeeds, even in the tiniest way, I'll be plenty happy to start investing mentally in the game's wellbeing again.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 21:42
#30
Cross-Over's picture
Cross-Over
^

I couldn't even attend this game's 4th anniversary, but outside, I still wanted to support this game. I've lost my time playing this, as content grew shorter, and even less frequently checked the forums, afraid of being disappointed. Plenty of these topics have been made, all with the outcome of failure or rejection, but by all means, any type of support left in this community is something to applaud for. It's the one thing every MMO needs- people who still care.

Thereby I support this thread, foolish or not, no matter the inevitable.
And thank you, TC, for still caring for this game with this topic; dreaming for a possible future in which a hole this game has made may be too difficult to climb out of. But I doubt communication will ever rebuild again after "it" happened...

Hope is that tiny switch in Depth 29 that is impossible to hit, more or less if it even exists.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 22:05
#31
Addy's picture
Addy
Aww, I'm obnoxious now.

Aww, I'm obnoxious now. <3

I'd really dig more communication between the staff and the community, but they WERE open to us before and people weren't exactly the kindest. I'm not sure Three Rings particularly enjoys having everything they say nitpicked to every angle and ... honestly, it sucks when you make an announcement, get people excited, and can't live up to it. The notorious Gunner Update should remind most people of how terrible so many attitudes ended up over what eventually was called "non-content" once the update did drop. I don't blame them for being hesitant.

Still, while not an appointed assembly should be necessary, I wouldn't mind another push for monthly "AMAs" with the staff. I understand that there are some things re: spoilers and secret development stuff that can't be talked about without giving too much away (or getting the playerbase too excited), but some kinda thread to mention that "yes, A and B are in the works!" "We're aware of glitch C and are taking steps toward fixing it, but it's a bear of an issue," etc etc.

I'm definitely not one to suggest appointing a group that would handle this head on, it should really be available to anybody.

But yeah, it hasn't happened before because Three Rings .. are kind of stretched thin as it is. If we do something like this, that's going to take away from developers' time to make and test their code, unless they do it on their own time... but then again, this is their job. I wouldn't expect them to sacrifice their off time for us. :s

So yeah. In an ideal world, etc etc, but sadly limited resources and all that make it pretty difficult.

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 10:55
#32
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Exactly what Addy said

Again, I have respect for anyone that has a goal then sets out to do it. If you, Subchu, can collect a group of knights and get in direct contact with the Three Rings staff, then I assure you many knights will follow your ideals. If you want to be the head but have someone else do the talking, that's what the others are for.

I don't lose respect for people who say they'll do something and then don't follow up on it, but I don't really pay them any attention. A lot of us are dreamers, and only a few of us turn those dreams into a reality.

But yes, I would love for more developer communication. The GM communication is fun and all, but it's not exactly enlightening to all of us. Heck, I wouldn't really even be mad if the developers straight up said "Yeah we're working hard on creating this other game over here while still supporting Spiral Knights on the side. Once we release this game, we'll definitely try to punch out a few bugs over in Spiral Knights!" That would be communication, and although it would make some players mad, it would lower my expectations for more content. I mean, I've always been someone to live in the moment, so loving a game for what it is right now comes naturally.
I wouldn't even mind if the GMs made a stickied thread in general discussion a week in advance, we post our questions, then Friday afternoon the devs take an hour or two to read over and respond to us. Would be a lot of fun, and take a bit of stress out of Fridays (if y'all over at Three Rings try to stress yourselves out occasionally).

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 15:31
#33
Addy's picture
Addy
Yesss that'd be awesome. Much

Yesss that'd be awesome. Much easier to manage than people submitting them to an e-mail, and there wouldn't be (as many) repeat questions to deal with.

Too bad the forum lacks a real quoting system, that'd make things a biiit easier, but oh well. :'D

Sat, 04/11/2015 - 20:10
#34
Alternate-Dragon's picture
Alternate-Dragon
Could there be a

Could there be a representative for the LD community?

Sat, 04/11/2015 - 22:47
#35
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

I think a better question would be, "Is there anyone from the LD community who would be a mature representative?"

Sat, 04/11/2015 - 23:23
#36
Leekcoco's picture
Leekcoco

That's condescending. Just because the sad and immature people tend to be louder doesn't mean there aren't sensible people who play LD. That being said, the opinions are so divided on various matters you won't be able to have any kind of meaningful representation of what the LD community really wants. If one is even needed, pretending that this idea has any legs.

Sat, 04/11/2015 - 23:43
#37
Sweetsundere's picture
Sweetsundere
A LD player that likes Icecream

There's mature people at the LD community.
The most of people there get toxic sure, but some of them also have a mature, normal side when they're not playing LD.

Also Subchu, I approve and support this thread.

Sun, 04/12/2015 - 01:26
#38
Blandaxt's picture
Blandaxt
lol...

I have been here sense like ld came out or was it bn who came out first. Well whatever. Before steam and when wolvers had the auto homing bites. yeah that should explain my age in this game lol. I have not been posting sense i started, but i have seen the game change and grow sense i started. This also includes the forums.

Towards the games growth, i would have to say it was very minor compared to the actual creation of the game and how much they have added into it. I mean having 3 to 4 main bosses and not changing that system sense like 2010 or 9 to not 15 is a pretty long time. When i mean changing that system, i do not mean removing the bosses, i mean like adding variety to those bosses like having them learn a little from fighting the players for so long and improving to improve game play would make the bosses that much more dad but. But it is still a fact that the game has changed from where i started. So it's not that the game is not growing, it just that this game if it survives, will only get some real recognizable change from me by the time i turn like 40 and i'm in my 20's hahah.

The way i feel about the game now, i just really not expecting much or anything at all out of it anymore. Sure i still like the game which is the reason i am still playing it, but i won't be as giddy and awed in wonder as i was back then when an update or event comes around. So so far, i feel like i will just finish my goal of collecting every non pay to play gear in the game then move on to ever quest next or dragon nest or vindictus or to some new indie game i have been following like origin's of malu. Cause those games have things that attract me, but i do not like leaving things unfinished. i like closure.

The forums itself well at least the suggestion forums which is the only forums i use, and i really rarely venture into the general or treasure vault or baracks forums has improved a bit. I mean there use to be a huge negative feedback when i started here. I mean sure i wasn't the most courteous poster/new forumer back then, but fighting against a wave of negative feedback as a new forumer really hit me to the core. It told me that not all communities are nice and it told me how to reflect negative feedback and not have it hit home like back then. I mean, i was pretty pissed off when i started to post and all the feedback i was getting was a +1 or -1. When i post, i post to get people to share their ideas of why they agree or disagree. Not whether they agree or not with me. Cause the why is what really gets me to understand the good points and the bad points of that post. Also there was a huge excessive bumping of post back then. I mean that was kind of annoying when the thread was suppose to get reply's. I mean if your gonna bump, make it a reasonable bump where the starter of the thread declares a an end date and shows how many bumps he would do before closing the thread. Anyway, that is how i felt about the suggestion forums back then.

The way i feel about the suggestion forums now is a lot better. Although most of the major dedicated forumers have drifted off like hexzyle, that shard bomb guy, and some pretty old forumers some as old as when the game got started, the forums hasn't died. Some really good changes are that people have stopped the old useless fashion from my opinion of posting a -1 +1 on threads and are actually replying to them. The negative feedback has decreased by a huge amount to where people don't troll not very good threads and keep them on the first page just to make fun of them. My old nemesis, forgot that guys name phantom or whatever hasn't posted on the forums. And people with ideas are still coming in fresh out of the bakery trying to get the developers to smell their good cooking and see if they will take a bite. The only reason though i keep posting in the suggestion forums is too kind of support the new forumers that are posting, support a little of the old forumers, and to just post things that i feel most people would agree on. My days of big huge idea posting of revolutionary or even individual ideas of new monsters ect i feel are over. I feel the energy has been drained from me and a deep gray could of rainstorm takes over me when ever i think about posting huge original ideas. And i feel the developers/staff have kind of given up on the suggestion forums, but i can still see us fighting the good fight and not giving up on one of these days one of our ideas will go reach home.

Like how those minor height changes and minor accessory changes to your knight function in the game came from the forums. And i think there was a a few guild hall ideas that were from here that made it in. Either way, back then was kind of a good highlight for ideas making it in, but it doesn't change that now some might still make it in even if nick had to leave 3 rings. I only mention nick because i felt he was a great initiator when it came to communication between community and developer. And sense he left, not much communication has happened besides the regular don;t post that swear or maybe some other communication happening in the general forums. I totally agree with you that the more communications the better which is why i had great idea for the devs to do that in a nonchalant way where they would not get affected by any negative criticism. Though that idea is for another thread.

But back to the topic, i feel the only way to reignite any sort of communications is to just not try to aim for it. Basically what i mean is, don't focus on what the devs are doing. Start your own thing here and get a lot of people to get involve. Let it grow to the point that people from the actual game actually want to be here in the forums more then playing the game. If you can get this thing that you started that big, then no matter how you look at it, the developers will have a very very high possibility of getting involved in the ting you started. Basically lay bait for the fish to come to you, and don;t try chasing after the fish. eheh plain terms. Anyway, yeah i'm done writing. Time for me to sleep, it's like 4:25 am and i have to get some kind of zz's before heading to work. sigh......

Sun, 04/12/2015 - 04:59
#39
Krakob's picture
Krakob

Terrty for LD representative 2015! #TerrtyIsOurMan

Sun, 04/12/2015 - 05:12
#40
Alternate-Dragon's picture
Alternate-Dragon
I do believe there is at

I do believe there is at least one unbiased LD player that could fit the niche.

Sun, 04/12/2015 - 05:15
#41
Alternate-Dragon's picture
Alternate-Dragon
We could at least hold

We could at least hold nominations for the PvE representatives for now, I bet OOO won't do anything unless we do that first

Sun, 04/12/2015 - 05:19
#42
Mergu-Md's picture
Mergu-Md

Is there a point in electing a representative that OOO will not recognize?

I like the communication points. I do not, however, think we should form some group that has more influence than the players as a whole. No matter how unbiased you perceive them to be, the election process would be a popularity contest and the player is likely to pursue their own interests and bias.

Sun, 04/12/2015 - 09:29
#43
Subchu
Hmmm

I see where you are coming from Luna and I have been trying to think of a way around that. Although we can't escape humanistic bias, we can at least check it off a bit. imagine it a bit like NPR. You have a job and you do it first and if you don't do it, someone else can easily do it for you. I perhaps could make the group big enough to include enough people and small enough so its not as hectic as the Suggestions Forum. The issue I am trying to address is how crazy that forum is and how taxing it is on OOO to actually filter through all that to get to the truth. This Assembly idea is a "filter" of some sorts, throwing out ideas like "Free ce for ever (Just cuz)" and focusing on what we NEED instead of what we want. Also, it creates voice that could be worth listening to instead of chatter everywhere. The group isn't meant to have godly power to say "OOO do this now" but just to kinda give a general sense of what the people mean. Also bare in mind, it wouldn't be the group with power, it would be OOO giving power at that point.

Sun, 04/12/2015 - 09:32
#44
Subchu
Furthermore

If we can get this off the ground like Blandaxt said, I will need lots of cooperation. I am sure some players have more leverage in OOO than others (Due to purchases or reporting bug fixes, etc). If we were to get a lot of these people AS WELL as lesser known people that are well known by the community, we might have a better chance of things actually working for the better here.

Mon, 04/13/2015 - 10:20
#45
Dewaratanawan's picture
Dewaratanawan
@Subchu

"I have been here quite a while myself ;)"

Your application to Echo of Silence says you have been playing for 5 months.

Mon, 04/13/2015 - 12:13
#46
Subchu
Sounds about right, yes

I have been playing Spiral Knights for about 5 months so that seems right. But my friend has been playing much longer and I've hopped on his account here and there and kept up with the game til I decided to play myself when his knight got banned ._.

Mon, 04/13/2015 - 17:28
#47
Dewaratanawan's picture
Dewaratanawan
Still sounds like you haven't

Still sounds like you haven't been here quite a while yourself, especially in comparison to Fehzor, to whom I think you were talking to. Some have been waiting longer than you.

Mon, 04/13/2015 - 17:51
#48
Subchu
Well

I remember when ce was like 3500 crowns and there was no such thing as a toothpick.

Tue, 04/14/2015 - 07:08
#49
Gwenyvier's picture
Gwenyvier
One, IF there are people in

One, IF there are people in the community that the devs listen to more than others neither those people nor the devs are going to admit to it. It could be seen as favoritism, which is a bad thing for both parties. And seeing as we have seen people banned that spent a completely absurd amount of money on the game you can bet that spending money is not going to be something that gets you the devs' ear.

Two, until some kind of staff actually posts in the thread saying that if you can get a good group of people together they might listen to them you are effectively just talking to yourselves. There can be no cooperation or communication if the other party does not even respond.

Three, criticism is a wonderful thing if you want to create something good. You need people to bounce ideas off of to figure out what is good and what is a steaming pile of [redacted]. You will not get that with yesmen... just ask the Devilite Pitbosses.

You want actual feedback from some kind of staff, not the hope that they decide to pop into a random thread to see what's being said. Although I am sure the forum mods do check out most threads and will mention good ones to Eury or the devs. Send a support ticket saying "we're trying to start a group for better cooperation / communication between OOO and the player base. this is what we hope to achieve, this is what we hope to offer you, this is what we hope to get in return. can we make this work?" Obviously elaborated on more and properly worded so it doesn't come off as juvenile. I expect I know what the answer will be, but for a direct response that is the best way to get one.

I honestly think you'd be better off posting good ideas in the suggestion forum.

I do not see this getting going or changing anything personally.

~Gwen

Tue, 04/14/2015 - 08:32
#50
Avihr's picture
Avihr
Void

I still think that they should hand out free Doritos.

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