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Make Catalyzer regular attack do 0 damage

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Tue, 04/14/2015 - 10:54
Qwez's picture
Qwez

The regular attack on Catalyzers do not interrupt breathing zombies, attacking greavers, or anything else with like 0 resistance to stagger.
BUUUUUT... it breaks the freeze on enemies (and probably allies).
The old Catalyzer could both interrupt greavers and put charges on frozen enemies. The new Catalyzer can do neither... and I feel like the Catalyzer should fall back into its old niche pairing with freeze for gimping enemies. I don't really care too much about interrupting breathing zombies/greavers/devilites because role that can be filled with any other weapon.

A fix to make it work on frozen enemies is to change the regular attack to deal 0 damage (as the old charge attack did). The only perks I see from that 1 damage on the regular attack are unfreezing allies and breaking blocks. It wouldn't matter that you can't break blocks that quickly because if you mentally reclass Catalyzer as a "bomb", then you realize that it breaks blocks faster than most bombs with the quick CTR.

I realize that by removing the ability to break blocks severely changes the way you main with the Catalyzer, but whatever... I'd rather have a unique gun to fill an interesting niche, than a gun whose uniqueness is spread too thinly and achieves little (Able to break blocks, but not interrupt 0-stagger-resistance enemies. More pretty explosions, but less dps cuz you can't hit anything when enemies fly every-which-way from the asplosions and Skepticraven did some maths)

With this change you would be able to put a ton of charges on a frozen enemy, put Maskeraith quills on the enemy, and have a blast while your fps plummets.

Tue, 04/14/2015 - 11:22
#1
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Ehh

That's how it was on the testing server, but holy bejebus was it annoying to try to attack a buncha blocks or minerals and have nothing happen.

If it were possible to make blocks or minerals break with a hit that does 0 damage, I'd be all over this. As it is now, ehh....

Tue, 04/14/2015 - 12:29
#2
Qwez's picture
Qwez
Not breaking blocks on

Not breaking blocks on regular attack is no different than a bomb. I think it's fine with it's fast charge time

Tue, 04/14/2015 - 13:14
#3
Fangel's picture
Fangel
I understand

The point of a gun is to be a gun however. The point of a bomb is to be a bomb. I know catalyzers have a grey area, but I was really annoyed when using catalyzers that they didn't break blocks. It might have been because I was trying to find out all that was new about it but ehhh...

I'm not saying super no to this suggestion, but all it would do is bring me pain and suffering when I do use catalyzers. Would be neat if we could like, tag rocks and minerals. That would make me instantly like this idea.

Wed, 04/15/2015 - 12:09
#4
Blandaxt's picture
Blandaxt
agreed!

@Fangel:

I would definitely like it if we could tag objects besides monsters. The gun is too limited.

Thu, 04/16/2015 - 14:22
#5
Qwez's picture
Qwez

...Then we'd have players like me who'd just run around and tag everything... and then complain that we can't tag walls and npcs and alchemy machines and elevators.

Thu, 04/16/2015 - 15:02
#6
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Umm...

'Cept the things you just listed aren't affected by damage by any means. Minerals, boxes, and rocks are all environmental objects directly affected by damage, seeing as 1 damage will break/damage them. NPCs don't react to damage in any way, hence it would be silly to assume one, or a wall, should be able to be tagged.
Seems like the argument that gay marriage becoming legal means that someone could marry a fencepost/cow when it's plainly obvious a fencepost cannot consent to anything because it is an inanimate object, and a cow cannot consent because it cannot plainly say "yes".

However you could technically make switches into exploitable landmines by this method... That would be fun.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 15:20
#7
Blandaxt's picture
Blandaxt
nice job

Nice job fangel, you tottally gave a well thought out mannered reponse without losing composure. Cause i think i would be pretty riled at remarks that try to demine a good idea. Even if good is subjective, saying you don't agree with something can be done without puting it down.

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