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State your main weapons (sword, gun, or bomb)
State something that annoys you/don't get about people who use different weps.
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Sun, 05/10/2015 - 09:50
Sun, 05/10/2015 - 10:59
#2
I main on everything, but... A pet peeve about bombs...
On compound levels, I'm a full bomber. Master Blast Bomber with Shiver, Stagger, and Voltaic Supports.
I'm assigned as the bomber who takes out everything, mostly minis to clear the way, but the pet peeve is that people with swords tend to get ahead of themselves and go for everything- slash and kill whatever they see.
In fact, it happened yesterday.
I place a Blast Bomb, retreat, and run back to that same spot to place another Blast Bomb.
Someone with a sword comes in and slashes at the minis, messing with both the bomber and their little algorithm. I have to adjust.
And because I have no sword, and I use a Swiftstrike to place bombs slightly faster (If I recall correctly, it IS universal to even bombs, so it might / should work). That means I'm usually left vulnerable while they go in and take damage / die anyway.
It's why I like doing compounds alone now.
Sun, 05/10/2015 - 11:42
#3
Nitronomes always irritate my eyes. Not necessarily gameplay wise, because it just takes a bit of a mindset change to accommodate. They just.... ugh... my eyes... MY EYES!!!
Pulsar spammers always screw me over too. Pulsars are CROWD CONTROL weapons, not damage! You *can* use them for damage, but that is the exception, not the rule. Also, if I'm swinging my sword at someone, I usually don't need help with crowd control, so stop throwing pulsar shots over my head. You are not helping!
Finally, when I'm using an Iron Slug, there is a delay between me pulling the trigger on a charge shot, and the shot actually firing. That said, the fire animation is very distinct and is hard to miss. I would greatly appreciate it if you did not feel the need to screw up the line of enemies I'm aiming at.
Sun, 05/10/2015 - 14:34
#4
Welp.
I'm a jack-of-all-trades, but I mainly use heavy swords and shields with high health, coupled with either a high-dps gun or support haze/vortex bomb.
What annoys me about people is that they don't understand certain roles when you're in a party trying to fill a spot that's missing or people attempting to "help" you by shooting wolvers with their Gigawatt Pulsar.
An example would be when someone messes up your role either by rushing in front if I have equipment set up for combos and quick cleanup (and consequently messing up any potential CC), or doing the exact opposite and simply ignore what you're doing and target an enemy on the other side of the map, when you have the majority of the mob in an enclosed space awaiting for swift death.
Sun, 05/10/2015 - 22:13
#5
^
When people use guns on wolvers too regularly.
Use charges of the Magnus lines or Blitz, or not at all. I heard someone once say "It makes their teleporting predictable". Maybe to them it did, it was always teleporting behind them because inducing the teleport generates a lot of threat, but since they were turning around a lot to shoot at it, it was extremely unpredictable to me.
Sun, 05/10/2015 - 23:56
#6
Using Blitzes on ashtails, pulsars on enemies a swordman is attacking...the list goes on and on and ON AND ON.
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 03:30
#7
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
I'm running with all 4 tortofists as of recently, its impossible to miss the circles on the ground that appear before the shards land, but there's always someone with a high knock back weapon who thinks they're helping by pushing the entire crowd away
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 05:02
#8
@Oohnorak
Why all 4?
If you can afford the 3 specialized ones you don't need the normal one.
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 05:40
#9
Jack of all trades, master of none here. I like to rock the Swiftstrike Buckler, Voltedge, Iron Slug, Support/Damage Bomb, Secondary Sword/Gun combo. (because Chaos is fkin OP yo)
Nothing gets the blood boiling more than when teammates spam Shivermist in any area that isn't Vanaduke's boss fight (which is easy enough without Shiv tbqh). It severely limits mobility especially in areas where the enemies are numerous and tightly condensed, and one lag spike may make the difference between slipping by a slew of slush covered Slags, or blowing the energy revive.
Other honorable mentions go to waking that one Rocket Puppy, pulling Trojan aggro the wrong way, hitting gate switches in such a way that I get trapped inside the gate, and begging for Spark revives. But these are just general habits that, to my experience, random people have regardless of their gear.
Endless Pulsar spam makes my ears and eyes hurt. People who use bombing gear but no bombs make no sense. On the flip side, people who wear Chaos or Black Kat but only use swords also make me raise a brow. And then you have the poor players who play in Cobalt gear who enjoy making the rest of the party wait because you realized that you wanted to charge your Tempered Calibur while everyone else is on the party button
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 06:04
#10
If you can afford the 3 specialized ones you don't need the normal one.
Maybe there's like... a cluster of Undead and Gremlins? Or perhaps Slimes and Fiends? Or Beasts and Constructs. Then again, piercing, elemental, and shadow, respectively, would be the ideal choice for those situations since specialized weapons do slightly more than normal weapons against neutral foes.
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 08:37
#11
update the wiki?
specialized weapons do slightly more than normal weapons against neutral foes.
If so, the wiki needs updating. It says the four are identical against neutral foes.
(I can't check the damage tables, since I only have the normal torto gun.)
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 07:09
#12
pulling Trojan aggro the wrong way,
This, this and that, that, yes...
It's not too often anymore, but there were those few people I partied with in FSC long ago which hit the damn thing while frozen.
I always have a Shivermist to keep them placed when they spawn, and knock them out one by one through blitz.
But then you have those people who try to "help" and swing or shoot them, usually at the shield, either way thawing them. And it's right before I release my charges. Always. I draw the aggro right after, and it gets me cornered or killed. Either way, it leads to death.
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 07:10
#13
Main weapons: Blitz Needle,
Main weapons: Blitz Needle, Combuster/Nova Driver
I despise Shivermist Usage in non-Shadow lair levels. Messes up the ricochets/Blitz needle spread damage. Vortex all the way
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 09:44
#14
If so, the wiki needs updating. It says the four are identical against neutral foes.
I was stating rule of thumb, not straight facts. If you have damage numbers, then you have no need to change anything.
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 11:39
#15
Since the gunner update, I've primarily used guns as my main method of attack (as they have just flat out the best everything at this point) though I am set up to use bombs, swords, and whatever combination I so choose.
The only play-style related thing that really gets me is when people refuse to work well with others. As a classic example, the party can use shiver + blitz to kill stuff or the party can use fire weapons to accomplish the same thing but the party cannot use fire and ice together because that simply creates a disorganized mess. I find the game to be considerably more fun when everyone is working towards a strategy.
Mon, 05/11/2015 - 15:19
#16
A mix of swords and guns. Nothing really annoys me all that much. If I had to give my honest opinion, it would be that the mob A.I don't really follow up with any other attack (aside from the gremlins and wolvers, but if you know the distance they travel in their attack animation, you can cheese them). I feel that the difficulty in this relies to much on mobs that come in numbers (and even then if you have the patience, you can take them down with almost no effort
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 15:04
#17
Ohboy
I primarily run solo, but when I'm in a party I hope that the others in it are at least semi-competent in the arts of teamwork.
There are quite a few things that do get on my nerves though. Depending on how many slots I have unlocked, I'll either be rocking a hammer + arcana + acheron + DBB, or just acheron + arcana, which can be swapped out for combuster/DVS and callahan. With those loadouts I can typically hold my own with someone who's not aware that I attack things too, but, well, things still pester me.
Knocking an enemies out of the bomb charge radius happens far too often whenever I'm placing bombs. There's a circle of damage right there, why are you pushing the enemy out of it. Similarly moving what I'm attacking doesn't help... If it's an accident I don't mind but if you're not saving me from being surrounded then I'd prefer to keep the knockback to a minimum on my targets.
I sort of have an unknown dislike of players who purely brandish charge as their attack. You know, the ones who charge even when there's no enemies nearby at all. Could be an offbranch to the knockback thing though. Takes the fun out of my parties when you charge attack on a single zombie that could be killed with two arcana bullets.
Please please pleeease stop killing enemies over spikes. Not only does it make it harder to get the loot and take longer to get, but if you waited three second and backed away they would come to you.
Another one of my pet peeves is people who don't unfreeze you when you're clearly frozen. It's like, one swipe or shot and you have a teammate back. Also it seems like people have the worst pathing whenever they're shocked. The spasm hurts teammates... If you're retreating that's good and all but try to hug a safe wall instead of making a beeline towards where I am. Similarly if I'm shocked stop making an effort to walk over me, I'm trying to not spasmslap you!
Another one of my pet peeves is when knights charge before getting on the party button. Unless you're charging a bomb, you won't be releasing it immediately. You can start the charge while not on the button but step on it, by the time you're in position you'll be at full charge... No need to wait for full before enemies even spawn.
I do have a few other combat peeves, such as aggroing all the things in bullet-crazed areas (8 turret spawn wave in arenas, gun puppy danger room, etc), but those are more towards the player not their weapons. Actually, most of these complaints are about players and not their weapons... Or rather, how they use it. Oops.
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 14:23
#18
If you're retreating that's good and all but try to hug a safe wall instead of making a beeline towards where I am. Similarly if I'm shocked stop making an effort to walk over me, I'm trying to not spasmslap you!
I see this happen way too often.
Tue, 05/12/2015 - 15:49
#19
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
@small
No, normal and neutral are still the same
@anyone who's against the grand tortofist
Tortodrones take neutral from it, its good in the unknown passage, it fits my personal color, I have one with ctr med (actually that's not a great argument since all my tortofists have ctr med, and the shadow one has high), I'm a completionist so I got the shells for all 8 tortodrone items in one event and definitely planned on using all of them, theres more but i cant think of them atm
Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:06
#20
I'm probably the most elitist player around here...
I only main Voltedge and Obsidian Edge both with CTR Max, and DMG/ASI Ultra in every level, aside from when I heat weapons, but any other type of weapon annoys me.
Slower swords? Too slow, and the people who use them with me die a lot.
Faster swords? They do a lot less damage when they could do as much as me.
Gunners? I do more damage, and anyone that has a Pulsar in my party either gets a lecture on how much they annoy me and how people that overuse them get worse at dodging things and being a party member or I instakick them/they leave because they depend too much on it. (Blitz is still fine in Devilish Drudgeries), Torto guns don't do as much damage as me either.
Bombers? The Nitro bombs are annoying because they do little to no damage compared to me, goddamn visual spam like the Pulsars, and the knockback is actually a detriment to the party. Mist bombs are useless because I can deal with enemies fine without more statuses. Crystal bombs still do a lot less damage than me, but piercing ones are fine in Wolver Dens, also Vortexes in most levels, since they're a great support for Blitzers or Swordies like me.
I really don't have any respect for players that use knockback weapons, if they really need that much protection, instead of being a detriment to my party they could play solo just fine. And anyone who doesn't have as much experience as me and doesn't know how to dodge and do the most damage with weapons won't be playing in my party either. And when I mean Knockback weapons, I mean Nitro and Pulsar users, I know my charges have knockback, but I use it in a smart way, and to do more damage. #shotsfired
As a point of refence I've been playing for over 2 years, with more than 3.1k hours in the game, I also run SSB, ASI on Swords perk, Chaos Cloak and BKC/BKM (for some added challenge), and I've tried every weapon type before. I only run arcade because I'm tired of the grind that vana/PvP is, and all of what I've said is only my opinion and how I play the game, so don't take it as I was stating facts.
Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:22
#21
^
and all of what I've said is only my opinion and how I play the game, so don't take it as I was stating facts.
Still alright, but I was hoping it was really sarcasm poking fun at us rather than a set perspective...
Like... To be honest, you sound self-centered as hell. Or maybe just tired of people you worry may not contribute efficiently...
But whatever, I guess.
Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:48
#22
^
It kinda sounds like that, but that's just how I like to play, so I don't really play with anyone that slightly annoys me, since i've had to endure that a lot in the past in the game. I make my own parties with friends that adapt to me and I adapt to them, anything else is tiring, as I mentioned in that previous post.
Wed, 05/13/2015 - 08:24
#23
@Hex #10
Normal does the same dmg as the specialized do to neutral targets, so it would actually be useless. Gremlin + undead = pierce, Slime + Fiend = Ele, Beast + construct = shadow. Even with groups of all 3, there's loads of other stuff that's more useful.
Wed, 05/13/2015 - 13:32
#24
I'm vohtarak, call me by that name
Klipik read my reply, I mention a few things that the grand tortofist works on
Wed, 05/13/2015 - 16:53
#25
Since the 'gunner update' was
Since the 'gunner update' was released, I've been mainly using a lot of handguns nowadays, and I personally love using Pulsars, Blasters, and the Grand Tortofist I have. I use the Pulsars to help keep enemies back against a wall, away from my teammates, while they handle the stragglers or heal (or check their auction house mail...). The blasters are great for their reliability and utility, and are the main source of damage (I have a medium damage bonus UV on each one that complements the specialized damage; I.E. Construct medium on my Arcana.) As an added note, the knockback is always appreciated (shooting a Dust Zombie a few times as it's jumping at you feels way too good). The Grand Tortofist is something I always carry with me, as it's great for dealing high amounts of damage to clustered-up enemies or slow-moving ones *coughlumberscough*, which makes some areas of the Clockworks quite a breeze.
One thing that really makes me want to stomp around angrily is when you have teammates who bring weapons to a place that should NOT be brought to begin with. I'm talking about... bringing a Polaris/Gigawatt Pulsar/Kilowatt Pulsar to the Roarmulus Twins and spamming it on the quicksilvers... that really sends nasty jolts down my spine. Or... or people who bring a Wildfire/Blazing Pulsar/Flaming Pulsar to Compound 42... I understand the facility was already burning down, but there's no reason to fan the flames!
Another thing would be players who do not use Calibur charges tactically! I'm talking about those who charge their blade, and just spam those charge attacks like it's the greatest thing to exist in the game. I've played with people who know who to use those charges incredibly-well, but the ones who can't... please no. Please stop. STAHP. The same counts for people who use Blast Bombs incorrectly, such as spamming them everywhere, scattering enemies all over the place, and making everyone else's eyes bleed from the blinding fireworks show.
One last thing, would be people who solely rely on Brandish charges to carry them through a mission, saying that they "know what they're doing". Yes, because spamming fiery or icy charges at the same time is REALLY STRATEGIC. I never knew freezer burn was a status in the game! Totally a viable strategy... OR VOLTCRINGE. You know, shock can be a lifesaver sometimes (sometimes...), but people need to understand... what if you need to freeze a troublesome enemy so you can deal with it accordingly? If they're shocked, then that ice will serve no purpose, and someone... somewhere, is going to die by a Dust Zombie suddenly slapping them across the face that they thought (they thought!), was frozen for a few seconds so they could escape their amazingly-good tracking.
Oh yeah, and people who put on the full Chaos or Black Kat set and think they can become a tank for the party and "breeze through this". Yeah, and it's even better when said gear is at level 1... just crafted or not even bothering to heat it! (probably one of those meanie PvP/try-hard/toxic players!) It's such a shame, while others are getting properly-geared up, we close our equipment menus and make our way through the one-way gate, only to find them dead and raging at us because they died from a "laggy" spike trap. Oh you poor, poor soul... Here's what happened: they forgot to push the button to lower the spikes around the arsenal station! *slowclap*
Thu, 05/14/2015 - 08:51
#26
Hybrid
I'm fond of the Hail Driver with a sword or bomb depending on the monster type. I've adapted to people only attacking the enemies I freeze, but that used to be very frustrating. The only thing that bothers me, which I see a lot, is gunners spamming their guns in every direction on a wolver floor. It makes the fight take much longer than it needs to and they end up making wolvers teleport behind people and hit them.
Thu, 05/14/2015 - 09:47
#27
I am mostly a gunner that usually carries either a bomb or a sword to cover some other task if the need rises. But since I like to just make a single balanced load out between all special damage types, some statuses, and reasonable defense, there is rarely a moment where I feel like another player in a party can cause much harm to me.
What I really hate is when people purposefully act like morons with no consideration for other players. You know the ones, Blast Bomb spammers, Pulsar spammers, Brandish charge spammers, basically any spammer with a weapon that doesn't always kill, but almost always results in knock back. If it's a player who is first trying the weapon, I either let it slide or give them advice on how to use it better. When I see a Vanguard doing it, I just see them as being lazy and a nuisance to the team. It doesn't just stop at knock back though. Doesn't everyone just love it when someone brings a Shivermist to a Slime:Freeze level?
Thu, 05/14/2015 - 12:56
#28
Would you give examples of how players would be considerate?
Fri, 05/15/2015 - 16:10
#29
I'll bite.
I main the Levi, A gun for the situation (Magma Driver, Storm Driver, Blitz), Shivermist and a chip-damage spacing gun (Argent peacemaker, Gilded Griffin, Obsidian Carbine, and Callahan for Fiends, and Dark Retribution for jellies). So one can say I'm ready for anything.
I've been off the grid for who knows how long. I'm having trouble deciding weather or not to get on and stay on.
I guess I can say it's general people who are so uptight about their weps and setups. One time I had someone in Ghosts in the Machine use nothing but Polaris trough the entire run. Another thing is people who use the Chaos set or Swiftstrike (or both) and claim the can absolutely wreck everything. News flash, genius: They're weak to every debuff ever and serve no purpose in shadow or piercing levels for a reason.
Fri, 05/15/2015 - 18:56
#30
Seems like alot of people are into appropriate armor for different situations.
Fri, 05/15/2015 - 23:26
#31
Here...we...go!
I've mained the Glacius(Alternatively I do have a Barbarous thorn blade, or Faust), as my sword, and a gun as a secondary. Oh boy, everyone's gonna love me for this, but I use the Polaris as my gun (I did randomly find a strike needle in a treasure box though, I use that as an alternative as well, or my virulent catalyser). For armour, i've got Vog cub set, along with a Crest of Almire, though i'm going to make (if I can get bothered to go to a shadow lair again) a Snarby coat & helm, along with a barbarous thorn shield. Already have the 4* things needed for those readied up, if anything.
Regarding my swords, i'm a guy who prefers swing speed/rate of fire over damage done
Generally my setup is for against those pesky gremlins, undead, or my favourite, facing off constructs (Elemental defence and elemental damage weapons FTW)
Personally, unless it's cosmetic, I get slightly annoyed at people who mix armour sets. Probably an OCD of mine (I can never stand having mix sets), and to me, it just distributes the resistances too much that it's weaker compared to a proper on set. Also, seeing full cobalt sets makes me cry (I understand it's the easiest to get, but it's so...bland)
PS: And no, I don't use the polaris through the entire mission, my sword is the go-to weapon. Polaris acts as a backup, or crowd control. The knockback is darn useful sometimes. Or against Gun puppies/Polyps/Howlizters.
PPS: Obviously, I do dislike facing Fiends (even though they've been nerfed, I hate their jumpiness), Beasts to some extent, and anything with freeze on it. Yea, it's ironic, I know, I use the Glacius and yet I hate freeze (well, getting frozen, not dealing it out)
Sat, 05/16/2015 - 05:54
#32
does not compute
I've mained the Glacius...Oh boy, everyone's gonna love me for this, but I use the Polaris as my gun...Generally my setup is for against those pesky gremlins...
Does not compute.
I rely on weapons that deal knockback to protect myself (Suda, Slug, Pepperbox)
So I'm not fond of weapons that deal freeze.
I don't mind the Pulsars, but when people use them as their main weapon... ugh.
It's okay to be a gunslinger and kite things. It's not okay to be knocking around monsters who weren't anywhere near getting close to you in the first place.