Spiral Knights - Does OOO not want to make money?

Does OOO not want to make money?

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Mon, 05/11/2015 - 15:30

Paintool

I'm sure if that's the right title, but this is geared at the AH sales. I'll just be using the mixmaster for the example because HELLO, NEW CONTENT THAT AIN'T IN THE GAME BY NORMAL MEANS.

We have a situation:
1 mixmaster for sale - bids probably cap off at 1.5 - 2Mil crowns

~or~

100 mixmasters for sale, buy out price 1.5 mil (like the scissorblades, premium, but not unattainable)

You don't have to do the math, but setting the new content so it could take more crowns out of the system instead of aiming at just a few whale P2W players would not only get more people playing the game again, but it would enhance and lower the CE market all at the same time. People crash the CE market as they try to get enough crowns to buy Mixmasters and merchants with moolah buy more than one to sell later. When CE hits rock bottom, people buy trinkets and gear and whatever.

Now I know what your gonna say.
Paintool, when CE hits 6K per share, why buy energy from OOO at all? OOO ain't gonna make any money! We have to feed the whales by consumer whoring just 1 massive person at a time, and keep the other addicts lead on by the carrot on the edge of the string!

More people playing is more important than keeping 1 P2W player happy. Unless you like playing the game I just mentioned above, then you'll see and understand why not only the mixmaster, but other premium accesories and items need to have crown buy out prices, not just Bids.

DEBATE WITH ME NOW

Mon, 05/11/2015 - 15:59

Mergu-Md

More people are buying more ce in hopes of winning the auctions in order to bid on the auctions; doesn't matter how many items they pump out, multiple people purchased energy in hopes of being the lucky winner. [Incoming assumptions ->] This probably includes you, and you probably lost which is why you made this thread.

The auctions were a brilliant tactic. With one event, OOO has dropped off energy prices, raised money, increased server activity (players gotta watch those auctions), introduced new rare items and given hundreds of players the chance to inspect them -- all without crashing the merchant market through the supply depot. The only people I've seen complain are those that are losing the auctions.

Mon, 05/11/2015 - 17:55

Spiral-Spy

You are missing the point. We

You are missing the point. We got a couple of players who got enough purchasing power to manipulate the market and they have been using it to drive the energy price sky high. OOO cannot allow players to drive the market out of contro and this flash sale is about bringing the hammer down.

The Flash Sale looks looks like a massive crown sink, but that's only half of the truth. It also floods the market with energy.

If there were 100 mixmasters with a b/o of 1m, then the rich would just buy like 5-10 for later resale, using the crowns they already have and the item's novelty value would suffer. It would also further increase the purchasing power of the market manipulators (either because they stock up themselves for later resale or because everyone stocking up becomes poorer by comparisson).

Putting just a single ${whatever} with no buyout on the market makes virtually no dent in that items rarity and that results in fierce competition. If there are 100 ${whatever}s for 1m b/o, you know that you can get it for 60 bucks tops (earning OOO $6000). If that's acceptable to you, you buy it. If there is only a single ${whatever} with no buyout, then people will buy the small energy packs over and over again in order to be able to up their bid. Those are not only uneconomical, but also easy to loose track of. Eventually the ${whatever} sells and a lot of people will have bought tons of energy in vain and that is actually what OOO is after.

When this event is over, there will be a shipload of energy in the system and no real use for it. Anyone who then dares to set up a buy wall on the market risks getting crushed by an avalance.

That is what this flash sale is about: putting so much energy in the market that it dwarves the purchasing power of the market manipulators and binding up their crowns in a misinvestment for the foreseable future.

Mon, 05/11/2015 - 20:49

Avihr

Void

Long story short, merchants are evil.

Told ya

Mon, 05/11/2015 - 22:06

Nolidor

Yesterday, I saw 7000 lots of

Yesterday, I saw 7000 lots of energy on the market for around 8250.

At a rate of 100 crowns per 1000 lots, that means the real price should be around 7550.

We'll see how the energy market works out.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 01:09

Glow-Father

sigh ...

Both Spiral-Sky and Ludarias have a good point.

''''''We have a situation:
1 mixmaster for sale - bids probably cap off at 1.5 - 2Mil crowns''''''

=_= Thats contradicting your whole point ...that will cause to have less players buy promo boxes (which means less money for OOO) since the price of mixers will drop due to the high amount of players who have it compared to now...
so less players will want to purchase it since they know they wont get paid much...

'''''More people playing is more important than keeping 1 P2W player happy. Unless you like playing the game I just mentioned above, then you'll see and understand why not only the mixmaster, but other premium accessories and items need to have crown buy out prices, not just Bids.''''

So does it mean that if i spam by buying all 100 mixers you wont be angry?After-all its only around 150m cr going away and there are players who have more than that in game.
Point is that rich players will probably spam buy them all + this will cause to have too many mixers in the game.
Buy now items should be something which are useful in game such as the ones which OOO put in the featured section(sparks,keys etc)
You have to keep in my mind that this game main aim is not to have players fighting on getting accessories or promo items but its to actually play the game,accessory is just an option so its none of OOO business whether you can get the accessory you want or not,they gave a mixer in featured you had a chance so lets not complain every single time something goes wrong.

During this even i got outbid 38 exact times due to the fact that i was offline while the bid ended but i don't complain.

Overall thanks to this event both the poor and the rich had a profit and positive results since the rich(and ce buyers) sold ce for a lower price others players were capable of buying low cost ce and bid other items in ah for cheaper since mot of the players were too busy and focused on the featured ah 9, I even aw a prismatic glow eyes getting sold for only 339kcr+).

This shows that OOO are listening and taking actions to help the players in game...but oh well maybe its just me...

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 03:23

Paintool

Ugh. It just makes me feel

Ugh.

It just makes me feel bad that it's more profitable to prevent people from directly getting what they want.

And that's all it takes to make a cash grab F2P game.

I need to get out of here.

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