@Bopp

"For example, taking video would solve the problem, but you say that your computer can't, but I've never heard of a computer that can't. Maybe you could explain more."

It's not that the computer can't, but that recording video while playing at the same time impacts play performance (usually lower FPS and longer loadtimes). Worse performance significantly impacts speedruns in action games.

The black kat event pricing for margel is a player-created idea. You don't have to pay anything to fight margel, however the players are greedy and decide to profit off the item.

Similarly, the March of the Tortodrones event isn't a scam service as only one player has to spend anything. We're just people too, so we ask for payment to go towards the card. It's the same concept with shadow lairs.

With this idea however, it is a single player with no background. You can only participate in this game if you pay up, whereas with Margel and the Tortodrone fight, you don't necessarily have to.

We don't allow events that require players to pay an entry fee.
Wait, what? There have been countless of LD and 1v1 tournaments with entry fees and you haven't shut down a single one as far as I know.

"Wait, what? There have been countless of LD and 1v1 tournaments with entry fees and you haven't shut down a single one as far as I know." -Krakob post #10

Unofficial ones and not for real money, they were crowns and energy.

I find it strange that Idio-Syncrasies isn't replying. There are comments from people (including my post #5) that I would like to see Idio-Syncrasies give their opinion on.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that you were banned. Nothing you did seems worth a ban to me. But maybe there is another side of the story that I don't know.

By the way, discussing a ban on the forums is not permitted by Three Rings. Best wishes.

I am about 95% sure Idio-Syncrasies is telling the truth, and all he wanted was to host an event that would make be actually kind of interesting. The other 5% still thinks that this was some cheap way of making money, but that is only 5%.

Ah well, $#%# happens, if you were being honest then you didn't deserve that.

Unofficial ones and not for real money, they were crowns and energy.

So what's the difference? Many, many, many player hosted LD competitions have had entry fees in CR or E with no guarantees. This is the same except it's PvE based instead.

I don't think that Idio themselves is a scammer because I haven't seen them in action. However, if you know you're going to win up front, as stated in the thread, it might be a rather large turn-off. Personally, I don't feel a challenge is worthy of a ban... However here's a better system to go about it:

1. Challenge the knights to a race
2. There is no entry fee. Same rules you have set up otherwise
3. Instead of an entry fee, all crown profit made from these runs are saved and given to an eventual winner.
4. Donations to the pot are suggested at the end of the run if Idio wins, and if you donate you will be given a % of the pot whenever someone does beat Idio. No money back is guaranteed, and if the challenge ends then you purely donated crowns to Idio.

This way, you are not being scammed into a potential challenge. If you wish to donate crowns to the pot (with a maximum amount mind you. I'd say 10k crowns is the maximum players can donate to the pot) then you can get something back if someone else beats the challenge. You may get more money back, however since the initial bit was a "donation", you are not ensured to get money back, and as long as that's clear from the start, it should be okay.

I would say 10% of the pot is designated for donors. Of that 10%, it is separated even more per person. If the whole pot is 500k crowns, then the donor pot is 50k crowns. If there is only one donor, then they get all 50k crowns. If there are 10 donors, each would get 5k crowns. If you want more numbers swimming around, the maximum donors could get a higher percentage of the pot... In the same scenario maybe 1 donor gave 10k crowns, and the other 4 gave 1k crowns. Maybe the 1 donor would get 20k crowns and the other 4 would get 7.5k crowns. You can probably write up an equation for it if you need to.

Bottom line is, entry fees are a no-go. A post-run donation is okay, just make sure that the players know that donations may not give them more crowns, or any crowns back at all, and that they're okay with that.

The real problem is Spiral Knights is a childish game.

The race idea is a mature adult idea that only grown-ups can understand.

You weren't banned because you have a bad idea. You were banned because you contradicted the childish nature of Spiral Knights.

My advice to you if you want to run races is either: a) don't do it through SK itself, or b) form a racing guild.

Organize a league where Three Rings can't keep track of what you're doing. Then, expect members of that league to uphold their wagers or else they get expelled. They either get banned from your off-site organization or removed from the guild.

@Nolidor
All your arguments, no matter how valid, doesn't change the fact that multiple exploits have occurred due to the upfront fees. I wouldn't be surprised if this policy was followed in other MMOs.

Also, Three Rings won't ban someone for promising something for crowns and then not keeping the promise. This is also good policy, because otherwise we could make false accusations about liars. Once you complete a trade, that's it. Trade is done. Anything else is up to both parties.

This is why requesting participants exhibit good sportsmanship and give whatever they owe to the winner after the race. (But only if all participants have agreed to do so!) If someone doesn't pay, the host can exclude him from future events.

Why all this? Because this is the internet.

@Idio-Syncrasies
You should edit your first post. (For your own topics, go to the top of the thread and hit the edit-tab thing.) You should update your main post because this is what possible participants will first see.

One thing that would especially scare off customers is the part where you say "(Besides the 10kcrowns fee isn't that much really.)". Hate to say it, but THAT sounds shady.

As I suggested before, you should require that people give their fee directly to the winner AFTER the event. Those who dodge this fee could be banned from future events.

That being said, a reasonable upfront fee would make sense. (Due to aforementioned debt-dodgers.) Maybe just start with a 1k upfront fee and a 9k fee to the winner. Then gradually shift the fee from after the race to before as the community's trust in you increases. You'd want to check with the GMs first, though.

Idio is an adult. Three Rings doesn't like adults, so it banned him for his adult behavior.
#flawlesslogic

The way I think of it is like a carnival game. As Hex said, does Idio have a license? Understand that carnivals are run by a large body and have all sorts of oversight. And they're physical events. This is the internet.

In other words, they're defending childish attitudes. It's really simple. Idio is an adult. Three Rings doesn't like adults, so it banned him for his adult behavior.

I love how you say that someone without patience to proofread his post thoroughly is an adult. Not that proofreading is a sign of adulthood (I'm not an adult), but still...

The ban was a rather rash move on Three Ring's part, and I am rather disappointed. That being said, Nolidor needs to not be so harsh. Maybe the GM in question (probably Aphrodite) had a bad day? Community managers are people too, and I doubt that they bring up a conference whenever a single player infringes a rule; it's probably up to the manager who sees the problem to do something about it. Then they move on to the next (of many) issues.

And if Three Rings disliked adults, wouldn't that, in extension, mean that they hate themselves?

For anyone in the future hoping to run a race (reading through the thread makes it sound like Idio quit), I would advise you record the run! Tag along and kill yourself. The fact is that if you have hard, recorded evidence, you can put all the runs up on Youtube and thus boost your legitimacy. It's really hard to fake a video, after all.

Well, I might actually run a race. So that I can see what works. Or I might just contact the managers for how they accept such an event to be held.