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how could we manipulate the market to make certain cost less?

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Sat, 07/11/2015 - 22:53
Gun-Shots's picture
Gun-Shots

Just saying, ce used to cost about 5k-6k but now it's 8-9k. It just want to know how we could lower the price of buying ce.

Sun, 07/12/2015 - 03:30
#1
Coreonn's picture
Coreonn
Basically more players

Get more people to buy Energy with real money to inject more Energy into the market and OOO needs to give people who have hoarded energy a reason to sell it for Crowns, like what happened with the Flash Sales on the Auction House.

Sun, 07/12/2015 - 08:00
#2
Meep-The-Bank's picture
Meep-The-Bank
Meep.

Hahahahahaha no. Most likely, you won't be able to manipulate the market consistently by yourself, even if you spent £10k / $10k.
The thing is that in order for deflation to happen, there needs to be a high supply of energy and low demand.

Supply < Demand = Prices go up.
We can clearly see this with energy peaking at about 9kcr, compared to when it was 6kcr.

When someone buys energy with real money, that is energy actually being made. It hasn't been used before and adds to the overall pool of total energy there is existing in Spiral Knights. However, because of OOO's somewhat discouraging promotions, less people are willing to spend actual money in order to consistently increase the total pool of energy a bit, every so often (much how like mints make and print money). As well as this, when people buy from the supply depot, that energy actually becomes non-existent. Once it goes to Kozma, no one is actually getting it (in a way, it is destroyed) and with that happening a lot, especially during flash sales, you can expect energy prices to skyrocket because there is a high demand for energy but there is less supply.

As Core said, you'll / OOO will need to make people be bothered to spend some money, so that there is more energy into the market and in the occurrence of supply > demand, people may want to sell their energy as soon as possible and so, lower their price of an energy listing by a few crowns. In order to consistently get energy prices to 5-6k, you'd need dozens of people who'd be willing to sell their energy for 5,000 - 6,000cr each and that somewhat seems horrendous, compared to 8,000 to 9,000cr when they're going to be making more money per 100ce and that's just how it is. With the abundance of crowns, I'm quite sure that even if people do wish to sell their energy at 5-6kcr, the price of energy will just go back to 7-8kcr because of the high demand of energy as it is the premium currency of this game and wanted by all.

Sun, 07/12/2015 - 05:27
#3
Whimsicality's picture
Whimsicality

Bundle Prize Boxes with CE again and give the people a reason to spend crowns and you'll have the CE market pumping closer to how it was in the old days.

Also, it is very much possible to manipulate the market as just one person. Ever wonder who's putting up those offer "walls"? I can guarantee you it's not a bunch of players agreeing to the same price.

Sun, 07/12/2015 - 06:32
#4
Toumazos's picture
Toumazos
ban rich players

ban rich players

Sun, 07/12/2015 - 21:43
#5
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
@ Toumazos

Or just put a limit to how many offers can be made for a certain price. That way you can't end up with over 500 for just one price.....

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 07:37
#6
Whimsicality's picture
Whimsicality

That's not going to stop the market manipulator from putting up walls by putting up a cap for only a certain price. You will still see things like 9000 x500, 9001 x500, 9002 x500, all hidden behind a wall of 8995 x1, 8996 x2, 8997 x1, 8998 x4, and 8999 x1, to make players think they're legitimate sell offers.
Bundling prize boxes with energy again to entice players into buying Energy will help immensely.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 10:39
#7
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

I think offers should be locked for 24 hours, just like how bids on items are locked until someone outbids or the item ends.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 13:52
#8
Fangel's picture
Fangel
Yeah.

I think that you should only be able to have up to 10 buy offers at a time, and 10 sell offers at a time. If you're actively on SK you can sort of make a wall, but it's not going to be a scary, unbreakable wall like x500 is.

On top of this put in a new rule about how you can't make price walls on alts. This makes borderline players less likely to do so, and players who keep it up can be reported or eventually banned from the game or from the market. I think a market ban would be more helpful however, as it keeps the player in the game, and now they can't generate CE from the market (and instead, must trade other players or buy the CE outright). Also keeps them on their main account so they won't go make more alts and do the same thing again without penalty.

Thu, 07/16/2015 - 06:15
#9
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

think that you should only be able to have up to 10 buy offers at a time, and 10 sell offers at a time.

No, this shuts out players who want to buy a large amount of energy so they can convert it to crowns and bid on something on the auction house.
e.g A Ruby Aura pops up on the auction house for 1.5 million crowns, with a day left until the auction ends. You have 500,000 crowns, and you really really want the aura, but because of the stupid 10 offer limit, even if you do buy energy with real money, you have to sit around and literally babysit the market to keep 10 offers at a time until the 100 energy trades go through.
This is not what we're trying to do.

Think about the problem.

We are not trying to stop mass-shifting of energy, we are trying to stop players from mucking around with prices such as putting up offers they do not wish to complete (shill offers) and selling energy they bought very recently for the purpose of resale.

This of course, could all be solved very quickly by simply making Crystal Energy bound after it is traded once.
And yes, make the unbind fee 10% of the market price. This way people who purchase energy with real money are not penalized, while people who buy energy with crowns for the intention of resale are.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 07:33
#10
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

The energy price always seems to rubber band back to the average payout of FSC. I remember a while ago OOO started messing with the payout of FSC and the CE price almost perfectly mirrored their tinkering.

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