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Thu, 07/23/2015 - 09:45
Azure-Guardian

More weapons in the forgotten cutter family. I would mention the calibur family, too, but the brandishes and sealed family, with the acheron being an exception(no family tree) fill the gaps.

Edit:Also, I would like to see a Cold Iron Vanquisher version of the whole ''default'' set.

Edit(2):Having issue with posting a reply, so I'm just going to write them here.
Fangel: Just the cutters. There's probably a reason why they aren't making the 5* version of the spur, so nobody cares anymore. But from what I see, nothing's holding them back from making more cutters. Maybe it's their budget. And the CIV set of the armor and shield would probably look amazing. The art in this game is amazing, and the artists definitely deserve credit. Also, while I would prefer the CIV set not being cosmetic and being craftable(I even wouldn't have an issue with it being craftable at the sanctuary), maybe they just need the money.

Holy-Nightmare:I could not agree more. I really could not. The EVERYTHING is unbalanced.

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 10:13
#1
Fangel's picture
Fangel
um.

What...?

Are you asking for more variants of less popular weapon families?

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 14:35
#2
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Holy-Nightmare
@ Fangel

Certain weapons tend to be less popular because the popular choices are unbalanced. If items in SK were worked to be rebalanced you would end up seeing much more variety in gameplay..... rather than droves of Chaos, Skolver, and BK uses all with Brandishes, flourishes, autoguns, and type Blasters (both in and out of LD).

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 14:45
#3
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Trymal
I like it.

I think it is a good idea to have more cutter family weapons. Did you have any ideas in mind?

Fri, 07/24/2015 - 06:51
#4
Azure-Guardian
@Trymal

Reply testing. I did not have any ideas in mind, but when I tried to think of some, I remembered someone else did- http://blazingcobalt.deviantart.com/art/Spiral-Knights-Cold-Cutters-3352...
All rights go to blazingcobalt.deviantart.com
I was thinking it could have normal and shadow or just shadow damage, and definitely have the status effect equivalent of the dread venom striker, as in slight chance of causing strong freeze. However, I'm afraid that wouldn't work very well- lots of attacks and freeze do not mix.

We can't have one with fire, either, since the fang of vog already kinda took that place(sort of looks like a fire effect cutter).

The one that makes sense-and the one that would probably dominate- strikers with shock. Logically, elemental damage. But I fear this would be quite overpowered, since a shocked person can't really defend themself, allowing the fast striker to do even more damage. If the damage and shock is toned down, it should be balanced. However, if toned down a tad bit more than it has to be- another forgotten one in the cutter family.

Edit:Kinda getting back into the game now, currently on vacation with a laptop and burger king wifi and can't play. I forgot- when monsters are frozen, attacks don't break the ice, do they?

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 16:08
#5
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Falminar
Broken link

Here's the right link to the Cold Cutter idea page.

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Spiral-Knights-Cold-Cutters-335264839

Also, a fire cutter would be good, since the Fang of Vog doesn't attack like a cutter at all, though it does look like one.

(Also - Attacks on frozen monsters break the ice.)

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 16:12
#6
Azure-Guardian
@Vanaduke-Destroyer

Thanks, also, how would the fire cutter look?

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 16:27
#7
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Falminar
Idk

Maybe like the Vile Striker and Dread Venom Striker, but with a red/orange theme?

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 16:40
#8
Azure-Guardian
@Vanaduke-Destroyer

You. Just. Nailed. It.
The Fang of Vog does not have any additional shape changes like the Dread Venom Striker does.
This means that the artists could just change the color and maybe add a bit of the effect.

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 18:15
#9
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Holy-Nightmare
@ Azure

What if the fire version kept a dark grey color but the edges and the phantom blades would have edges similar to the Searing Edge
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Searing_Edge

Fri, 07/24/2015 - 04:14
#10
Azure-Guardian
@Holy-Nightmare

I don't like your idea. I don't really like mine, either. If they add it, they'll think of something. Maybe something like - have you noticed that the Fang of Vog isn't completely cracked? Only the middle piece. And it's not really full in a clean shape, either. Only the tip part of the blade.

I just got the idea of mixing yours up a bit. The 4* version could be the striker with those fire edges. But I kinda don't like the Searing Edge's edge. It's not really fire, it's more like a lightsaber. The 5* version could be completely cracked up, have the Dread Venom Striker's general shape- or it could be something completely new. I'm sure if it's going to be added, they'll think of something.

Fri, 07/24/2015 - 06:41
#11
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Holy-Nightmare
@ Azure

I suggested the Searing edge's effect because I'd love to see the beautiful storm of strobe effects when you get when combined with a cutter

Fri, 07/24/2015 - 06:47
#12
Azure-Guardian
@Holy-Nightmare

I still say too much lightsaber. The particle effect would be fine, the little flames that form around the blade, but not the blade itself.

Fri, 07/24/2015 - 10:27
#13
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Fangel
That's what they said

A cutter should remain in a cutter shape. What Holy-Nightmare is saying is the glowing effect from the searing edge could be put onto it.

As for the suggestion itself, sure. I think cutters could fill a role that many blades don't have. Personally, I am of the idea that Wild Hunting Blade should be turned into a piercing sword, and DVS should remain as is. At that point you can try to figure out the cutters a bit more. We don't need a bunch of variations of it, however as a shadow sword, it would also work. Piercing needs another weapon in its sword category, as it has exactly one attack style. Cutters are very effective against both enemies weak to pierce, hence a piercing one would be wonderful.

From there we can look at what other kind of enemies would be weak to this weapon. Slimes are a bit too hard with this blade as a cutter revolves around attacking enemies past each other, and they attack in a full 360 degree pattern. Gremlins can be annoying with a cutter as well, however it could work against them. Constructs and undead are both slow and predictable, so a cutter is going to make quick waste of them.
That being said, logically, we should have an elemental cutter... However it would be better in terms of "spreading out damage type swords" to have it be shadow.

Bottom line I guess is we need a piercing cutter, a normal one, and some other damage type (doesn't matter which). A while back we thought about a curse/shadow one, and that was neat, however a fire/shock-elemental one would be do-able too.

Cutters are great weapons, just overshadowed by their specialized-damage counterparts.

Fri, 07/24/2015 - 10:58
#14
Azure-Guardian
That's not what you saw.

We never talked about the shape. I'm guessing you have never had a Hot/Searing Edge. The blade is literally a laggy lightsaber and would not fit the cutter.
The Wild Hunting Blade having piercing damage- it makes sense, I'm sure very few people would have a problem with that, since they probably don't have it. Even if they do, they probably don't even use it.

Dread Venom Striker- possibly change damage to shadow, if not, change nothing about it.

Shock/Fire Cutter- elemental damage, shock makes more sense and could even be used in FSC...
But I would prefer both, because of IMF(Ironclaw Munitions Factory).

Fri, 07/24/2015 - 11:29
#15
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Fangel
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We never talked about the shape. I'm guessing you have never had a Hot/Searing Edge. The blade is literally a laggy lightsaber and would not fit the cutter.
The first part of critiquing a suggestion is knowing what the person is talking about. I wouldn't be making a statement on the searing edge if I had no idea what they looked like.
Also the game literally gives you a hot edge as a mission reward somewhere before the snarbolax mission. If I had managed to get 3814 hours out of this game without completing that mission, then maybe you'd have a point there...

I was mentioning the effect as it is not a lightsaber affect, it is a glowing outline similar to what the gran faust and divine avengers have, except only on one side. Unless I'm reading into this wrong, that's the affect proposed, alongside its glowing aura.

I will admit I haven't set eyes on either a hot edge or a searing edge for a long time, but that's mostly because I have a 5* combuster already sitting in my inventory.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 07:38
#16
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Holy-Nightmare
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@ Fangel

Sure the DA has a strobe effect but the Searing Edge's is so much more stronger. That is why I mentioned it, a weak strobe would be ok for the 4 star but I want it to look like my blade is somewhere in the past racing to catch up to my hands.

@ Azure

FYI I was talking about the strobe EFFECT not the Searing Edge shape... Seriously it's just a slightly more sophisticated proto blade.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 08:50
#17
Azure-Guardian
@Holy-Nightmare

I was talking about the effect, too. The cutters' attacks already make some sort of effect that fits. For the last time, the effect would not fit. The swords are simply too fast. And how they move looks clean. That effect would make it quite a bit more messy.

At this point, the discussion's kinda over. It would be ideal if a GM or developer saw it. It boils down to:

- Maybe change the Wild Striker & Wild Hunting Blade's damage to piercing.
- Maybe change the Vile Striker & Dread Venom Striker's damage to shadow.
- The first two are not really as important as the last one - a new 4* & 5* striker that deal elemental damage and the Shock/Fire status(preferrably shock).

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