One thing I've been wondering about,
Is rulen still alive before getting in the core, because he was "engulfed by the darkness"
food for thought. What do you guys think about it?
rulen, alpha squad fate
Sat, 03/12/2016 - 09:32
Sat, 03/12/2016 - 10:53
#2
Yup
MASSIVE SPOILERS
Rulen just is unaccounted for. Grantz is the one that didn't make it. Parma's hiding in a safe place within the core, and Euclid decided to take the swarm on head-first.
Sat, 03/12/2016 - 15:20
#3
:/
The real Rulen got trapped under the ice cap of Amu-sol and he is still in suspended animation, the 'Rulen' that followed Alpha squad into the core is actually a sleeper agent of the Swarm, and he signaled the swarm at just the right time to ambush the other three members. He was assimilated back into the swarm once when his purpose was complete.
Sat, 03/12/2016 - 15:29
#4
Uh...
Is that a theory or a leaked spoiler? Either way 0-O
Sat, 03/12/2016 - 17:17
#5
I totally forgot
I completely forgot about Rulen disappearing and fighting for the sleeper -_-
Well, maybe we'll find more about the squad in the next set of missions that will come out someday
Sat, 03/12/2016 - 17:17
#6
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Midnight-Dj makes things up according to their own headcanon and states them like facts. There is no link to the swarm outside of Shadow Lairs, recon modules, and specific rank missions.
Sat, 03/12/2016 - 17:49
#7
@Fangel
So, I guess the 'it came from below' mission is also just a pipe dream then, even though it shows swarm is perfectly capable of infiltrating to normal clockwork level and can take forms of many entities.
Sat, 03/12/2016 - 21:12
#8
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and specific rank missions
I mentioned specific rank missions. "It Came From Below" is a rank mission featuring the swarm.
There is no record of a swarm entity possessing the form of a knight, especially not in a way that could be a convincing disguise. All void monsters are black with pink highlights - most knights of any sort of ranking within the spiral order typically have some sort of uniform - such as blue and white, red and white, and yellow and white. Black and pink is likely not a "technician" or "alpha squad" color scheme, thus a void Rulen would be very noticeable.
Bottom line is that no, Rulen is not trapped in Heart of Ice. No, Rulen was not infected by the swarm. However, in your own headcanons and fanfics, anything not explicitly stated can happen. It's just that headcanons and fanfics are not game lore, and shouldn't be regarded as such.
Sun, 03/13/2016 - 02:18
#9
@Fangel
No, Rulen was not infected by the swarm.
We are at the end of the line. Pursued by some kind of terrible darkness we are forced into the unknown. As we neared the Core- I don't know how to describe this really... the shadows came alive and began to attack us. Rulen became enveloped in it and by the time Grantz freed him his body was badly burned. He said it felt like both fire and ice. ~ a passage from Parma's recon module at the core terminal
Or did he? Maybe the Rulen they pulled out, the burned one is a doppelganger and the real one is dead? *cue dramatic music*
Sun, 03/13/2016 - 17:36
#10
2d20's+ Cha modifier-Wis modifer= what I think of you...
@Midnight-Dj
Oh, go write a fanfic with the rest of us over in the SK lore fanatic boat.
Mon, 03/14/2016 - 18:53
#11
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Grantz was outright killed by the swarm as far as we know. Rulen was rescued, but injured.
Speculate all you like, but as far as official lore goes no, Rulen was not infected by the swarm, there is no swarm version of Rulen, and Rulen was never encased in ice in Heart of Ice.
Mon, 03/14/2016 - 20:19
#12
Pessimism level restored
@Fangel
Grantz was outright killed by the swarm as far as we know.
If we are talking about Grantz being killed, how do you know that if that was truly Parma you talked to at the end of DaN? There is no corpse of Grantz to be found so you have no actual proof that Grantz is actually dead, and since we have seen programmed machines are capable of lying in GitM, how do you know if that is Parma and not a E-type sprite that is relaying false message to you? Cradle is deceiving, never trust it with face value, you should know this better than most. (*hint* * hint* 'breaking into the recruits' shows that you can literally recreate any clockwork level from another to set up an ambush)
Rulen was not infected by the swarm, there is no swarm version of Rulen, and Rulen was never encased in ice in Heart of Ice.
Again, you have not enough concrete evidence to disclaim any of my theories, there are simply too many holes in the lore for you to fill up with the bits of lore OOO spoon fed to us in the past four years. And besides, why are you this determined in trying to prevent others' imagination? Who are you to decide what is real in this imaginary world?
But there is one thing that I can be sure of, without a shadow of a doubt, is that:
In real life, I am not a DJ and you are not an angel, case closed.
Tue, 03/15/2016 - 09:53
#13
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Are you... Are you dismissing the official lore of the game because it doesn't fit into your personal headcanon?
You're free to imagine whatever you want with the lore of the game, however time and time again you've shown that you attempt to inject your personal thoughts on game lore into the official story, and time and time again you confuse players who are not overly familiar with the game's lore and are flat out asking about what we know. Never have I seen you preface your thoughts with a statement such as "in my headcanon" or "i believe" before stating your thoughts, leading to the impression that you know what you're talking about.
All I'm doing is clearing up the misinformation you put out on the table in the first place.
As for what I think about your theory, well, I don't think it's very sound in the first place for the reasons I listed earlier. Would make for an interesting story, but I don't see that being an element of our game's lore.
Tue, 03/15/2016 - 14:44
#14
@Fangel
Are you... Are you dismissing the official lore of the game because it doesn't fit into your personal headcanon?
I prefer calling it, 'taking it with a grain of salt'. As I have pointed out before, there is no concrete evidence to suggest that every NPC on cradle is obligated to tell you the truth. In fact, on several occasions, you are lied to right in the face (what dark ritual?), there are ambiguity regarding the formation of cradle too and it was never explicit as to who or what made this world all possible. I know you may say it is the core, then who created the core?
I am simply telling them the same story pieced together with my own method. It is the same with every story where you need to fill up the gaps with fantasies, how many Christians in the state simply refer to Jesus, their all so loving savior as a white guy, as supposed to the more historically accurate Palestinian Jew? People throughout history have taken head canon of the past, how many people out there still thinks the USA never landed on the moon? How many people out there still thinks that 9/11 is a governmental hoax? How many people out there still thinks that Osama Bin laden is still alive?
All I'm doing is clearing up the misinformation you put out on the table in the first place.
These are not misinformation, these are theories that may or may not come true some day, and if SK shuts down overnight, then all fan theory could be potentially the truth as there won't be any more concrete lore for you to rely on. But hey, that is just a theory, a game theory! Thanks for reading.
Tue, 03/15/2016 - 15:26
#15
Well.
I'll take your headcanon with a grain of salt, and while I'm all for spouting theories, I'm not all that enthralled by stating that theory as a fact, especially when someone has a genuine response to such a thing when it has no backing.
And before you try to apply any sort of religious, scientific, or other circumstantial definition of "theory", I am talking entirely about storytelling of an MMO.
Simply because something isn't stated doesn't mean it holds weight in the game's lore. My headcanon could be the morai destroyed isora, and are closing in on cradle, but are watching us through telescopes and sipping space tea and you couldn't prove me wrong. That doesn't mean it's happening. Similarly, I could say that there are invisible aliens that exist in your home, studying your every move, documenting your every post... And you couldn't prove me wrong there either because I could keep making things up to cover my tracks.
I'm stating what we do know, not what we haven't been told.
Parma's Scout says that Rulen disappeared after Euclid started fighting for the Sleeper. He could've died then, but he didn't die after getting 'eaten' by the Swarm. He was just badly burned.