[Autogun]->[Needle Shot/Pepperbox]->[Claws of Wolver/Ash Tail]
-Damage/Basic Attack Stats: Strike Needle/Fiery Pepperbox
-Charge Attack Time: 200% Strike Needle/Fiery Pepperbox
-Charge Attack Strength: 2 Strike Needles/Fiery Pepperboxes.
-Charge Attack: Sends a spiritual Wolver/Ash Tail 3 tiles forward, Mortafire-style! Sends you onto your butt like a Magnus used to.
-Claws of Wolver is required for Claws of Dusker
[Autogun]->[Needle Shot]->[Claws of Wolver]->[Claws of Dusker]
-Basic Attack Stats: Blitz Needle.
-Charge Time: 150% Blitz Needle.
-Charge Strength: 2 Blitz Needles.
-Charge: Dusker version of CoW's.
[Claws of Ash Tail]->[Claws of Vog]
-Basic: VP.
-Time: 200% VP.
-Strength: 200% VP.
-Charge: Vog version of CoW's/CoAT's.
[Brandish]->[Katana]->[Silent Katana]->[Rhino Charger/Dragonblade]
-Piercing version of Nightblade branch of Brandish.
-Rhino Charger charges for the charge attack and is also the heavy weapon for Piercing damage.
-Dragonblade Charge Attack: sends a spiritual elemental damage Japanese dragon of fire as a similarity to the elemental damage line of Antigua.
[Elemental Blaster]->[Flaming Blaster]->[Tusk of Vog]
-Fire Blasters.
-Gremlin Scorcher flamethrower attack is the Flaming Blaster charge attack.
-Tusk of Vog has big fireballs.
-Tusk of Vog's Charge Attack: FoV's charge attack, but weaker and followed by a shot that fires a spiritual Vog head.
More sword and gun branches ripe for the adding coming soon.
Edits to some gun/sword alchemy lines
Blaster line(2*-5*)=Normal (maybe some piercing)
EB Line(3*-5*)=Elemental
FB Line(3*-5*)=Elemental+Fire
PB Line(3*-5*)=Piercing
SB Line(3*-5*)=Shadow
Nightblade line(3*-5*)=Shadow
OC(5*)=Shadow+Poison
Katana line(3*-5*)=Nightblade line, but Piercing
DB(5*)=Piercing+ElementalCharge
Pikachu Blade(CR)(TM)(5*)=FoV, but Shock. Would be in a Pokemon Prize Box. Cutter/Striker/FoV reskin.
-[EDIT] The charge attack has the sound "PIKACHUUUUUUUU!" in Pikachu's voice style
Team Rocket Launcher(CR)(TM)(5*)=Magnus normal/PG charge style, but 5* and fires rockets with lavender R's on them. Same as Pikachu Blade. Valiance reskin.
-[EDIT] The charge attack says "Team Rocket, blast off at the speed of light!"
Golden Chainspear(5*)=DCG reskin with golden Piercing-damage spears as ammo.
A katana dealing piersing demage? That's the most hilarious suggestion I've seen untill now. Katana is one of the least effective and least powerfull swords when it comes to stabbing. It's like bringing a knife to a swordfight. It is however somewhat good at chopping, but Sabers/Shamshirs, broadswords, Highlander(and Lowlander) swords, Dane axes and surten Messers(to mention a few) do all outperform it. Katanas are really good at slashing, but you will never slash your way through even light armours(Beware of costume armour). ^^
A well-sharpened katana, mind you, can cut through METAL. Also, Spiral Knights is quirky, childish, and above all, including you, FUN.
[Ignoring Nizada for 10,000 years.]
Making a suggestion for a piercing brandish. $3.
Suggesting a crossover with Nintendo. $25
Ignoring people because they critique your suggestion. Priceless
While the technicalities of visuals isn't too big of a deal, most of the items here are a big no from me.
Autogun modification - is this a fire pierce more OP autogun? Because it sounds like it but without the charge attack that makes autoguns useful.
Piercing brandish - lolwut. We don't need a sword that covers every damage type, especially not the brandish with how OP it is.
Blaster modification - Agree with Blazecat here. Blasters are the ol' reliable gun, nothing special on them. Alchemers are our status guns of that sort. The flamethrower charge is cool but shouldn't be on a blaster weapon.
Also, the Katana line would be less OP due to some WEAK AND FUZZY logic.
Claws of [insert Wolver type here] has a longer charge than an Autogun with half as strong of a charge, sort of like how the tank armors make you more tank-like, and the Iron Slug makes you slower.
[Ignoring Fangel for 10,000 days]
And like the Pokemon theme songs say, Gotta Catch 'Em All!
Goodbye.
So wait, the charge attack takes twice as long to charge and deals half as much damage? What point does it have at that point? Literally gimping yourself with that weapon opposed to an autogun.
How would a piercing acheron be less OP? The reason it's OP is because it does the same damage as a heavy sword (gran faust). How would a split pierce/normal sword with heavy damage values be less OP than a split shadow/normal sword with heavy damage values? All it does is be more useful VS certain monster types, but as it stands acheron is more useful against beasts than a flourish.
Additionally, it doesn't matter how much you like Pokemon, we aren't going to get any Pokemon promotional items without Grey Havens and Nintendo reaching out and working with each other. The likelihood of that happening is pretty small, and even smaller that it would go anywhere. On top of that we likely wouldn't get voice clips in the game due to the nature of the game.
Edited by the Game Master
a longer charge than an Autogun with half as strong of a charge
I don't see how this can be interpreted any other way other than "twice as long of a charge with half its damage". Now you're saying it takes longer but is more powerful?
"Weak and fuzzy logic" seems like something you just made up. Okay actually here, I'll google it right now.
Aaand after a moment of looking at results, I'm no-where clearer to what you were trying to get across. In the context of this suggestion, "weak and fuzzy" logic seems to mean "light sword with the damage of a heavy sword", and that's something I'm against.
Promo ideas are dandy and all, but perhaps it would be better to design items for the sake of the item, not for a promotion that likely won't be happening.
"A well-sharpened katana, mind you, can cut through METAL."
Hrrmff...hf..Hahahahahaha! It can cut through the barrel of a tank can't it? Or the core of the earth?(Bevare of loosing it on the ground!)
But for real. Yes. It can cut through thin metal foil... But even my pocket knife can do that... :P
That comment really made my day! I didn't think anyone still believed this... ^^
Butter knives can also cut through metal.
https://i.imgur.com/31ABwwp.gif?noredirect
Awesome! ^^
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And a katana, mind you, can cut through thicker metal than that when sharpened enough. And your pocket knife can't cut through wood, can it?
Yes, you said half the damage and twice the charge time, we got that, which makes it really weak and near useless compared to the other autoguns
Again, common sense with the katana, it physically cannot be sharp enough to cut through more than a thin sheet of metal
you want katanas as a piercing weapon. that doesnt make sense. katanas CUT, they dont pierce.
lets have a thought experiment to understand what I mean. consider someone telling you to pierce a piece of paper. what will you do, a) stab a pencil through a sheet of paper, or do you b) get some scissors and cut the paper in half.
if you answered b, congrats, you failed. a katana is made for cutting. its curve and the less than ideal tip make it an awful stabbing weapon.
rapiers on the other hand (which flourishes and BTB are) are made to stab. if you want a piercing weapon, think of weapons that are actually used for stabbing. daggers would be great for stabbing, pears and pikes are made to stab, lances are made to ram, which is almost the same, some weapons like spiked maces or morning stars pierce in addition to also crushing. honestly, there are so many better weapon choices.
Yes... my pucket knife can cut through wood... Have you ever used a knife? That's to a large extent what they're made for... :P
Katana vs Soft Steel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC952ICHw1Q
Watch it from 3:50. Here you will see a compleate moron ruin a perfectly good sword. Still amusing to watch though. ^^
@Vohtarak-Forum: You just called my idea weak when I said it sacrificed the speed of someone using an even slower-charging weapon with Charge Time Reduction: Very High (or higher) while wearing 9 Swiftstrike Bucklers for double the strength of a weaker, but faster weapon. [EDIT] Also, it is technically a Mixmaster (which would make more sense as the catch-all fighting style of guns) crafted and based off of an Autogun. [EDIT] I was kinda exaggerating to say that this "Mixmaster" was like a stronger, but slower Autogun. [EDIT] And why are you raining down on my suggestion post? Is it because you got confused?
@Nizada: I said nothing about soft steel. [EDIT] And aren't knives designed for cutting FOOD? [EDIT] And I have used a knife to try and cut a piece of skirt steak, which I had thought was a big piece of beef jerky. [EDIT] And the moron might not have sharpened it enough, so it still might work.
@Neueragon: Cutting is sharp, and Piercing uses giant chameleon's tongues, when in a logical world, it would be strictly Normal damage. Also, tropical fruit is not made for stabbing. [EDIT] Spears and pikes are the same thing: spears. If that is not enough, there is two kinds of spear: the throwing kind (a bomb trying to be a gun ([EDIT] this is because it would basically need a charge attack to operate)), and the thrusting kind (a staff aspiring to be a sword). Either way, it is a weapon wanting to be something else. [EDIT] Yes, I know you want this to be Normal Damage, but Piercing can be interpreted multiple ways. And I would do Piercing damage to the paper monster via Scissor Blades.
[EDIT] Pierce: Getting through armor.
Knives and other edged tools/weapons are designed to cut whatever is resonably softer then them. Some knifes like kitchen knives are specificly desingned to cut various types of food, and therefor exell at that. Most outdoor knives are designed just to cut whatever, and is somewhat good at cutting most things that are softer than them. Bigger knives like leafknives, samic knives, axes and machetes usually exel at wooden targets, whilest swords tends to exel vs flesh and bone(same as most kitchen knifes). ^^
When you say metal that sort of include all sorts of metal... Most sorts of metal would still give you a simular result to that in the video.
If you could not cut a steak with your knife, that knife is incredably dull. Most big kitchen knifes should(With the right tecnicue) cut through bones without much struggle. Are you sure you used the knife to cut? As opposed to simply pushing it at the steak or trying to saw it over?
I dont understand your whole rant about spears. you can stab people with them, you dont HAVE to throw them. and pikes are a special kind of spear.
so you say piercing is cutting. we can both agree that levi is made to cut, right? it looks pretty damn sharp compared to a lot of other swords. but no, it isnt piercing. it deals normal damage because it isnt used to stab. and yes, pierce is getting through armor. if you use a sword to slash away at armor, you wont go through it unless the armor is terrible. stabbing is much better to penetrate armor, which is what stabbing weapons do. if you stab, you can aim for weak points in the armor much better than with slashing. if you disagree, how about you find a video showing someone slicing up some thick metal armor with a katana?
or how about I show you a video explaining exactly why slicing through plate armor is complete nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCtV_M1n38c
btw, why do you have dozens of [EDIT][EDIT][EDIT] in your post? it looks terrible.
I said weak because your own suggestion said it has twice the charge time and half damage, meaning you wait longer to release a charge thats half as strong, unless you intended something completely different from what you said then you're contradicting yourself for the sole purpose of getting angry at people who review your suggestions
It was always the way I describe. If it wasn't, then I would have put in an [EDIT] sign in somewhere. (this is not an edit)
for that dragonblade brandish line (although i dont think we need another brandish line) you could make a super cool dragon animation instead of the charge attack bubble explosion thingys that all the rest of the 5* brandish lines have, and for the other one you could make it like, an actual rhino charging, although it would be kidna out there if there wasnt a rhino enemy added to the game first.
Blah.
It just sounds like pimped-out versions of already mainstream weapons. No thanks, I'd rather have reskins.
Also katana can't cut through SOLID metal, but it can cut through really thin/soft metal solely because of the atomic bonds.
It doesn't matter how sharp it is, it won't cut through legit metal if the katana is made out of the same thing. They just don't have the durability.
For example, it's like trying to use sharp cheese to cut cheese. Not going to happen because the force is too strong that it'll just break the sharp cheese.
Metal's just the opposite where you need strength that people don't possess.
Wanna cut through metal? Try learning extreme precision and super strength on a katana. It'll still break the katana but hey, metal's been (kind of) cut.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" that's going on in this thread right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in Spiral Knights. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(4* Fast Sword)
6-7 bars Normal/Piercing damage
5 bars attack speed
+Medium to ASI and Damage
Counts as Shadow Lair gear
(5* Fast Sword)
7-8 bars Normal/Piercing damage
5 bars attack speed
+High to ASI and Damage
Counts as Shadow Lair gear
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in Spiral Knights, see my new stat block.
(yes, if you don't know, this is a pasta)
i bet my cardboard wings can cut through your katana
Fangel, you're hacking.
Seriously. You get steaming mad over katana's. I agree that they are cool, strong, and fantastic weapons, but they are NOT USED FOR STABBING. A rapier (FLOURISH WEAPON LINE) can be used to stab someone. A small inconspicuous knife can be used to stab someone. a pike/polearm/spear/trident can be used to stab someone. A weighted, heavy broadsword, can shear through armour, and so can a katana. But that's not stabbing someone. That's using physical force to dent and rend metal.
So are we agreed, that if a katana is added to SK, that it be normal damage and not piercing? (and for the love of Vog, not another Brandish)
Note: I did not read everything, it's 6 in the morning give me a break •),_, •)
Another Note: I'm fairly certain I suggested something along the lines of a shadow fire katana well over a year ago. I demand we see that as well.
Piercing brandish? I think we have enough brandish as is.
Blaster variants with status effects? I think the Blaster is supposed to be a novice gun with just flat damage for skrubs. I think.
Autogun whatever? Well, I actually don't care that much.