Spiral Knights

WHY!?

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Sat, 07/30/2016 - 17:26

Jamie-Laannister

WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY 200cr to play LD or BN?
WHY is there forge system that no one likes?
WHY does it cost more to recover accesory than buying itself from AH?
WHY does 100e cost 11kcr?
WHY is SK trying so hard to make this game worse instead of making it better and listen to community?

Let me guess next update: NEW BOXES!!!! only 5 dollars per piece and you can even buy 14 for 50 dollars, naa who needs new actual content lets just make more costumes, no wait lets just make them different color.

im not happy

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 17:32

Artistbma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oKdvFCC8Tc

Welcome to Spiral Knights

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 17:40

Teddysmacker

Uhh..

Chess boxes count as content. It's not necessary to spend real money on it as well.
Also they don't make different hue promotional boxes as much anymore since they switched to Grey havens.
Give it time already, lmao. It's a lot of behind the scenes stuff that people don't expect.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 17:42

Technical-Failure

1: 200cr makes it so you have

1: 200cr makes it so you have something to lose if you end up trolling your team mates and plain going afk due to dumbfounded reasons like toxicity, paying those 200cr may not be much, but after a phew games it ends up stacking, although not many people care about it.

2:dont like the forge system, but the only thing i dont like is that we need to leave the mission in order to level our gear up, i dont mind the rarities we need for heating said gear.

3:You dont need to pay to put accessories into gear, and accessories dont get bound to character, only the gear it's atached to it, not everything is how we wish it to be, although i would like the unbinding prices to be a smaller.

4: ask the community.

5:because if you think coding new content is easy you should try it, reskins and boxes generate money, money generates content, content generates happy players wich generate more money. but if no one buys energy or boxes, there is no content, so what can they do? more pay content(boxes), and who knows, maybe they are right now discussing new ideas for content in the game, and btw, the new ''reskins'' aren't really reskins, it's content, new entities that were added to the game, wich i happen to enjoy, collecting chess pieces with my guild mates wich are phew, and playing actual chess in-game, dont compare that to ThreeRings that ended up having an actual reskin every month of the same gear, exact same gear, but with new colours, we probably have the whole rainbow right about now from all the reskins, but since GH took over, we got 2 new events/content, although they weren't permanent.

not happy? http://store.steampowered.com/

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 17:48

Ganzfeld-Effect

blep

Tiny crown sink.
To slow progression with free elevators.
To give you the chance to salvage something you may be attached to.
Economics.
Because this is Spiral Knights, not Samobscmed Knights.

I can only assume this thread exists because rage threads have been clinically proven to cause immediate effect. This includes, but is not limited to, overhauls to the entire game, loss of appetite, molting, tasting the color purple and inexplicable combustion.

You can throw around "why do they do this" like a frisbee all, but there is going to be nobody on the other side of the park to catch it.

That Chess box was something that came up in suggestions a while ago if I recall. Chess board floors and pieces to play with. They do listen. Just because you need something new every week to be interested doesn't mean the game is snowballing down a hill into the abyss.

You're essentially saying "I don't like this, now fix it" without giving a way on how. Actually, it's not even that. It's publicly saying you're unhappy with no real topic.

If you're not happy, go do something you enjoy for a while that isn't the game. Perhaps something artistic.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:07

Jamie-Laannister

its so hard to read these

its so hard to read these stupid reposts telling me if im not happy go do something else, man i cant believe u are actually defending them for doing nothing, if coding is so hard for them then perhaps they should find a different job. Don't u all see it this game lives on few dumb ppl that buy these crappy boxes and there is just these box events one after the other and its just gonna keep going. As far as LD there should be penalty for leaving match some sort of LD ban. i mean 200 cr srsly are u fkin kidding me and reward for wining is what like 60 cr profit for 10minutes match, they dont care about pvp at all they dont care about game all they want is get as much money as they can before SK eventually comes to an end

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:26

Ganzfeld-Effect

blep

Calm your shorts there, sunshine.

Friend, Lockdown and Blast Network are minigames. People take Lockdown way too seriously sometimes. They're meant to be things to do on the side when people get tired of the grind, not sources of extreme profit. Losing the entry fee for leaving is plenty. If you're treating Lockdown as a competitive sport in its current state, I'd be questioning my depth of involvement in it.

We're suggesting you do other things because generally when people do something that makes them unhappy, they do just that: they find something else to do, and stop doing the thing that makes them unhappy.

Those "crappy boxes" give them revenue to continue to pay people to work there. There are a decent number of rotational events to keep giving people things to do. You don't 100% need to pay with money to play things.

At the end of the day, Spiral Knights is a game.

Games are meant to be played and provide entertainment.

When it no longer does this, you move onto something that does.

If your ship is on fire and sinking, don't try to duct tape everyone else to the floor and force them down with you.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:33

Jamie-Laannister

u are talking as if im

u are talking as if im playing SK 12 hours a day, i play this few hours max.. SK makes me happy still i have fun but these devs are making game worse and worse i mean just leave it alone and stop fking it up. Arnold would say '' you train or you don't ''

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:38

Ganzfeld-Effect

blep

Didn't mean to imply play time, so I apologize for that one.

So far, since GH took over, they have released the Golden Slime Casino, added more screen resolution options, rotated in the black kats which, admittedly, is probably in need of a makeover later, and now gave us the Chess things with a guild hall update.

It's progress. They could have just continued the spree of recolored costumes, but they didn't. It's going to take more time than has yet passed.

Voicing concern is good, as it gives them feedback. Blatantly bashing their methods and calling them out in a violent manner is not.

Why not turn that energy into a suggestion thread instead on how you believe things could be improved?

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:41

Corporal-Shade

Hello Darkness, my Old Friend.

Yes indeed. The few people that play the game defend it because they believe it is capable of survival. The rest? Some nameless merchants.

Grey Havens is not just some money hungry company. They are just taking over Spiral Knights to keep it alive. That's what they do.

So the point is, I don't have to give you a big lecture. All I have to say is:
"That's what you think."

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:42

#10

Nebrium

...

Maybe players are making the game worse lol.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:44

#11

Angel-Girl

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You can complain all you want, but if you dislike the contnet so much then just DON'T PLAY. If it makes you angry that we tell you to do that, then sorry, but that's probably the best solution for you right now.
There's no need to go and rant about things that have been ranted a ton of times in such a way that makes you sound like a whiny kid.

I understand that not talking about the things you don't like results in explosions, but you could at least be a bit more logical instead of saying the creators are just money-milkers, and just sit and do nothing instead of trying to do VERY DIFFICULT CODING THAT NO ONE ELSE WILL DO. That's SEGA with Spiral Knights, not Grey Havens, though I'd say less exaggerated...
And honestly, is there really anything wrong that there are a bajillion reskins out there as content? Others might think so, but really, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with them when you stare at it for long enough. Yes, it will drive people away without gameplay content, but I really don't care for one.

When it comes down to it, NOTHING MATTERS. It's not the end of the world if a game doesn't have everything that matches your needs. If there's barely any gameplay updates, well then leave the game to itself! No one's forcing you to play so don't waste time groaning about something you dislike when you could easily forget about it. If you're ranting just to rant, then there's definitely nothing I can say or do to stop the negativity.

But if you're done talking, great. Go enjoy the game or take a break, or leave altogether and don't ruin it for yourself anymore by complaining. But that is all I got to say.

~Angel-Girl the Valkyrie

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:51

#12

Jamie-Laannister

1. i wont post on suggestion

1. i wont post on suggestion thread because nothing will change, forge will remain stupid and unfriendly to players, items will keep haveing stupid prices no matter if i post there or not nothing will change
2. i don't find this to be a violent manner, im sure many players agree with me but again it spiral knights they do what they want not what players want
3. i don't really care about this i know SK is just a game it just happens that i have some spare time
4. if i want to play chess i sure wont do it on SK because that is just retarded
if you call this adding content then either u are new to SK or you just don't care about actual content u log on SK to chat with friends and thats the only thing u log in for

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 18:57

#13

Ganzfeld-Effect

blep

We'll agree to disagree then. Have a good one.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 19:02

#14

Jamie-Laannister

ye you say that because im

ye you say that because im right. U probably log in to chat this game is chat for you when was the last time u played clockworks xD

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 19:06

#15

Corporal-Shade

Hello Darkness, my Old Friend.

if i want to play chess i sure wont do it on SK because that is just retarded
if you call this adding content then either u are new to SK or you just don't care about actual content u log on SK to chat with friends and thats the only thing u log in for

Lel. Rage. gg as in git gud is gonna get slapped across your face.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 19:11

#16

Jamie-Laannister

how can you know if im raging u dont hear me talk, there is no audio so u dont rly know, it's all in ur head.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 19:15

#17

Ganzfeld-Effect

blep

"when was the last time u played clockworks"'

Earlier today. Is that relevant?

I'm from 2011. I've seen everything it has to offer. I still enjoy it and am fine with how things are going currently. Like you, I don't actively play for hours on end. When I do, I find it fun. Heating things with the forge is entertaining to me, as previously with just heat it wasn't fun getting a 5* item to level 10 in two floors with heat sharing from party members. It was hilarious, but not really "fun."

That's why I said we'll agree to disagree. There's no argument to be "won," though if you need a hollow victory, it's yours.

I merely mean my views differ from yours. No more, no less.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 19:20

#18

Corporal-Shade

Hello Darkness, my Old Friend.

Okay y'know what just shut up for a minute.
...
If you hate this game so much then why do you keep talking to us?

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 19:56

#19

Petater

He doesn't hate the game, he dislikes the neglect.

These rants from people are because they care, not because they hate the game. Having only positive feedback because you're too in denial about direction being poor is not healthy.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 20:34

#20

Teddysmacker

Pooke.

@Petater
Can probably say the same thing about being in denial from the positive possibilities. There's just as much proof/details to say either way.
Don't act like we're in the wrong when it's clear this is a thread for debate.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 21:11

#21

Petater

@ Teddysmacker

Game going in the positive direction recently? That's hard to say, but I guess that depends on what your idea of SK is.
I'm saying criticism outside your niche circle isn't invalid, I'm not saying there's no positives.

Specifically, the promos are fine. The problem I see lies in GH not giving the community a reason to actively log in, causing much of the former p2w to see little value in continuing to p2w.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 22:30

#22

Poothis

Patience is a virtue

As said before, coding takes quite a lot of time, especially for brand new content. And even before content can be coded, ideas need to be thrown around (reason for the suggestions part of the forums) and all those ideas need to meld into the current game well (if it's story stuff). All that takes quite a bit of time by itself and with Grey Havens being an already tiny team means that patience is important.

The forge is may seem annoying, but it's actually a VERY fair tradeoff for the free elevators. If Grey Havens were suddenly going to reinstate the elevator fees, more complaints about said fees would return. And the reason why people like playing chess within the game (even if it seems a little silly I'll admit) is because the novelty of being able to play with friends that you make within the game is enjoyable.

I'll agree with the lack of completely brand new content. HOWEVER, again, Grey Havens is a small company... VERY small. You really have to have the patience to wait, otherwise, you just gotta do other stuff. Find other things to do that you also find enjoyment in and then once an update does come out you'll have super hype (Like I did when I saw that the chess and guild update came out... ok I wasn't that hyped for that update specifically but it showed great promise of what's to come in the future). So please, learn to be a little patient, good things come to those who wait, delay of gratification and all that.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 22:56

#23

Petater

Doesn't matter if forge is fair, it's adding too much indirection making people go "meh" and quit. They don't value SK enough to splurge on with where the average population count currently resides.

My opinion is they honestly should do login rewards + lure jempire back into pvp. Make a new LD map and new bribe rewards or do Superbrawl/bombhead events maybe. Reskin snarby/rjp and make them timeframe locked before reversion to normal mode, with rewards for farming. They don't have to make new maps honestly, just reskin them and throw rewards for doing them, and make it *feel* tangible/more direct.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 23:08

#24

Delecated

@Petater

Well, what OP is doing across their posts is criticizing, but just not constructively.

It makes me question why a very logical person like you would defend someone who is incoherent, volatile and combative.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 23:08

#25

Jul-Dummy

IMO

In my opinion, Grey Havens are like firefighters extinguishing a building on fire with shortage of water. I mean, Grey Havens are doing quite the job just keeping the game afloat with a small/above small team, i really think that the employees at Grey Havens are fans of the game just like us, so they are trying to save what they did, their work, their art piece, their craft, etc etc.

Imagine you are working in something you always wanted to work in. picture yourself idle, seeing how a work you're proud of falls down a cliff, in that moment you got two choices, throw away all the memories, work, blood and effort you put to make that, or be brave and grab your work before it falls.

Grey Havens are brave people, they remained firm, and saved their works (Spiral Knights, Puzzle Pirates) but they are still on the edge of the cliff, surviving, trying not to fall again, sitting, thinking, learning and preparing to stand up.

They are not with SEGA anymore, so they must learn to crawl then walk and then if they keep learning they'll run.
But before that they must get some space and breathe and begin to try and fail to learn.

Sat, 07/30/2016 - 23:42

#26

Petater

@Delecated

I guess poor phrasing and expression mandates a followup by someone attempting to explain the actual reasoning.

IMO though, it's not that they aren't paywalling right, it's just that they need a much higher population count so people validate splurging casually like circa 2011-2012. Continue the promos, just be aware you need to make it addictive for F2P to log in daily.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 01:12

#27

Poothis

Petater has a bot

As much as I hate to admit it, Petater's suggestions aren't that bad. I very much agree with adding some sort of incentive to log in (ie the login rewards), but I can't really say much about the LD stuff since I don't dabble in that stuff much unless I want Krogmo recipes. But overall, Petater is kinda right.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 01:28

#28

Petater

I referenced LD, as that's very addictive when there's a substantial amount of people playing it with inter-guild poop slinging. A ton of people circa 2011-2012 would throw down thousands of dollars for top tier UVs just for LD. I want GMs to see that if they can get that going again (not just LD, but pve too), it may turn into a money printing press.

Might reach the point of semantic satiation with the vocabulary term "inherent value" with me.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 04:26

#29

Jamie-Laannister

LD used to be crowded even on Europe server, now? Now its dead because a lot of ppl left the game for good. There was time when the only thing i did on SK was LD because there was nothing else to do nothing new but i didn't mind because there were ppl playing it and i had fun. Today LD is dead and it's gona be hard to bring it back to life. I feel like PVP in MMORPGs iis very important part of the game. I don't wana leave the game because i love SK i played it as a kid and back then god damn it was so much fun to me, first 5star wep Leviathan blade lol i was so proud back in the day. I still do some runs but i spent less and less time on SK simply because there is nothing new to do and because they make existing thing so much harder to do.(example: forge, orbs won't drop, energy price is something to laugh about). i appreciate Petater because it looks like he is the only one with brains. And i hate that SK is becoming some sort of a CHAT room, i don't mind ppl talking on SK but they spend hours on town square and just do nothing in game just chat then log of and day after day i see these ppl(won't say names) but who would blame them, what else is there to do once ur vanguard lol.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 04:45

#30

Bonjourhippo

Yeah buddy, the game aged.

Yeah buddy, the game aged. Perhaps you should too, you sound like a 10 years old.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 05:02

#31

Midnight-Dj

@Bonjour

Really, the 'grow up' card? Come on hippo, I know you have some better insults left in you. Considering OP's inability to paraphrase and adding 'lol' at the end of a sentence, he/she must be way younger than ten years old, you are practically complimenting the OP as supposed to insulting him.

Now, how about we just stop wasting time with this obvious troll and let this thread disappear from our memory?

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 05:16

#32

Bonjourhippo

I couldn't resist. There

I couldn't resist. There should be a name for that kind a thread, an "insult-me-bait" of sorts. Oh wait..that's called clickbait.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 05:36

#33

Jamie-Laannister

Ok call me a kid, and who are

Ok call me a kid, and who are you? Some 40 years old bastard who is insulting kids on the internet? Go get a job.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 06:27

#34

Bonjourhippo

yawn

Just some normal dude who doesn't suffer anger management issues. You'll never get a point across with that attitude and that's why everyone's taking a stab at you right now. It's good for show.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 06:56

#35

Jamie-Laannister

0 respect for you

U were the one throwing insults at me and you expect me to respect you? You said im a kid and u have the guts to attack me on public forums, you should be ashamed of yourself old man. If i really am a kid you should not talk to me that way you maid ruin my childhood. If you are here to discuss if im a kid or not then leave(and get a real job). My goal is to change SK into a better game. It's so weird you are all telling me what to go do and what i suffer from this is hilarious. Post your own opinion like others did if you aren't capable of that i understand, you are old and grumpy.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 06:53

#36

Dats-Mah-Boi

200 crowns isn't that much. I

200 crowns isn't that much. I think the LD fee should be 1k honestly, or even 5k. That way, losing team gets back 4.8k crowns (still net 200 crown loss), winning team gets 5.5k or something, and leavers lose all 5k crowns for being scum that actually have lives to tend to.

I understand your frustration Samobscmed, but you're going about this the wrong way. Complaining like this won't make change (all talk and no action gets nothing done). I'd say the best way to help the game is to try to increase it's publicity, or start a business and donate hella $$$ (which I would do honestly, if I was making millions). Other then that, here's why development isn't as sexy as you'd like: small dev team, lots of code to work with (even very well organized code like Apple libraries take time to navigate), and not their full time job.

Basically, complaining accomplishes nothing, even though everyone does it. Actions do. And if you're broke and have no friends like me, then the most helpful thing you can do is try to support them. I know wbere you're coming from though, it's tough seeing so.ething with so much potential stagnate. But give it time (like a year), and then make judgment.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 07:04

#37

Jamie-Laannister

I've actually put around 250e

I've actually put around 250e in this game over years i don't regret it, kinda spend the most amount of money on SK than any other game. But srsly what can i do besides complaining and pointing out the obvious things that should not be part of the game because they do no good for the game itself and are reason why there is less and less players, wait till summer ends there will be only few left playing i guarantee you that.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 07:19

#38

Gustim

Please, no swear words and such...

This thread has become nothing but insults being thrown at each other. Please take a chill pill Samobscmed, and remember to be kind to fellow knights who have other opinions besides you. If you want to complain to the Game Masters, here's a link.
https://www.spiralknights.com/support/#requests_new
This thread should be closed and put in the graveyard :/

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 07:24

#39

Nebrium

...

Close this thread already...

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 07:26

#40

Dats-Mah-Boi

You may be right. Perhaps

You may be right. Perhaps they need to take down the game and re-release a different version with all of the kinks ironed out. I don't know....it'd be cool to see the game as it was before with 1k+ players on at any one time.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 07:38

#41

Jamie-Laannister

Gustim

I can't be kind to people that are not kind to me sorry it's just not going to happen. At the end of the day i agree, this thread is pointless, you people just don't care, few care but to few to make a change for the better. SK is just a game doesn't effect my life if i play it or not. It used to be a great game , making it worse isn't gonna help anyone.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 09:10

#42

Bonjourhippo

And we can't be kind to you

And we can't be kind to you knowing you've done nothing to understand the circumstances in which this game was left under SEGA's management and Grey Havens' stellar efforts to bring the game back in the spotlight (mind you preventing it from dying altogether). I guess that about wraps it up.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:04

#43

Jamie-Laannister

...

Why are you saying WE? So far you are the only pain in the neck for me, others either they agree or disagree with me did not try to insult me.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:17

#44

Jamie-Laannister

plus i forgot to mention sparks of life

another bad addition to the game too rare to drop and to expensive to buy, before ppl could revive each other that was more of a teamwork also picking up loot, NOW? you srsly need to walk all the way on the other side of map to pick up loot, which ur teammate could, and if you die and don't have sparks ur gonna remain dead no one is gonna spend their pricy sparks for you. Just another thing that would better be left alone the old way, can't u see instead of making game better it's becoming worse like i said if u don't gonna make it better leave it the fk alone.

As you can see it's not just that there is no new good content but even when there is something new it makes game worse than it is, i mean WHO DOES THAT?

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:24

#45

Ganzfeld-Effect

blep

I just want to point out that as far as revives go, it's less teamwork friendly since health sharing is gone, but at the same time costs less overall considering sparks also have a chance to drop from boxes. Energy would have increasing costs using the old system, but today even with energy each revive is a flat 50 if you don't have a spark. I like the new system for that reason.

The shared loot going away prevents alt dragging and getting x2 -x4 profit from a single run if someone was dedicated enough. It's a bit annoying sometimes to have to run around everywhere, sure, but at the same time it's not terrible either.

I think your concerns are valid from your point of view, really I do. I just think expressing them like they were is going about it the wrong way.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:41

#46

Jamie-Laannister

I think expressing them the

I think expressing them the way i do is perfect, otherwise it will have no effect, even now guess what's gonna change. Nothing, you guessed right. I bet if whole community wanted a change devs wouldn't mind. And it's because ppl like you nothing is gonna change you are just fine with everything that happened, you are like new stuff they could be better but eh i don't rly care. What is next SK kitchen for guildhalls update. MAKE NEW BOSS, ADD NEW TOKENS, REMAKE OLD BOSSES, ADD NEW WEAPONS, ADD NEW DEPTHS THAT PPL HAVEN'T PLAYED YET, REMOVE FORGE, RETURN OLD REV SYSTEM, FIX LD, and so on and so on and they give use chess for GH, are u kidding me man?!

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:05

#47

Ganzfeld-Effect

blep

Okay, but. Right there you're saying "do this" without telling them specifics of what you'd like to see. Saying "new boss, new tokens, remake old bosses, add new weapons, add new depths" says you're unhappy with the current versions, but gives them no direction on how to improve it.

Your responses come off as stomping your foot in frustration and throwing a fit, which I know isn't what you want to express. You want to see improvements. But simply saying "fix this" helps about as much as you seem to think actual suggestions do.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:27

#48

Jamie-Laannister

yes and this is waste of

yes and this is waste of time, SK is a joke game, can't wait to find it in app store selling for 7 cents. If devs can't come up with idea for new content then just shut down game man it has been years not weeks since the last good update that actually was fun. And stop milking players with this promos before u do so.

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:38

#49

Jamie-Laannister

cant wait to play on phone, but what will i do hmm

Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:47

#50

Swiftwalk

the amount of prepostery (not

the amount of prepostery (not sure if its a word but its derived from preposterous) in this thread is ridiculous.
Although I found it incredibly amusing, all good things must come to an end. Please close it already.

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