Spiral Knights - Haze Walking Questions and such

Haze Walking Questions and such

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Tue, 09/27/2016 - 12:26

Wqkipedia

So regarding walking through haze bombs in Lockdown. I think Mengh made a thread with a bunch of info but I can’t manage to find it.

You need +7 resistance to the status in order to walk through as striker.

But how much resistance do you need as a guardian?

Also some sets have enough resistance on the base set, you don’t need any UVs/Trinkets to walk through hazes (ex. Skolver Set)

Other sets have enough resistance you can walk through hazes as guard but need an additional +1 bonus in order to walk through as a striker (ex. Snarby Set)

What are some other commonly used sets that need that “top off” bonus in order to walk through haze bombs (like would a clean Merc Demo be able to walk through shock)?

What are “good” combinations of uv’s and sets that you see/use in lockdown?

Thanks,
Wqksayi

Tue, 09/27/2016 - 14:05

Dutch-Oven

Three status strengths: Minor

Three status strengths:
Minor = needs 7 resistance points for immunity.
Medium = needs 9 resistance points for immunity.
Strong = Cannot be immune to strong.

low = +1
medium=+2
High=+3
Max=+4

Guardian gives +2 to all resistances.

Snarby is the only 5* armour with high (+3) res.

Chaos and bk have -2 resistances. (bk has -4 curse tho)

Sacred Gunner armours have -3 resistances.

Tue, 09/27/2016 - 14:51

Wqkipedia

@Dutch

Thanks a lot!
So a Merc Demo set with Stun H +Stun Max would be able to walk across both shock and stun.

Tue, 09/27/2016 - 15:03

Dutch-Oven

yes

Fri, 09/30/2016 - 04:25

Leekcoco

You can walk through shock, stun and freeze with an Ice Queen Set that has +7 shock resistance. I had one years ago though I'll argue it wasn't that useful most of the time. Unless there were two or more bombers there's nothing a blaster can't manage, and you sacrifice a lot of damage for it.

Fri, 11/25/2016 - 04:16

Nacl-Magnet

interesting

You could also grab a shock high magic cloak and pair that with a stun high gunslinger hat, make them justifier and divine mantle respectively and you're able to very very affordably walk through voltaic tempest, stagger storm, and have resistance to ash of agni as an added bonus for terraforming vs other bombers. also have asi for your support gun, however the hat could also be swapped for freeze high bombtastic demo (spiral demo helm) really cheap if you'd rather the anti shiver compared to stagger which is probably more helpful for the bomb damage bonus.

you could run Voltaic Tempest + Ash of Agni + Dark Briar Barrage + Polaris/Arcana

Shiver + Gravity style bomb + CTR Glacius/Voltedge + DBB/Phantamos

and you'd be able to make up for the lacklustre damage perks by using a set which can switch between defensive and offensive with the proper ctr UVS. More of an intimidator rather than brute killer set though, but still advantageous if played correctly. afeterall people wouldn't invest in these sets if they were shit :p

Ideally running half ice queen and half divine set with 2 high uvs on each to compliment each other (ideally shock, freeze, fire stun) you could have a nice "Avatar" loadout (master of the elements haha). and run the same weapons i listed as long as they have at least ctr ultra overall when using them in pvp. personal preference. not like vh is unusable, but ideally he sooner you can terraform and switch roles, the better :p

I noticed this was posted a while back so i'm also curious as to what option(s) you chose?

Personally i don't really mind -status as a bomber as i guard bomb. if i was recon i would be more concerned. Personally i am an offensive bomber.
things like ctr vh voltedge + vortex, then shiver and DBB in the same loadout.
or Stagger + VT + DBB + BTB
BTB and DBB pair nice with vt and stagger catching enemies trying to flee or who happened to stumble in "wrong place wrong time"

other sets i like are nitronome + voltedge + venom veiler + VT/Shiver i have 2 loadouts. Sometimes i go Chaos + Mercurial Demo. If the opponent has a bomber i can shockwalk with my kat so i generally dont focus on being resistant in my bomber sets. more is focused on my striker sets so i'm not limited to where i can travel.

I generally use chaos + kat as i have ele + shock + normal max on the set.
which allowed me to play the hyper offensive role with any set i chose, and being tanky enough as a guardian to make players think before proceeding.
Most people in chaos straight get ate by shiver and voltedge if you start the charge farther away to get the blast + electric shockburst. the kats try and rush you but they get weakened by venom veiler like anyone else. so it's really depending on your opponents. generally shivers effectiveness lasts half a game before people pull out the kat or skolver, but you can generally catch them slipping early game if you don't reveal you have shiver in the beginning. Venom is really only denied by those with full shadowsun or half shadowsun half snarby. really rare to see people running poison max + high on neutral posion gear. only one i've seen would be petater on his skolver set. most other people dont run it on their main sets, only status res sets.

Fri, 11/25/2016 - 13:13

Wqkipedia

Hmm

Made the Merc Demo but tbh there aren't that many people who use Stagger, Far more people use the VT and Shiv so my Skolver set does better there without sacrificing too much damage.

I use the Merc Demo for fun and for training, But the Skolver is much better for any serious play. The MSI of the Merc Demo is pretty fun to use but the same is achieved from Bk set while dealing great damage.

Sat, 11/26/2016 - 17:47

Dutch-Oven

A lot of people used to use

A lot of people used to use merc mail over dmg sets in competitive LD purely because shock is so OP.

In my opinion if you're going to be concerned about status then you should focus on pola/storm immunity, then shiver, then either stun or curse.

That basically means you need to use at least one piece of shock res gear, making bkc + merc mail the most optimal loadout for pure swords. For hybrid gunners it's sacred falcon shade. You get 1 less dmg bonus but the move speed compared to skolver gives you extra range which works out better overall. You can also still get shiver immunity. I also think most people would trade the 1 extra dmg from full BK set for full shock immunity if they could easily do so.

For a gunner setup/hybrid I believe my loadout is the most optimal.

-BKC with shock max, freeze med, normal med (would opt for stun over normal but normal is the best defense and not worth rolling over)
-Falcon Shade with freeze max, shock high, normal high.

That gives pola/storm and shiver immunity as striker. Using merc mail for a swordie loadout is cheaper because falcon has -3 freeze res where you need +7 shock and +6 freeze (instead of +3) uvs.

You can of course choose to play with whatever gear and not worry about status but if you wanted to spend a decent amount of CR on armour this is what I would recommend.

Sat, 11/26/2016 - 12:42

Nacl-Magnet

True (prepare 4 a wall of text cuz this thread has me intrigued)

I main striker swordsman/hybrid and guardian bomber.

As a striker i generally find shock and poison being the most annoying statuses, somewhat stun. Freeze is always gonna be freeze, having immunity to it is quite easy to obtain using kat or skolver so i generally dont opt for freeze uvs. However i do have Freeze + shock + pierce high on my justifier jacket to pair with my bkc stun + norm med + shadow max. Most bombers bring 2 status bombs 1 damage bong and a support sword/gun or just 1 support sword/gun and 2 status bombs. I find stagger more common than shiver for players who are serious. Using shiver in gvg wont really get you far if the opponents cares about changing their loadout. That's why i emphasize more on shock and stun. Stagger storm is more common that you give it credit for @wq and is much less resisted than shiver to the general public so please do keep that in mind.

I find that sacred falcon shade + bkc is definitely a nice combination for those who run shock uvs allowing them to stay offensive and versatile vs average bombers. I personally have shock + ele max on my Black kat Raiment and pair it with Sacred Falcon Sentinel helm shock high to be able to beata down bombers in their VT and spong bomb radius damage/elemental damage a tad better. Splitting defenses normally isn't optimal but depending on the use it could be. As i've found out, living another hit could come in handy in exchange for being totalled by a GF combo which does a lot to anyone without normal/shadow uvs regardless even snarby.

I personally prefer running a hyper offensive hybrid set going BKC Shadowsun w/ BTB ASI VH + GF ASI VH + Umbra ASI VH/CTR VH Then switching the last gun between hail driver ASI High or Riftlocker/Phantamos CTR VH. I like being able to keep constant pressure on my opponents from close and long range. My shadowsun has Normal med+ curse high as a secondary uv as i like getting up close and physical using btb + gf and can switch to guns. That allows me to get a 3 weapon curse and stay in the fight, plus have a slightly lower chance of getting cursed in the first place from the second swing.

If i'm going BKC + Falcon shade armor i normally find myself running btb + nog asi h + ctr ow for the asi vh + ctr vh combo. After that i have a lot of variants for the same set depeding on my opponent. i pair ctr vh gun+ hail for setting my opponents up like golf balls on tee's and just popping them with a charge. Storm/Polaris with obsidian carbine or gilded griffin is nice vs chaos and kats i find so i often see myself going btb + rifty + storm + obsidian with the falcon bkc combo.

This is really just me rambling about sets i use and why i do so, perhaps you might get ideas. most people just opt straight for ASI but don't be one of those people. Think about what you want your set to do and tailor it to that duty. That's why you have loadouts. If you want an anti hybrid set tailor the uvs in the set to that. if you want an anti sword guardian set tailor the set to that. drivers and antiguas, not blasters. etc etc.

I'm the kinda guy who runs freeze high + norm max on my Nameless poncho, may sound poointless if you can walk through shiver easily already but people like tiuly who rely on single switching hail driver or dealing GF damage are easily stumped by it. And then when it comes to a toothpick war it comes back in my ballpark.

So i'm glad to see you make use of the forums and talk about gear because i feel a lot of peopleare aimless when it comes to making lockdown sets. They all just want normal or shock max and asi vhs and think that's gonna give them optimal chance. but When the opponent has an arsenal of gear with the ability to pull off a variety of different offensive and defensive tactics they find themselves backed in a corner because they haven't accounted for that. I find it funny running normal max ancient plate vs acheron abusers because half of them replaced their toothpick with the brandish and now have to 5 hit me with a much harder weapon to land hits with imo. because i live 4 with the bkc. IF they knew how to use other weapons besides that they wouldnt be stuck in that position. But of course they figured running an asi vh acheron is all they need right lmao.

I'm just glad to see someone looking to explore other options it truly fills me with joy! Bring back the merc demo man i'm rooting for ya.

Sat, 11/26/2016 - 18:24

Wqkipedia

Haha thanks guys

So I guess Mini with the great wall of text is saying that you should really just make sets for the situations where you encounter often or simply for a niche purpose (Anti-Bomber, Guard etc.).

I guess at some point I should try to get sets that counter moderate statuses (Like Dutch was saying). So I might try to grab a Shock UVed Merc Helm (Med Probably) to pair with my Skolver Coat to get a Pola + storm driver resistant set.

But back to what Mini said, I think that diversity is kind of lacking in Lockdown. It is always great to see players trying new weapons and gear and the meta of LD is just an Acherons and Blasters.

Mon, 11/28/2016 - 19:24

#10

Nacl-Magnet

Definitely! SK Has a variety of different armors and helms available, and many odd status uv'd items at 2* people sell cheap because they find them useless. Take advantage of that :D

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