My pet peeve- people going to basil to find recipes because AH is "too expensive"
Tue, 01/10/2017 - 09:33
Ok so lets say you need a recipe that costs 4K at basil and 7K on the auctions, and you do manage to find the recipe. You now have the option to sell that recipe for 3K on the auctions meaning that in total, the cost of using the recipe is 7K meaning that you pay the same amount regardless of whether you actually pay the same amount. Do you see where this is going? All you've done is inconvenience yourself.
By finding recipes you-
A) Change where you would normally play. If you're the farming type, you just lost crowns, if not maybe it's a moot point or maybe you lost out on a better run, or some prestige, or whatever. I personally think it's probably a good thing that people fall for this, even though it's poor judgement to do so it's at least a change of scenery before they go back to FSC.
B) Troll yourself on Basil, who only ever offers gunner armor now and never whatever you're looking for. This means waiting a good week or three before finding the recipe in question, when you could have just bought the thing.
C) Deprive someone who enjoys/partakes in recipe runs of the ability for them to sell you a recipe. If I like FSC and you like recipe hunts then it benefits you greatly if I let you find my recipes while I pay you. This causes a wonderful equilibrium of everyone getting everything as they require.. basically, the big benefit from capitalism is that this works out the way it does.
I'm not actually bent out of shape about this but the logic comes up time and time again and I've never seen it come up before so I thought it would make a lovely thread and here it is.
Tue, 01/10/2017 - 12:24
#2
The idea is that the value of a small item doesn't change if it's being sold for less once by the game...
Look at it this way-
After I buy a recipe for any amount, I have the option to sell it for 7K or use it.
Amount given up to use the recipe: 7K (What I would have gained selling it)
Before I buy a recipe I have the option to buy it for 7K and use it.
Amount given up to use the recipe: 7K (What I would spend buying it)
Ergo it doesn't matter whether you buy it from Basil or the Auction House- it effectively costs you the same and the amount "saved" is not saved at all but effectively earned as part of the run.
You are right about the 10% fee, but you would have to value the recipe exactly between 6.3K and 7K for it to matter, so I'm not counting it. I do see the merit in recipe hunting as well, as I mentioned in the OP it's a good part of the game... it's just also economically pointless, or at the very least optional.
Tue, 01/10/2017 - 13:02
#3
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here's the deal: I want a polaris recipie. I want it as cheap as possible.
So I can buy it on the ah for 40k
or I can grind d23 basil and get it for 25k, plus some loot along the way.
I'd rather do basil.
Tue, 01/10/2017 - 13:28
#4
Lol you're still paying that extra 15K- just with effort and luck rather than with actual hard currency. Of course it doesn't matter, because you can exchange your luck and effort for 15K anyway.. which is what I'm trying to say. It feels weird to think about, doesn't it?
Tue, 01/10/2017 - 13:39
#5
The Spice of Life
I get what the OP is saying, but as a "farming type" kind of player I can tell you that the change of scenery is well worth the inefficiency to some. Same thing goes for advanced orbs - it's more time efficient to just grind FSC and buy the orbs, but if searching T2 arcade is more fun, then it's worth it. 'Tis a game, after all!
With that said, if a player needs a recipe and isn't geared for efficient crown farming (newer players) then searching could actually be the more time efficient option.
Tue, 01/10/2017 - 14:23
#6
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It's probably more efficient to buy the recipe from the ah and spend the time speedrunning Lagstorm Citidel, but only by a little bit, and it's more fun and rewarding to do basil runs. You don't get the satisfaction of finally finding that recipe.
Tue, 01/10/2017 - 16:03
#7
Just erecting a dispenser here...
"B) Troll yourself on Basil, who only ever offers gunner armor now and never whatever you're looking for. This means waiting a good week or three before finding the recipe in question, when you could have just bought the thing."
And then you need that one recipe that for some reason, nobody sells on the AH, and nobody ever does (bonus shenanigans if it's also one of the gunner armor recipes).
And then your whole argument falls apart for the simple reason that the AH is not an end-all be-all way of finding all you need.
GG WP.
Tue, 01/10/2017 - 22:06
#8
I mean gaining all them
I mean gaining all them crowns and drops along the way is pretty cool...
I don't follow.
When selling items through the auction house there is a listing fee and a 10% fee. If the item sells you get refunded the listing fee and pay the 10% fee, if the item doesn't sell you get it back minus the listing fee you originally paid. So if you list an item for 7k cr buyout, you would only receive 6.3k cr.
This is besides the point though. If you go through a run and find a recipe from basil, and pay 4k cr (not to mention during the run to find the recipe you could be heating gear, getting materials, and picking up crowns) and then sell it directly to someone for 7k cr, you made 3k cr profit.
I do understand you don't always find the recipe you want, but some people get lucky, in which case they could save money trying basil to get the recipe. Also usually if you are in a guild and someone is looking for a recipe others join in the hunt, and it can create some excitement. Older vanguard players are always looking for something to keep themselves occupied! You can always also snag recipes you aren't looking for that typically sell quickly and are in high demand to make a quick dime.