Spiral Knights - Spiral Knights MOBA

Spiral Knights MOBA

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Mon, 03/13/2017 - 03:14

Jazzberry-Jam

What if there was a PVP mode like a MOBA? Strictly 4 v 4 two lane map, for the sake of keeping things as small as possible and lag free.

The core that needs destroyed to win could be the shielded dome thingy (like the one from ghosts in the machines, or operation crimson hammer)

I would say the model of the lane obstacles should be more like the ones in heroes of the storm, like mini bases with towers, a main building, a gate, walls, and not like in League of Legends with a single high damage tower. I feel it would fit better with this game. Of course, it wouldn't have to be EXACTLY 1 main building, two towers, a gate and walls.

Jungle camps could drop damage/speed/defense buffs, temporary vitapod, but not with crazy numbers like 12, maybe around 6-8. By temporary, i mean you would lose them on death.

You could get 1 health pill every time you revive, and that's all you get. 1 of the lane monsters could always be made to drop a heart that heals 3 lines.

I don't know if this game mode should have alternate kits, like the ones in lockdown, so i'm gonna go ahead and say NO! All regular knights with regular gears.

I don't want to hear: naah, this will never be, will never work, doesn't fit. Spare me the negativity =3= It's fun to imagine.

I would like to hear your opinions on a MOBA mode in spiral knights, how it should work, if you have any ideas to make it better, etc.

Tue, 03/14/2017 - 02:33

Fangel

huh

I feel this would be more at home in the suggestions subforum, even though you just want to get discussion on it all. Overall, it's an interesting idea, but it'd need to be heavily adapted to fit Spiral Knight's workings.

One design choice I applaud heavily in Spiral Knights is for everything that is introduced into the game to have an interesting twist to it. I believe in the early design days, it was one of Nick's choices to say "no orcs, no elves[, etc.]". That's why so many parts of the game are so organic and interesting - they're all entirely their own thing. Most games are just the same world slightly altered, yet Spiral Knights is entirely organic - you'll never run into wolvers or retrodes in other games

If a MOBA gamemode is implemented, I can imagine a new take being put into it. Something more like having a mecha knight AI that follows you, and only your mecha knight can hurt the enemy's "base". However, you can hurt the other team's mecha knights and their hosts. The gamemode may function in a different way, such as you can upgrade your mecha knight with different damage types (starts with normal), status effects, monster families (resists/weaknesses), speed, attacks, and abilities. Heck, unique resistances (such as reversing effectiveness of damage bonuses but losing overall defense, or having resist/weaknesses on certain weapon types - ie, guns are neutral, swords are weak, bombs are strong) would allow for interesting playstyles and metagaming.

Basically, I guess what I'm saying is that a MOBA in an SK setting would be neat and fun to play, but without anything new to the formula it just... Isn't all that fun. There's plenty of MOBA games out there, how would you make SK's a unique and fun experience, much like the rest of the game?

Tue, 03/14/2017 - 11:10

Tobutori

*pushes sleeves up*

Imo MOBA doesn't fit good with SK. What you're saying is like imagining if TES V: Skyrim or Fallout had a MOBA gamemode, can you imagine it happening?? another thing is the nature of the game. Spiral Knights is an RPG, which is completly different compared to MOBA, it would be needed a complete transmutation of the original game, and that's alot of work...

Secondly, let's assume adding a MOBA gamemode to SK is quite easy and the dev team actually made it and released it. I wouldn't play that new gamemode because it's a MOBA, if i wanted to play a MOBA i would play DotA or LoL or any other MOBA-like game. Plus, it wouldn't attract more people to play SK because others would be like "I play MOBA's and I like MOBA's, but this game isn't a MOBA of nature, so it's not as complex/same thing as "X MOBA game"".

Wed, 03/15/2017 - 01:48

Jazzberry-Jam

Okay?

It would be am alternative PVP game mode. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not there to attract players. It's not there to BE a MOBA, to compete with them, or anything like that. It's there to be a new game mode for us to play and have fun with. Why MOBA? Because i thought it would fit. And because i've heard SK is balanced around PVE, not PVP. Therefore, PVP modes will never be 100% balanced. Since MOBA has a lot of PVE elements, figured that would help quite a bit.

You don't play blast network too because if you wanted to play bomberman, you would have gone with the other bomberman like games?

Spiral knights is a top down hack and slash dungeon crawler.That right there is not different compared to a MOBA. That alredy fits for a MOBA. It has numerous monsters, structures, turrets, buffs. All of which can be used successfully for a MOBA.

I agree with Fangel. If something like this is to ever be added to SK, i would like it to be as unique as possible. That said, already having a SK MOBA map would be a fun and unique experience.

As for how it can be made a unique game mode? That i do not know. That is why i made this a thread. Because i would really like to hear ideas about this and hopefully come up with one myself while at it.

Wed, 03/15/2017 - 07:43

Dats-Mah-Boi

Naah, this will never be,

Naah, this will never be, will never work, doesn't fit...why?

1) Will never be, because the devs are clearly working on other things. Judging by the last AT-free LD events, they are working on something far more unique than a generic MOBA idea.

2) Will never work, because it would take too many resources that the game couldn't handle without a massive overhaul.

3) Doesn't fit, because MOBA would need much more customization options than what we already have.

I think LD is fairly good for PvP, and if they made improvements that would be better than other PvP.

LD with more maps, no AT, better server connection, more weapons, more map interactible components, unique properties (perodically shifting control/moving control points or something), duel mode with in game spectators, in game tournaments, more rewards, environment hazards, powerups, power downs, etc. Would be epic...but you guys already know that

Wed, 03/15/2017 - 15:25

Poothis

LoL

I'm more of a person who imagines what kind of kit and play style a Spiral Knight champ would be like if one were made in League of Legends. You know, rather than actually making a completely new MOBA in the style of SK.

Thu, 03/16/2017 - 01:51

Jazzberry-Jam

Hall of heroes

I was chatting with someone on discord about this, and they suggested the "heroes" we would play in the sk MOBA would be the knights from the hall of heroes. Which i thought was cool.

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