Spiral Knights - How come people flock to the Hardcore Event?

How come people flock to the Hardcore Event?

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Tue, 03/21/2017 - 16:18

Manlet

I've realized that people rejoice when this event hits every weekend, but I'm wondering why people are so happy when the end result is still the same. The strongest players still dominate and the weak ones still get destroyed. There is basically no change in the outcome or even the individual battles that take place. There aren't any dark horse players who appear and wreak havoc or anything either. Those who did 20+ before still do it now and none of the sub-20s are reaching 20+ either. Nothing has changed. It's just an event with obstacles, basically.

So, why are people so excited for it? Is it really just for the obstacles or am I missing something here?

Tue, 03/21/2017 - 19:23

Yayaah

handicap for the at acheron users

for the most part you're right but atleast they are forced to use ff which gives the players who aren't too good or too bad a chance to beat them. They get the same damage cause they farmed before the event and they're farming now. I've seen people who avoid the players that would give them a challenge and go after the noobs.

Wed, 03/22/2017 - 16:39

Dats-Mah-Boi

Not sure if you are aware,

Not sure if you are aware, but many players complained heavily in favor of removing AT over the years. An event comes up removing AT and people suddenly flock. Try to see if you can make the connection now.

If you are indeed able to make the connection, you'll see that the above post is also not even close to being correct.

Thu, 03/23/2017 - 18:58

Retired-Zy-Chasern

simple really, at is gone and

simple really, at is gone and pve is in lockdown
players with not so great ping are not getting lolatrekt
players with great ping arent affected by this, unless u cant aim then i guess u r....
players can recon without getting chased by at
players that play just for fun find these obstacles fun
list can go on idk.

its not about the dmg or the end result, i mean idk what you define as the strongest, but in a random lobby the player with the best ping is the strongest or will get the best dmg so that will never change in a scenerio good players vs good players. this game only has maybe max 40 players playing lockdown and they are always the same ppl.u wont see a random shine out of nowhere beacuse of this event. u will only see a good player that is use to not using AT outperform a good player that is use to using AT or a high ping outplay a lower ping.

do u not like that ppl r happy for the event even tho the endresult is the same? do u want them to feel miserable? or maybe they are kids and dont understand what they are suppose to be happy about?

i think this guy is mayor troll. legit.

my english is so strong.

Mon, 03/27/2017 - 16:10

Manlet

@Lethal: You're failing to see the point, smart ass. Performance hasn't improved even with AT off. Everyone who was good before are still good now. Everyone who sucked still sucks. None of these bad players are doing anything and all the average players who think they stood a chance are still getting creamed by the established power houses. The only thing that has really changed is that there are obstacles now, which admittedly are pretty great. When you have an actual reply, come see me again.

@Chasern: All you do is talk about ping. Yeah, it's a factor if your ping is dog shit tier, but if it's <100, you can still play decently against 95% of the player-base (i.e. me before I got a better PC/internet). Back on topic, some of those reasons are good, but most aren't. As stated in my post with Lethal, everyone who got mauled before are still doing their job of dying to everything, everyone who was average are still doing average, and everyone who was a threat are still being threats. Let's pretend this isn't about the end result for a moment and go through the whole process of a Lockdown match with different classifications of players:

Bad player playing LD: "Yay. No AT! I can finally play this game fairly!" Game starts. They die against anyone half decent in a heartbeat. Probably combos like crazy and misses every swing/shot. Spend maybe 90% of the game on a waiting screen just to do it again. Let this repeat for 6-8 minutes. Okay, the game is over now. They got about 10+ deaths and 1000-5000 damage, the same that they usually get. Conclusion: Same result if AT was still on.

Average player playing LD: "I can finally beat these AT noobs now. They only beat be before because AT is broken!" Game starts. They're probably killing most things in their wake except for actual good players; same story as before. These players probably couldn't hit anything before the event if they're in this category, so AT being off for everyone else will literally do nothing for these players. Game goes on as per usual and these guys get like 7000-12000 damage or something. Conclusion: Same result if AT was still on. If they were hitting these marks before, that means they are bad survivors/killers to begin with. Nothing will change if you can't even live/kill.

Good players playing LD: "No AT! Finally, this game is taken seriously! I can show off my true talents against these AT wielding noobs." Game starts. These dudes are killing everything. The only players who can hold a candle to them are other players of their caliber. Maybe, MAYBE, some match-ups might change their win-loss ratio, but from my observations over every single event thus far, the same people still kill the same people regardless of AT or not. Not to mention, most of these players who value their skill over life itself already don't use AT, so this event does nothing for them anyways. As said previously, if they couldn't dodge hits before, this event won't help them magically do it now. It might make people miss slightly more, but not enough to tip the scales by a noticeable margin. Conclusion: Similar result if AT was still on, but potentially not the same depending on certain match-ups. Results only vary among players of this tier. Everyone below still gets stomped fast.

So that's more than just the end result, that's an entire match. I promise that performance has not changed too dramatically with this event, my friend.

As for the strongest, I base it off who can kill and live the best/longest. If you're killing lots of things, you're probably living for a fairly long time. If you're killing lots of things and living for a really long time, everyone else is probably dying very fast, thus, your caps stay capped and you win more games. If you put two and two together, this means that your damage is likely to also be pretty darn high. Seems simple enough to me tbh. Don't pretend that the players who hit huge numbers are carried by their ping. There are players out there with good ping and still get crushed. Discrediting people's ability because your own conditions are less than favorable is petty af.

Mon, 03/27/2017 - 16:15

Manlet

Oh, and to address your question at the end, I do want people to be happy. Thing is, this event doesn't help the non-elite players from feeling those feels, except for the obstacles. From what I'm understanding out of you, people are literally only here for the obstacles seeing as gameplay hasn't changed at all. They are pretty great obstacles though, so I can see why folks wanna pop their head in for it. +1 obstacles on 24/7. :D

Wed, 03/29/2017 - 17:18

Wqkipedia

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I really hate to see how unfriendly lockdown is to new players, and I do agree with Manlet on the fact that it won't really change anything in terms of competitive balance. I think that this "Hardcore Mode" was an attempt to please the vocal crowd (Look at most of the LD forum posts and see how many mention AT in a negative way) who opposed AT and try to bring back a few of the older players who quit before. But most new players will still get destroyed by the experienced people. If lockdown had a rank system that made matches with pools of similar skill this could be helped, but currently I don't think that would be feasible as there are barely enough people to start matches anyways.

Agreeing with Manlet, I pretty much have the same results as I would without AT and everyone else seems to be consistent. If I can't kill you with the AT allowed, I probably won't be able to kill you with AT removed. The one thing I think was different with the No-AT event was the amount of brandishes. The more advanced players were still able to use them effectively, but the more average players really couldn't hit anything with them. Brandishes were frustrating as they had almost the same player interaction as a sealed sword (3 hits to kill a striker with average armor) and also had a combo that isn't as punishing as a sealed swords is.

I also find that it eliminated something people can complain about, reducing the complaints to just, Pola, Lag, shock, bombs, UV's, guns, ping, combos and what not. Auto target was just easy to scapegoat as it is available to everyone.

As for strong players I think that it really just is who makes the teams win whether it be murdering everything that comes out of the enemy base, distracting the enemies and allowing your team to cap, capping, area denial (pola or bombs). An example of strong that I saw recently was this knight in Almirian armor, without any weapons who in a very close game, was able to stand on a point and delay the enemy from capping so that their team was able to win, not all heroes need to get damage or kill people.

Wed, 03/29/2017 - 18:07

Retired-Zy-Chasern

u missed my point/made my

u missed my point/made my post x999 longer

u asked *How come people flock to the Hardcore Event?*
my first part is basically, everyone has their own reasons for the event their is no specific reason besides seeing a few changes in lockdown.
i personally dont really it, the obstacles should support the team that has the base, giving everyone another reason to stay on cap, it could help a noob player + support vs a good common striker player, but even then this could work against the noobs so meh

then i talk about dmg/result.
u pretty much expanded what i said for idk what reason.
i said noobs wont rise on top.
the changes i said u will see *u will only see a good player that is use to not using AT outperform a good player that is use to using AT or a high ping outplay a lower ping.* in otherwords who ever adapts faster will be the better player for the event.

u should probably change ur title to * y r bad players still bad and good still good during event if AT is removed?* u seem to be really focused on AT being removed/affecting players and will probably get repliess as to why this is still the same???? i mean lockdown is pretty damn alive atm.

Thu, 03/30/2017 - 11:37

Theirillusion

I have an easy answer for OP.

Even if what you say might be true... Even if everyone in general is playing just as good/bad as they do outside of the event... Even if the scoreboards look seemingly alike any other day...

Knowing that the only reason you died was due to your own lack of skill or the killers skill drives you towards becoming better and wanting to play more. (Let's just disregard random status inflicting because they can be avoided with dodging and gear.) There's also the aspect of wanting to play versus other players with the mutual interest of having a clean game.

Fri, 03/31/2017 - 13:59

Manlet

Makes sense. Thanks, dudes.

Thanks for all the replies, fam! The Hardcore Event has once again reared it's head, so have fun! ;D

Fri, 03/31/2017 - 16:37

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Skiino

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