Spiral Knights - Not the Usual Energy Topic

Not the Usual Energy Topic

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Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:22

Kawaiido

Okay, I've seen plenty of these around. Lost of people griping, bitching and moaning about the Energy, how "grindy" it makes the game, how its a "money pit" and makes the game less accessible to those who can't finance it. Sure, it sucks to have to spend Crystal Energy to make gear (what sucks is that you need to pay Energy AND Crowns, but that's just me), operate the elevator, revive, open treasure room, etc...

This game is another kind of animal. Now, I've made some terrible money choices with MMO's but least here you GET SOMETHING FOR ALL THE CRAP! Want to know some REAL money traps? Why don't you play:
- Yu-Gi-Oh Online
- Alteil
- Urban Rivals

I've played all of those. While some seemed like I could get behind them at first (Alteil, YGO Online) they were really money vacuum traps which made me want to sell my accounts on them if legally able. Urban Rivals is also one of those, though offset by the fact I could sell the cards, but that's another place, another time.

Yes, it does seem very ludicrous that you not only have to buy the recipe, find the materials, level up another gear to prep it for the crafting process (God help you if you detest said gear) and then having to pay out both Crowns and Energy to get your hands on something, but the game does need a way to keep you invested in it. I'm not saying its the best system in the world, but I can see why its in place and why it works, and I've barely been here a week!

If I could afford it, I'd gladly drop in $50 in the game in one go. It would be the first time I made a large purchase in a game that I wouldn't feel bit me in the ass! Energy is versatile...it could get you ANYTHING! Yes, the prices can be insane, but in this case (and to quote Gorden Gecko) "greed is good!" It moves the game, it reinforces ambition, makes things possible and can be controlled by the market (if people can't move stuff, but want to make a profit there greed will get them to eventually move the price down, or someone else greed could get them to undercut someone to give you the stuff at a better price).

Also, we need something to keep us from breaking the game in half.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:25

Sunless

Time to book a ticket to the

Time to book a ticket to the moon.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:59

Theonebackthere

@Replicant...

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Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:17

Richy

At least it isn't another

At least it isn't another Zomg lyke energeh ish so bad mn cnt u hlp us thread?

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:25

OnmyojiOmn

Legacy Username

You're right, this isn't the

You're right, this isn't the usual energy topic. It's the usual first reply to the usual energy topic.

NOBODY has ANYTHING new to say about energy. DO NOT POST ABOUT ENERGY.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:34

Shoebox

This isn't the usual energy

This isn't the usual energy topic at all.
It contains false advertising.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:36

Guildenberg

You know, you'd think with

You know, you'd think with the recent downturn in the energy prices, these kinds of topics would stop being posted (At least while CE prices remain low). Frankly, it gets kind of annoying to see topics concerning CE prices. While I do like the arguments against the usual "OMG ENERGY IS EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THREE RINGS ARE MONEY GRUBBING JERKS WHO DON'T LIKE F2Pers!" whining, the debate gets repetitive quickly.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 03:19

Thoranhippo

I know the most money

I know the most money consuming lousy MMO ever: Pirate King Online. Its a Singapourean game (no meaning to insult SG inhabitants of course): that game is still on, and god what a crap it is. GM are making underground illegal equipments sales and the stupid players left spent thousands of $ for that (yeah you've read well); there's an Item Mall in which players spend real currency on it, some items also go up to 350$ in there, its just so stupid. Ah and that game is free to play of course lol! Spiral Knights is really far far to be expensive, like Kawaiido's saying!

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:25

rocker742

Legacy Username

The people who complain about

The people who complain about energy in crafting are probably the same people who stand in front of the Auction House going "PLZ GIV 200 CROWN"

I personally thing that the Energy-Crown relationship is a brilliant system, and that complainers and beggars can suck a spiral.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 07:50

Fazan

Legacy Username

Personally, if I have to pay

Personally, if I have to pay for a game beyond its initial purchase price (which Spiral Knights doesn't have, but roll me), I'd prefer to pay a flat fee per month as with most MMOs out there. Whenever I play a game with a "pay as much as you want, but if you pay more you play more" model, it always feels like the game is designed to constantly push you to pay, until you're paying way too much. I like a flat fee, because I know that once I've paid that fee, don't have to invest ANYTHING more, and indeed CAN'T invest anything more. That's the kind of peace of mind you don't get with an "Insert Coin to Continue" system.

That said, what Spiral Knights has going is significantly better than just about any other F2P game I've ever tried, and I've tried quite a few. I tried 9Dragons, and that game was a massive grind designed to bore you into tears and make you buy experience, money, buffs, items, privileges and so forth. Thank you for insulting my intelligence, Acclaim. I've played Dragonica, and while cute and chibi, it was a Korean grindfest MMO that asked you to pay money to advance at a reasonable rate. I recently tried Global Agenda and beat feet as soon as I realised I couldn't claim gift attachments unless I was an "Elite Agent." Yeah, thanks but no thanks. Here, all you buy is energy, and you can buy it from the in-game market, as well. Can't really ask for a more benign system short of a completely free game, and that won't happen.

All told, I'd rather pay a monthly fee (possibly as an additional purchase option), but short of that, what we have ain't half bad.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 08:44

#10

Bangslash

You've missed the true costs

You've missed the true costs of the energy system: No game mods. No custom maps. No servers not run by OOO (sorry, Australia, Asia and Europe--you're always getting an ocean's worth of added ping time unless OOO gets another server location).

Oh, and as a reminder of how game mods can drive game sales:

#1 game on Steam: Counter-Strike (based off a game mod).
#2 game on Steam: Counter-Strike: Source (a rewrite of #1).

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 13:00

#11

Ozymandius

Legacy Username

Uh.

... Because Spiral Knights can really be compared to Counterstrike.

I'd love to hear about the custom maps in WoW, or the game mods people have come up for Rift. Please, tell me all about those.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 13:42

#12

Addy

Spiral Knights is just like

Spiral Knights is just like TF2, right? Custom maps are a thing parties can pick and choose to play on?

That's just silly. I cannot think of any MMO with custom maps. Not even PSO had that capability.

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