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Crafting the Sleep Variant or being able to ban things in lockdown.

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Thu, 04/19/2018 - 20:50
Killer-Of-World

Hello!
As a Lockdown player, I've seen quite a few people using the new sleep bomb which really doesn't have much of a counter right now besides wearing a FULL set of sleep resistant stuff. Being so limited, i figured, when the heck will sleep be a thing again, so I thought, why not make sleep an option to even roll/craft? For example, if I'm a hardcore pve player, I could turn the option to even get sleep off, while, an LD player probably would want it on.

OPTION 1: This way it saves the annoyed players who spent countless hours playing lockdown to keep playing and having fun. I can tell you now that MANY players ragequit after just seeing the people who have it because really there is no viable counter, especially for gunners as i would LIKE to do.

OPTION 2: completely ban certain weapons or be able to let the players choose which weapons to ban, though letting players ban weapons can ruin the fun as well due to obvious reasons, and it would be hard to do.

Sat, 04/21/2018 - 12:30
#1
Sir-Pandabear's picture
Sir-Pandabear

Use a gun.

Tue, 04/24/2018 - 18:19
#2
Killer-Of-World
....

Bombs are glitched in lockdown. If you were not there the time they placed the bomb, say walking in as striker, the entire bomb and its radius is invisible. You basically grant them a free kill because of something you physically could not see. Also why spend 5 minutes gunning the bomber down when u could take them down in 10 seconds.

There is no one in lockdown who likes to see a bomber besides your team. This tilts everyone else and some RAGEQUIT because of it. I don't think being so limited to something so stupid with basically no counter is very fair.

Wed, 04/25/2018 - 01:52
#3
Zero-Chill's picture
Zero-Chill
meow

This only applies to haze bombs basically all the other bombs aren't that annoying. And if you find them to be them to be then you're bad in lockdown.

Wed, 04/25/2018 - 02:55
#4
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Fehzors-Forum-Alt

Turn off the setting "Cull Transients" and it should fix the "bug".

Cull Transients = remove effects that are off screen. This is good because it reduces the number of effects your graphics card has to process, but bad because well, it creates the haze bomb issue.

Wed, 04/25/2018 - 14:48
#5
Sir-Pandabear's picture
Sir-Pandabear
@Killer-Of-World

say walking in as striker

If you rush into enemy territory as a lone striker then yes, you might end up trapped and killed. Fortunately, Lockdown is a team game and if you do teamwork with your team if is unlikely that a lone hazebomber could kill you or even stall you.

Also why spend 5 minutes gunning the bomber down when u could take them down in 10 seconds.

And why should the bomber die in 10 seconds when they can hold a capture point for 5 minutes? If you and your team can't get through a bomber in less then 5 minutes then I don't know what to tell you. As a regular hazebomber I can tell you that a single gunslinger who knows what they're doing will get me in 10 seconds or less, and two people working together will get me instantly if I don't have support.

with basically no counter
- Guns, any guns
- Bombs
- Teamwork
- Helping your team with another capture point since if you're alone against the hazebomber the rest of your team is struggling elsewhere
- Being a guardian
- Being a recon
- Fire pots
- Armours
- UVs

So yes, apart from the vast majority of the game's arsenal, playing a teamgame as a team, or being skilled there is basically no counter. It's not like haze bombs are the most counterable weapon there is since there are many ways to be 100% immune to multiple of them.

Fri, 04/27/2018 - 05:08
#6
Killer-Of-World
Really now.

I dont believe you've ever seen this person called "pnusy" before. She would have 4 gunners gunning her down and still able to bomb, why? It's not hard to dodge guns. Unless you are using a blitz needle, and MAYBE a antigua line gun would you be able to efficiently take them down.

Also, I give pro players a decently hard time to kill, if not i kill them, therefore there is no way I can be that bad at lockdown.

Fri, 04/27/2018 - 07:21
#7
Zero-Chill's picture
Zero-Chill
meow

Pfft... It's all 'bout that sweet sweet double-digit ping bruh. If you have it, it doesn't matter how bad you are, you're always gonna have an easy time. I've seen people who got no idea what they were doing, just standing and spamming combos at random directions and still get 10-20k damage. On the gunners' screens they usually hit her, but on her screen the shot actually lands 4 tiles away and she doesn't get hit. I used to be a PvP bomber, with 2 bars I was only able to deal with 1 or 2 gunners at a time, gave them a hard time, but in reality all I do is moving in random directions cause I got no idea where they're gonna hit or according to my ping where they already had hit. As you said though, blitz needle completely destroys bombers, try using it, bombers usually don't have piercing defense, grim repeater works too, fire and shock weapons are a good counter as well since they interrupt their bombing-chains, you can place a single "light" bomb like nitronome, DBB, DR, shards, etc... But the haze bombs got more charge time to be able to do that. Fire works best against bombers if used by a haze bomb, pro bombers learn the timing of fire so that they can continue bomb-spamming at the normal pace. However, one of my favorite ways to deal with a bomber is to use DR since bombers are usually charging their bomb, they take a ton of damage upon stepping in one of those. Shard bombs work as well.

Sat, 04/28/2018 - 14:25
#8
Fangel's picture
Fangel
so

I assume your problem isn't with the bomb, but rather that you cannot defeat a certain person who uses this.

Yes, as a 90-120 ping player, I would be with you with banning items in lockdown, such as:
A) any item with a unique variant that I don't like
B) acheron, gran faust, or heck, let's just remove all the weapons so I can't die
C) all items with a damage boost on them

All because epic-legend-knight kills me with 10 ping and an ASI VH acheron and black kat/skolver. Clearly that can't be countered.

oh wait sleep bombs stop max damage acheron strikers from being able to reach you

Sleep bombs have massively changed the meta in lockdown. This is a huge step in the right direction, and quite frankly, the fact that some players don't realize that attacking sleeping teammates wakes them up, and when you awaken from sleep you are immune to it for several seconds, well... It turns it into the most team-based status in the pvp realm. A welcome addition, I'd like to see more weapons with sleep on it for this reason alone. I'd also like to see a curse mist bomb is curse as a status is reworked a bit, as that would sift the meta even more, and a sleep/curse mist bomber could easily turn the tide of battle.

Sun, 05/06/2018 - 07:25
#9
Killer-Of-World
Well,

If i knew there was sleep stuff in this game i woulda got that armor/helm instead of snarb. Now i gotta heat- ANOTHER item and craft stuff just to do what i want. I'm probably going to get this said armor and get shock max on both anyway, OOOOR, they could put back the uv that they took out before sleep was even a thing basically and i'd be a happy camper.

Really it's not like EVERYONE will have this uv. Also makes it so not one bomb could counter all.

Sun, 05/06/2018 - 09:17
#10
Zero-Chill's picture
Zero-Chill
meow

I agree with bringing back the ability to roll sleep unique variants or getting them upon crafting. This wouldn't only be good for both PvE and PvP but will also encourage people who look to further optimise their gear to invest more time and money into the game (+ this would cause less rage in LD by nerfing kinda the most OP CC weapon).

Sun, 05/06/2018 - 13:59
#11
Fangel's picture
Fangel
i mean sure why not

I'd love to see sleep UVs brought back as well, granted at the same time I do enjoy the fact that the sleep bombs act as a hard counter for strikers who attempt to rush everything instead of being careful.

But there really isn't any reason why sleep UVs shouldn't be available now that sleep as a status is back. It's just great as it is because that means that as a mist bomber, no one can ever fully be resistant to every status anymore. Some folks used to have haze walker sets that would walk shock, freeze, stun, fire, and poison. With a sleep mist bomb it gives the bomber the power to choose their resistances, and it also makes damage resistance UVs less attractive, therefore making UV rollers less likely to have crazier defenses on top of status resistances.

I wouldn't really put this up as my "top 10 things that need to happen right now" though, since sleep in lockdown comes from a single source. The moment we get more sleep weapons I'd say would be the best opportunity to bring back the sleep UV.

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