Spiral Knights - Firestorm Citadel needs fiery lost souls on each level

Firestorm Citadel needs fiery lost souls on each level

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Wed, 04/25/2018 - 15:38

Fehzors-Forum-Alt

To the tune of "Ridin Dirty"

I see them farming. I'm hating.
Patrolin' they try to farm some rare-it-ies,
try to farm some rare-it-ies
try to farm some rare-it-ies
try to farm some rare-it-ies
try to farm some rare-it-ies

My skills are so high I'm cryin'
They hopin' they gon catch some easy-f-s-c
tryin catch some easy-f-s-c
tryin catch some easy-f-s-c
tryin catch some easy-f-s-c
tryin catch some easy-f-s-c
tryin catch some easy-f-s-c

Vanguards think they can farm fsc with me
I'm silver so it's easy to be seen
When they ask about it I say DAN to be clean
Add my aura and my monitor a tv screen

Ride with a new player she like
hold up
Outta sparks in the final arena
I've got five eighty nine just to be mean
I don't die cuz I'm too obscene-uh

Girl you aint know I'm crazy like
Ninga Maen
Just tryin to get rarities ain't tryin to
Carry no babies
Honestly I might as well have rabies
Laws of grinding you know they hate me

F-S-C turned all the way down ask your mum
Gettin crowns like they all high up, tryin to ask for some
But we packin that dan and um
We aint gettin crowns in spite of our maximum

Payout balance, it's strictly broke (broke)
Crowns runnin out and I'm buyin slow (slow)
No FSC cuz it's easy for the dough (dough)
Danger missions don't give me a tote (tote)

Server down gotta stop
no solution
Games gotta change like what is
this producin?
This the free crown zombies we out
and cruisin'
Got warrants on the forums
but I ain't losin

A harder grind a nicer prize for difficulty that does shine
We gotta get on it 'fore the level gets beat this old excursion gettin older
all up in the Nick of time
We've been sucking on that F-S-Say and the duke is out again we
In the wind
Of something we shouldn't be grinding the clock
And rolling those UVs we living like we dying good luck
I got a blitz in my right hand nothing to show but another blitz player

But it wasn't like this free crowns and all
At first it was better, harder faster stronger my dog
We gotta get back to those ways
The players are stronger battle sprites, knowledge and kits, it's power
Creep creep
They hope the devs don't see them on a slight whim
With the power to turn on the souls players dodge them cuz why not

But I won't get caught up farming and farming this easy free for all
Keep my blitz in my pocket but to be blunt I don't want it the bubbles is all
ADD THEM
Ready or not the players will freak out, Ze-Epic and Goldentaile

So what you thinkin gon stand and blitz
Charge up and get rekt the name of the game
I just be upset that it aint already true and the players are farming
But I want to too
I just need that difficulty that challenge returned check my arsenal back
And I'm smilin

Thinkin that this difficulty would come free
Is like climate denialin'
You're just gonna lose we need to increase the crowns up
And make history with lost soul delight
Find boxes gotta get my cash
Cause we raised the difficulty to match it and pass
Tier 3 boss should be hard we need to talk bout giving into them bout not feeling
That attitude
Like the game should be easy cuz frankly I don't think
It so
If I got my way I would laugh at the underdogs
Farm FSC in two
They can't farm without skill now they're blue
This is a message to Yamiyugimon tellin him I LOVE YOU
I can't be a toss or tell em that they shoulda known
Tilted and trippin' crooked in their dome
Shoulda prepared better to handle those souls
Like they can't stop me cuz I'm at my home writin raps like it's on

Thu, 04/26/2018 - 06:26

Flash-Flire

just saying

you spelled my name wrong

Thu, 04/26/2018 - 11:03

Zero-Chill

meow

If this is because you wanna see less noobs running FSC, then no, FSC is balanced as it is for now. Being a place everyone uses for farming doesn't mean it should be extra hard, also take into your account that it's available starting from the champion rank. If you're having trouble with noobs on your team just kick them or ask the leader to kick them or just go solo. But, there's always a fun way to deal with them, ask them to go into a room on D25 and they'll just keep dying over and over or what I like more is to PM all other party members and tell them to keep pushing monsters to that annoying guy and once he uses a good bunch of sparks we usually kick him. Sure it's evil, but they gotta learn that being a jerk and not helping at all makes them hated. I don't mind carrying a noob as long as he at least tries to do anything even if he can't, that means he got potential to be a good player.

If this is to balance the payout of the level, then also no, FSC is balanced as it is now. Being a place everyone uses for farming doesn't mean it should be extra hard, people *invest* in crafting specific UV'd gear just to farm this place (like the blitz needle that I rarely ever see anyone using outside of a FSC run, I know someone who got ASI high + CTR med blitz needle which he only uses on FSC runs or it's that I haven't seen him using it outside of it and battlepod bosses and HoI), so I think that's fair enough.

Thu, 04/26/2018 - 11:29

Fehzors-Forum-Alt

This is the ideal suggestion. You may not like it, but this is what truly needs to happen.

"FSC is balanced as it is for now."

That's where you're wrong kiddo.

FSC grants about 9Kish for a full run, disregarding the Vana fight's tokens, = 9K for 4 levels = 2.25K per level

According to SkepticRaven, this is about twice what you would expect from a normal level with a lowish payout and is much closer to things like the danger missions which give less but also prestige. Ergo, I would expect this level to be about as hard as a danger mission and one of the ways they balance those is with bubbles. The knight at this point has had time to go on danger missions since they were new to the game, and so should either be familiar or get familiar with the mechanic. FSC is an older level and needs updating to be difficult with the times.

Maybe people should invest in the rest of the game too how bout that bucko?

Thu, 04/26/2018 - 17:01

Zero-Chill

meow

Well then, guess we should buff the difficulty of JK as well because it's just way too easy compared to it's payout of like 2 FSC floors and is much faster and easier considering we have the broken acheron. And maybe we should buff the snarbolax as well because it's just way too easy compared to the price of snarbostuffing that only takes 3-4 runs to get and that it's available to nearly everyone. How about also buffing D&N's difficulty by adding 5 more waves to the arena and making an arena on each of the previous floors as well? What do you think? Just because you find a level easy doesn't mean that everyone else does. You also need to consider other players, champions aren't as experienced as vanguards actually lol, even if they are how do you know they even do danger missions. Also you can't compare danger missions which are only D24 and D25 and FSC which has those plus D26 and D27, the first floor of FSC gives less than 1kcr (less than the first floor of sewer stash) the second one got a decent payout but takes a lot of time to complete, the third floor has a bit more loot and is balanced (according to the game at least to have monsters that have more health and deal more damage, just because your EV makes a quick run of the last arena on D26 doesn't mean that it should be buffed, you're just smart enough to use that weapon for that situation, D27 is fairly balanced on difficulty and payout, the boss fight is hard if you don't have a gun. I'd like to point out that not everyone finds FSC that easy, you just got used to it because you play it too much, when I was a bomber I did D&N runs in no more than 15-20 mins solo each, while a lot of my friends were struggling with farming it for rads, when I had 3 other people in my party usually only me and another person or just me were alive because we played it a lot so we know what to do while the other party members didn't farm it as much.

Thu, 04/26/2018 - 17:02

Zero-Chill

meow

Thu, 04/26/2018 - 17:02

Zero-Chill

meow

Thu, 04/26/2018 - 19:43

Azuresh

It'd quite ruin the level for me.

I always see the Lost Souls, with how awfully spammy thwy are, just an cheap way to have actual difficulty for most levels with them.

And the levels of FSC also of ot have areas with lots of enemies and CQC and spikes with not many options to move, which doesnt pair well with souls.

Thu, 04/26/2018 - 21:48

Fehzors-Forum-Alt

Zero you need to break up the wall of text its hard to read so I'm not going to.

Also tight spaces work great with souls. Great for killing the player and making them choose where to stand. They aren't just cheap difficulty they make you think.

Fri, 04/27/2018 - 04:50

Zero-Chill

meow

Like this?

Just because you find a level easy doesn't mean that everyone else does. You also need to consider other players, champions aren't as experienced as vanguards actually lol, even if they are how do you know they even do danger missions. Also you can't compare danger missions which are only D24 and D25 and FSC which has those plus D26 and D27, the first floor of FSC gives less than 1kcr (less than the first floor of sewer stash) the second one got a decent payout but takes a lot of time to complete, the third floor has a bit more loot and is balanced (according to the game at least to have monsters that have more health and deal more damage, just because your EV makes a quick run of the last arena on D26 doesn't mean that it should be buffed, you're just smart enough to use that weapon for that situation, D27 is fairly balanced on difficulty and payout, the boss fight is hard if you don't have a gun.

I'd like to point out that not everyone finds FSC that easy, you just got used to it because you play it too much, when I was a bomber I did D&N runs in no more than 15-20 mins solo each, while a lot of my friends were struggling with farming it for rads, when I had 3 other people in my party usually only me and another person or just me were alive because we played it a lot so we know what to do while the other party members didn't farm it as much.

Fri, 04/27/2018 - 10:19

#10

Strayed-Faris

← all wolvers to the left!

> According to SkepticRaven, this is about twice what you would expect from a normal level with a lowish payout and is much closer to things like the danger missions which give less but also prestige.

err, FSC is supposed to be a boss gate, it also has more monsters and is much larger than normal levels. it's only natural that would give out more crowns.

> FSC grants about 9Kish for a full run, disregarding the Vana fight's tokens, = 9K for 4 levels = 2.25K per level

um, no

I ran through the first level of FSC, and the output crowns is less than what you state it should be. After that, I decided to run FSC again but this time I went up to the second level and well... According to your math, I should have walked away with about 4.5k crowns. but that didn't happen. What this means is that the crown output grows with each level, like it should.

so, FSC gives out about 3500 crowns for the first two levels, on elite. according to Lancer Knightz's data this seems about natural for missions with a lot fighting going on. Heck, according to this, JK outputs about 3k crowns, and that's just a tier 2 boss gate.

tl;dr= i don't get it

Fri, 04/27/2018 - 11:04

#11

Fehzors-Forum-Alt

Making dreams and nightmares harder is actually an excellent idea if you ask me. The current formula for it does feel a bit weak since there's only one arena and way too much running. As with my idea for FSC, I would expect the treasure room to be buffed as well. Good work.

As for FSC yes this is meant to bar out lesser players while making it more exciting and interesting for myself and others.... you see-

The game is divided into two groups-
1) The new players that are going to struggle and quit
2) The old players that are bored but stick around

One of these groups pays money. Hint it's group number 2. We should cater entirely to group number 2. The only group that matters.

You might say that new players become old players. This isn't true any more. They're too far behind and maybe .001% can make it through but that's so rare it isn't worth mentioning. If it wasn't designed this way we would have easier radiant fire crystals, less orb grinding, etc. but we don't. It's proof that the devs don't care for group 1. Just group 2. Prize boxes forever.

Fri, 04/27/2018 - 17:15

#12

Flash-Flire

@Fehzor

"We should cater entirely to group number 2."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07zYvkNYL8

Fri, 04/27/2018 - 19:41

#13

Fehzors-Forum-Alt

I really hate that clip because people keep using it to shut me down but it's just them saying no?

Either way, you're just mad because you're poor and lack the skill to handle bubbles in FSC. You just want free crowns when you need to work for them.

Sat, 04/28/2018 - 16:35

#14

Flash-Flire

@fehzor

Please no.

We shouldn't be punishing new people who want to start playing this game by making one of the missions (that is REQUIRED TO PROGRESS, mind you) insanely difficult, especially if said people happen to live in a place that's not in America and consistently have 1 bar of connection and like 2-3 seconds of latency (particularly since this game has no lag compensation).

How about instead of making previous missions harder, we could get more danger missions, more rewarding danger missions, new missions in general, a fixed elite more etc. ?

By the way I really appreciate you basically telling me I have no skill just because I'm not willing to spend ridiculous amounts of money

Sat, 04/28/2018 - 17:36

#15

Fehzors-Forum-Alt

Yea I don't really think the devs can make new content. Just tweak existing things slightly. Like we have yet to see them do anything new since the transfer-- the sleep update was in the game already. Better to suggest them what to tweak than to tell them to do something they can't, like make a new level.

Also new players are a dime a dozen and we should only keep them if they're willing to pay. Might as well hit them hard and early instead of building up false hope.

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Firestorm Citadel needs fiery lost souls on each level