The option to bribe for no auto target lockdown matches should be permamently added. Players have been asking for that since the game mode was released!
:))))))))))))))))
Thank you for experimenting
Making SK great again
Tue, 10/16/2018 - 18:12
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 02:06
#2
Yep.
Its better make an option for make your own game lockdown with your rules, type: maxium players, auto aim on or off, maps and weapons banneds.
I think we need too nerf the bkcs and buff the other sets like, veil, cobalt....
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 05:19
#3
What toyoti is saying is
What toyoti is saying is probably the best thing that could happen, but by already giving you the option to disable it (even if it means paying) (((and I hope in the future it will simply go away totally without the need to pay)))), is already a big step really. The issues in lockdown are well known and some will stay there forever, but we can make it a bit more playable and fair at least.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 06:28
#4
''If you want to enjoy lockdown, pay for it'' And here, there's people clapping already.
I know money milking fashiontards is a practice that every game exploits to make money. Even though this is extremely exaggerated in Spiral Knights, I can understand there is no other way to make money from it if they literally do not hire any developers that would actually do something.
You took it to the next level charging people to make PvP playable, congratulations. This is probably my last post considering not even Grey Havens likes Spiral Knights.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 07:00
#5
10 energy is what... maybe 850 cr? Average LD pro could fart out an FSC run in like 25 minutes for over 10x that much. Stop acting like it's an incredibly burdensome fee, especially because you only need 1 person per match to pay it.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 07:12
#6
This isn't about how much, it's about the -pay if you want to enjoy- policy. It's pathetic and if you can not see it, not my fault. As you just said, now they make you grind vana just for this bullshit, when if they wanted and cared, they could just remove it.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 07:28
#7
(~O.O)~
"I think we need too nerf the bkcs and buff the other sets like, veil, cobalt...."
I am all for buffing those sort of sets but nerfing the "bkcs" as it is a rare end-game item with glass cannon stats like the chaos set isn't gonna change much if anything at all to the current meta of LD.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 10:35
#8
meow
A custom lobby that requires 4e instead of 200cr to queue in with enhanced rewards would be great. 100e basically grant you 25 matches.
I would like custom settings for LD matches but the problem is that even though it's gonna encourage more players to play it'll also split them up even more so even though there are gonna be more people queued for LD matches would rarely start. However, the bribing idea might work but I think it's a bit expensive especially cause it's almost always only one person who bribes.
A good balancing idea is to make bribing give better rewards, just an extra krogmo coin or two won't matter, boosts like trinket and weapon slots, heat and krogmo boosters, etc... They can be adjusted for less duration and basically bribing would "roll" on the lobby making its match either have AT off + no hazards, AT off only, hazards only. Might as well remove krogmo coins from the prize pool of bribing altogether.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 15:53
#9
@Bleyken
You're already paying 200 cr to queue into a LD game. So that's another example of "pay if you want to enjoy" policy.
Also... it's Lockdown. The one mode where players can bring in their specialized triple UV'd gear. You already need to shell out for the best toys to even compete. 10 E is nothing compared to the price of a competitive loadout. At it's core, lockdown has always been a "pay if you want to enjoy" mode, and it's rather pathetic that a 10E fee is what makes you realize that.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 16:06
#10
This addition is actually awesome, but the problem is that 93% of LDers are borderline homeless or just stingy little bastards unless it's related to ASI VH gear. Not to mention, the 'hardcore' LDers always try their best to find things to complain about. This is literally how this plays out in chronological order:
No-AT Mode but for 25e, "Wah! Wah! This is too expensive!"
Remove AT permanently next: "All you guys do is gun. Skill-less bastards."
Remove guns next: "Keep bombing, you dumb monkey. You're trash."
Remove bombs next: "I bet you have ASI VH and <0 ping. You'd be trash in my 9999-ping third world country."
Remove UVs next: "Wow. You're literally only killing me cuz of BK. You're garbage."
Remove armor perks and trinks next: "Combo? Wow, I thought you were better than that, scrub."
Remove combos next: "You're only alive cuz you play Guardian. You're lucky they removed trinks."
Remove LD classes next: "This is peak gaming performance."
Basically, these LDers will never be happy. They find shit to complain about even when ideal conditions are met.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 20:19
#11
We already pay a lot, so paying more its fine? Wish I could comprehend
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 20:34
#12
@Bleyken
You're paying more for something more. Paying for an advantage has been at the core of LD since day 1.
Essentially, you're quitting because they are selling what you want instead of giving it to you for free (which they still do every now and then).
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 21:40
#13
But why should I be happy to pay for something that should be free? What's next? Paying for water? Oh
They force you to grind (or what they like most, pay $) to adapt to the meta yet you clap them when they charge you EVEN MORE?
AT off is no advantage, it's game improvement, even for the AT users that think the world is ending.
This is not to get new players. Lockdown already requires countless hours of grinding or a wealthy family to have a chance. The new players are also not going to pay for AT off because they don't even know what it is. So in what does charging old lazy players that never go into PvE and will probably buy energy for no AT improve Spiral Knights if AT is not even the biggest problem of lockdown? Why should I celebrate? Grey Havens hasn't done anything good for lockdown yet.
Proof it is still dead after whatever the hell they have been doing as you can see here https://steamcharts.com/app/99900
But I just complain senseless guys! I will leave it to you then! Not doing anything is clearly bringing the game back to life. Maybe you are geniuses and I haven't noticed. Silly of me...
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 23:10
#14
The funniest thing about all these entitled LDers is that they should feel lucky this was implemented at all. Lockdown has ALWAYS been composed of the 1%. It has never been the face of SK and 99% of players have absolutely no idea who any of the best/good players even are. These dudes still strut around thinking they're Gods for being good at 1) a game that nobody even knows exists (SK) and 2) a game that only 20 dudes play[ed]. What I'm trying to get at is that why the shit would Grey Havens want to focus on an EXTREMELY dead aspect of their game that was never popular to start with? Considering their track record for changes, you should be grateful that they even paid it any attention at all instead of acting like a spoiled child.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 23:30
#15
"Not doing anything"? They just started selling a solution to something the LD community has been yelling about for years. It's an option. It's a choice. It's an addition. Oh no, it costs money, and I'm going to have to do work. The daily prestige mission gives you like 2k cr, so stop making it sound like unbearable hours of grind.
Not sure what you were trying to prove with shoving the steam charts in my face. Heck, if you zoom out, there has actually been an uptick in players over the past few days. Oh wait, are you trying to convince me that SK has been decaying? What makes you think that you even need to convince me of that? Heck, I'm not even sure why that's relevant to point I'm trying to make.
Going back to the point I'm trying to make...
I'm just baffled as to why you are deciding *now* is the time to quit. The years of stagnation, stale meta, power creep... and adding the option to pay to turn off AT is where you draw the line? Their attempt to give you a solution to a huge complaint is where you go "no more!"? Heck, as OP mentioned, the whole thing is just a temporary experiment. As far as we know, this could just be their way of conducting a survey of LD players to assess the value of AT's removal.
Thu, 10/18/2018 - 23:50
#16
it's time for a bad wolver joke
i didn't realize this until reading Traevelliath's post (post #9), but, remember when we used to pay 10 energy to play a single level?
now people have to pay 10 energy to play a game of lockdown without AT
AT is the new mist energy *ba dum tiss*
...okay, i'm done. i know my way out
Fri, 10/19/2018 - 05:41
#17
@Traevelliath I quit in 2015 so maybe ask before making assumptions
A survey with this mechanism is not viable because it would be the 1/8, 1/10 or 1/12 choosing AT to be off. There have been countless threads about AT, so posting how we feel in the forums about it wouldn't be new either.
About the rest, I repeat myself again, if you love them making you have to spend time grinding to pvp then good luck and all that. You only need to play a few other games to notice paying or even grinding for gear to pvp is NOT the normal thing.
The fact that they even charge you with energy instead of crowns is already awful and will partly make the energy price higher, another problem added for new players, even to older ones too. You just can not see beyond yourself. We have money, so it's not a problem obviously! It doesn't affect much!
Yes, it does.
Putting more barriers to new players only makes SK die faster. Charging older players more solves no problems.
If you tell me that paying more isn't so bad and that I should work more to enjoy lockdown again I will understand that it is stupid to discuss with you and therefore not reply.
@Manlet ok
Fri, 10/19/2018 - 07:17
#18
In regards to Bleykeni can
In regards to Bleyken
i can agree that making the fee crowns instead of energy was the lesser evil for the reason that: if activity did rise as a result of new lockdown experience, energy fees for lockdown directly creates a higher Energy demand, which results in a higher need to grind. For us players that are used to the game it's negligible; however, for newcoming arrivals that want to join the game from presumably increased popularity or players that are at the low end of the leveling system, it is a much tougher experience as they have to do a ton of more work to upgrade their gear.
But in the end !
YAY FOR NO AT OPTION GUIZE HEHE XD
I really like the change - it would be cool to see a random "mode" able to be bribed to be on, otherwise it simply has a rare chance to be active in every game. Would really change up lockdown's tendency to get stale after a few games!