Progression, the reason new players aren't staying, and how to fix it.

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Rakaraka's picture
Rakaraka

As we all know, the player base has been dwindling for the past few years. Spiral Knights just can't seem to keep players playing. However, the cause of this isn't content which is where most people are pointing the blame. As you can see our numbers have been pretty steady even with that two year content drought we just had. No, the real cause of this is progression. I have been observing the way newcomers have been behaving for while, most of them do not make it past the Rank 5 - 6 portion of the game. The way Spiral Knights handles the opening of the game and what it takes to progress is terrible design. Let's take a look at it.

Rank 1 - 5-1

This part of the game is actually pretty steady in its progress and I believe it's handled fairly well, except for few key factors. While it does lead the player on nicely, it does not have the best of tutorials. New players are still asking us many questions even after blazing through the missions. This is due to the fact that the tutorials are presented in huge text walls. People don't play games to read books, they play games to have fun.

In order to fix this, I would create more engaging and interactive tutorials. For example, in the place where we are introducing damage types to the players, give them temporary weapons to use against the six monster families, each weapon with its own damage type. Have them fire each weapon at the monster families to see how the damage changes, and have an NPC comment on the weapon's performance after the player is done. This could directly lead into how to read the gate map, teaching the players what colors mean what. So they can come properly equipped. I see too many newcomers come out of this part of the game not knowing what weapons are good. Don't have this tutorial happen at all once. We will replace Pierce of Cake, Elemental my Dear, and The Shadow Knows" with this new design.

Furthermore, this portion of the game does not encourage the player to experiment with weapons and find what they like. The game outright punishes you for creating the wrong pieces of equipment, this is due to the fact that it takes a while to build up crowns for new equipment and getting orbs other than the ones gifted to you is a chore. Which leads players to just use cobalt, which gets boring after a while. We can fix this by adding a new item.

Recipe Coupons - Recipe Coupons are exactly what you think they are, they'll allow you to buy a recipe of the corresponding star level for free. Recipe Coupons will appear alongside the cobalt recipes, so if people want to go out and try other equips, they can, with no extra grinding required. Players will get 4 recipe coupons per star level. This item will encourage players to buy whatever they want with no consequence. In addition, we can add a weapon "preview" feature. This will take you to a guild training hall with the weapon you're previewing, allowing you to play with it at level 10 to see how it'll function at its best. Players will be able to play around with every kind of weapon in the game without wasting time or other precious resources. Upon leaving the training hall, you'll be taken back to hall of heroes.

Recipe Coupons should also drastically lower the rates that a newcomer crafts a useless weapon. E.G. crafting an elemental weapon when he needs to fight elemental resistant enemies. They'll also drop from Forge Prize Boxes.

Rank 5-2 - 6-2
Well, this is the worst part of the entire game. Rank 5-2 and Rank 6-2 Hall of Heroes are infamous for causing players to quit. This is where most newcomers are going to leave the game. If we implement recipe coupons and weapon previewing and think this section of the game will be in a much better spot. But that won't solve everything. Orbs of Alchemy are the next hurdle we need to cross. Advanced and Elite Orbs are an extremely tedious grind, and players really don't like that.

Fixing Orbs of Alchemy:

First, we need a guaranteed source of orbs. That's where prestige comes in. We add Orb of alchemy reward for completing the normal prestige mission and even more Orbs of Alchemy for completing the danger mission. Meaning the player will be able to craft something new everyday. The orbs you get will be a choice(you must also have at least a certain rank), and you'll get more depending on how low the star level is.

Left: Normal Mission, Right: Danger Mission. Difficulty will not affect orb payout.
Flawed: x3, x6 No Requirement
Simple: x2, x4 Requirement: Rank 3
Advanced: x2, x2 Requirement: Rank 5
Elite: x1, x2 Requirement: Rank 6
Eternal: x1, x1 Requirement: Rank 7

This will not be broken because you can only do prestige once per day. Anyways with prestige, you'll be able to get past 5-2 and 6-2 in much less time than we currently have. As for long-term players, they'll be very happy to have a surefire way of getting elites. This will also create a consistent play cycle, rewarding the player for logging on, on a daily basis.

After that, we need some sort of good tutorial telling the player how to obtain orbs of alchemy. I believe one of the NPCs in the missions just says you can find orbs of alchemy in the clockworks, but that's not explicit enough. Add a tool-tip in one of the missions in front of a group of boxes. Along the lines of "Treasure Boxes can drop rarities such as fire crystals and orbs of alchemy!" would suffice.

Anyways the game is looking a bit better now. Recipe Coupons, Orbs from prestige, AND previewing weapons will make the newcomer experience a lot more enjoyable.

Rank 7 and beyond
I think Eternal Orbs and Shinings are in a pretty alright spot right now. The only thing I have to say is Radiant Fire Crystals. To that I say, add more depths to arcade please.

That concludes my post. If we implement all of the things here, I believe that our player base WILL go up quite a significant amount. More players = more promotion sales = more money. :3 Do it GH

Fehzors-Forum-Alt's picture
Fehzors-Forum-Alt

You write too much. But failing my idea to tie missions to the arcade you have some very alright ideas and some even better observations.

It's true that players are getting caught up around where you say they are, both because of the orb grind and the poor tutorial. There's only so much the community can do to rectify this and that's really where the developers come in.

All the 0 star weapons are normal damage, when that isn't how the game is played

What if you made Zapper, Super Stun Gun and Frost Gun deal elemental, piercing and shadow respectively? This would be the perfect opportunity to show (and not tell) players what does what. Following that logic, Beast Basher, Slime Slasher and Robo Wrecker could be given piercing, shadow and elemental, and all could be upgraded to deal super effective damage against what things are weak against.

Bombs don't have as clear an alternative, and could perhaps be given a new series of shadow, elemental and piercing bombs that deals with this issue.

The orb grind

I don't like the recipe coupons, because that's most of what you pay the game for in crowns at an early stage and it's fairly cheap.

I do like the prestige mission rewards. Those have been a long time coming.

Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
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Also add a new shield 0* that gives bomb CTR med to encourage new bombers

Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
:/

@Holy-Nightmare

And then the bombers realize how underpowered bombs are in general later on and quit since the 0* shield is a trap, of course you can just add in upgrades for the shield to solve the problem. Or GH forbids, give noobs a 1 day trinket slot unlock and give them a free 4* trinket of their choosing, to give them some 'gate way drug' into the P2W aspect of SK.

@OP

I think the recipe coupon idea is a bit unnecessary simply due to the fact GH can just make colbalt line the all rounder that they were always meant to be and it would have been fine, leaving players the choice of whether they want to specialize or not. Just add a universal damage bonus low (combined for a med) and low status resistance against everything except stun, sleep and curse to the line and bang, colbalt is now viable till depth 24. From that point you would struggle with azure, but that is the price you pay for a generalized armor.

The blaster line is fine and a noob can craft into the element of his choosing based on what he would come up against, preferably shadow/elemental for RJP or IMF, the two primary spot for mid game grinding, from there they can pick up a pulsar and sort themselves out. Or get piercing if gilded griffon just isn't their thing.

The calibur line could also receive the same treatment as the blaster to give brandish some competition, imagine a 360 charge with a shadow damage dealing levi could be viable if acheron isn't your thing... one could dream...

These two options (of course, shadow nitronome would not be bad either, giving bomber an answer to RJP) should allow a noob to course correct if he ever finds himself with a less than desirable loadout. He can specialize his starting free weapons to fill out any holes in his arsenal.

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Elegies
Progression is flawed

I think the issue is that you set players out on starter weapons that they'll never use again.

There shouldn't be any "useless" weapons in a game where progression is so heavily-focused on gear. They should all do "well" in any circumstance and shine in their strengths, and they should all progress to the maximum level. If they don't, ditch them. It's cute to have these 1 and 2* weapons but heating, and even forging, to find that they're capped is a huge turn-off.

I like the better tutorials suggestion, but that is a HUGE development resource/timesink that they probably won't see a payoff from. It's exceptionally hard without spending huge advertisement money to attract new players--let alone keep them.

They're better off finding better ways of keeping their current/veteran players engaged. And/or streamer events. Streaming can cause huge game resurgences (just look at Minecraft).

Bomber-Max's picture
Bomber-Max
+1

I just leave my support and quit quietly...

Any of the ideas looks good to me. Except for orb payout. They look quite high to me. I would change it to 1 to all of them except for flawed(keep it 3) and eternal(don't give any) and alternate them with packs of fire crystals for normal missions.

Xan-The-Dragon's picture
Xan-The-Dragon
My personal complaints

Most of my issues stem from how grindy this game is rather than not knowing how stuff works. If using the right type of gear was easier because it was readily available, I'd be set to go without much help at all aside from "Enemies deal typed damage, your weapons deal typed damage, enemies have resistances and weaknesses".

The only reason I insisted on using cobalt gear all the way up until late 3* / low 4* was because, in terms of performance, my cobalt gear did better than my typed gear. Why should I go through the effort of getting the right type if my stock gear did better than my specialized stuff at the time, and it took extra work to make the specialized stuff work properly, you know?

If making your gear sets diverse and properly equipped didn't take so much time and resources, I'd be a lot happier to say the least. It's not that I didn't know how, it's that I just flat out didn't want to spend the time ranking up stuff in the same set of levels again. SK's mission thing feels like ... missions. I shouldn't have to complete a level in the story mode 3+ times to progress, the story mode should be linear and I should only have to complete a mission once to progress to the next. This is how things generally were until late 3*, right around RJP, when I had to grind for eternals / shining fire crystals to get my gear up, and found myself playing missions repeatedly.

I understand that the arcade is the sort of intended way to get around this problem, but when certain missions more readily drop certain resources, I'm not gonna go to the arcade. It's like why people run FSC instead of doing the arcade if they want crowns / heat. Sure there's more levels in Arcade but you can get that stuff far faster by running FSC, it's just a known fact.

I get it that the game is basically drifting on life support and they need to make cash if they wanna continue to provide the game to us (which, my personal hopes says that SK follows in the footsteps of other GH titles and gets open sourced or server software is released to let us run the game locally), but I swear some of the grindyness of this game is beyond words. It makes grinding in titles like Warframe look like a walk through the park.

All through T3 it's been an uphill battle because I'm deprived of even the bare minimum resources required to rank stuff up. I've had to run FSC and such with 4* gear because of this and have only been able to do it with the help of other players, either because eternal orbs are simply far too scarce or my 5* gear is garbage because I don't have the rads to rank it up and my 4* gear performs better than my base level 5* gear. It drives me insane sometimes.