Devs should ban op to double the average iq of the entire sk player base

Oh and, i dont think its an issue of cheapness, its an issue of he PICKED that name for himself and devs have to go and give him a freepass just cuz he regret it and see it was a serious problem after all? Its common sense. Its the same shitty attitude as to insult and scream someone and then get surprise that person insults u back

Him: *Name his knight with a new virus for a joke*
Devs: We have punish u with allowing u to keep playing but we change ur name, no, u cannot get to choose which name.
Him: *Surprise Pikachu Face*

Maybe that meme help u summaries the whole problem

Oh wow, glad to know u just needed an excuse to rant about the Devs being cheap, addition in childrens, etc, but with ur same words "Who cares what he picked? It's harmless in the grand scheme of things" ok so he should stay with the name the devs picked since "its harmless" too, and "who cares?" right? lol

Oh yeah, and it just dawned on me: if OOO (or whoever this corpse belongs to) really knew better, just like how this player supposedly should have, why didn't they put the name in the name censor checker? Profanity gets censored in-game, real time. But, instead of preventing the issue in advance, they decided to allow for the mistake in hopes that 3500 energy would get sunk at the expense of all free to play players.

Ok?... Just to be sure... What its what you think would be fair and right in the case of ur friend?

Im understand that your (fair) solution to this would be that the devs/admins send your friend a free rename ticket to allow him to rename his knight after getting the Snipe-Bug name right? or did i miss something?

The only reason he didn't get banned is because banned people can't burn energy. It's no different from the suicide nets China has. Devs could have made the tickets cost crowns instead of energy. Mods could have given him a ticket. They could have made the censor check for the word "corona" too, to avoid the issue, but they chose not to because it benefits them. They're comission cops, looking for people to arrest for money.

"Oh oh oh, but they could have done worse!" Yeah, they could have found his house and broke his knees. That doesn't justify doing everything else all of the sudden. That does not justify being a commission cop. It's a terrible way to try justifying anything, and it's certainly not diplomatic; it's thuggery, unwitting or otherwise.

Then they could have changed the name censor in February, but chose not to so as to sink energy.

There aren't legal cases of this ilk because being a commission cop is obviously not legal in the first place. Considering we are at SEVEN 9/11's worth of deaths right now, I don't think it should have been all that hard to set up a censor in advance. You said YOURSELF that a player should knownin advance, so same goes for mods. More importantly, the rules should not have been designed to make punished players sink energy in the first place. You do not pay cops per-ticket written. The result is cops who promote crime to wrote more of them. I'm sure the censor is still unchanged.

Like seriously, if it's not a good use of resources, what resources are being spent? To type SIX letters into the censor I see already in place on text bubbles? Excuses. And this time would have otherwise been spent doing what? Going outside? Oops! Nope.

Maybe if you read the posts you're replying to you'd know the answer to your own question. You can see what mods are doing clearly in the post above your first comment.

Good to see some common sense in this thread. Plus, i also think Snipe-Bug is a cool name lol but maybe it was some sort of bad name for sk community i wasnt aware of like a dunce cap.

Theres only two things i would like to response:

"Devs could have made the tickets cost crowns instead of energy."
- You know u can change crowns for energy in the supply depot right? I have done that so many times cuz im one of the players unable to spend any real money on the game

"...banned people can't burn energy."
- I dont think they do IP ban... Snipe-Bug could have easily create another account + knight and keep "burning energy".

Thats all, byeee~

Please, stop using insults. Your posts would be better without them.

I think that Name Change Pass doesn't play here a significant role at all. Changing offensive names probably doesn't happen that often to have any significant impact on the energy market and people genuinely wanting to change their name are likely still the main target audience of the ticket. In other words, I think that the fact that manually changing name may point the player to the Supply Depot for a Name Change Pass is just a small side effect of this solution, not the intent. Maybe even unintended side effect, but we can only guess.

As far as I know, changing offensive names to names mods have chose has been common practice in this game for a long time, maybe even before Name Change Passes were a thing.

If we went by your logic that this solution is unacceptable because of it's possible implications, what are other options? Do you want to permaban every player with offensive name? The other solution is to always discuss the change with the player, but compared to not discussing it, every name change would take few days, maybe even weeks to complete. What if the player doesn't log in for an extended period of time? How long are you willing to wait? If you give up waiting and come up with player's name yourself, you end up with the same situation that you have now once the player logs back in. And imagine someone intentionally making his name against the game rules and you still ask him what other name would he like to have just because you don't want to take a chance he'll buy the ticket "at expense of free players".

Also, a thought regarding this case: if he regretted his choice, he probably wanted to change his name. The mods changed his name now so it doesn't offend any more people, but that doesn't need to put a stop to his initial plan of changing his name. He can still change it, it would just be convenient if the mods' change was to the name he wants.

Stories like these pop up from time to time. I remember I read one or two about how a certain player was permabanned for what seemed as at most mildly offensive conversations or when his toungue slipped once and the other player reported that. I don't know how much truth was in these stories, but it proves that the mods are willing to permaban players if they deem the offense serious enough, as opposed to keep them playing so they can burn energy.

Finally, fun facts: When creating a knight, names Corona-Virus and Coronavirus appear to still be in use, however it says name Snipe-Bug is available.

I deemed giving a pass as almost same as asking him for a different name because you still have to make sure that the player actually uses the pass and that his new name is not offensive again. They could add a feature that would force you to change your name once you log in and send notification to the mod team to check the name, but that could mean a lot of work for the dev team. Another interesting thing that could be done is change the name manually but also give the ticket. But whatever from these options you choose, none of them exactly punish the player for breaking the rules. We could also discuss if punishment is really neccessary but that's a different topic.

As for the crowns... Changing your name feels as a premium feature and premium features usually cost premium currency. But changing personal colors could be also deemed to be a premium feature and it costs crowns, so this doesn't really stands. Another thing I focused on is that people buying the pass after being renamed by mods likely make up only an insignificant fraction of the pass sales. I can't prove this, but if it's true, then these people can't have a significant impact on the energy market and it doesn't make much sense for a change. And if it's not true, then it's quite sad and I guess there is a reason for this change.

But still. I feel as if you picked a thing this ban affects the least and present it as a gigantic issue that's disastrous for society as a whole. I don't understand economics very much, but what I put together is that paying and playing players should be in a certain balance and crown and energy sinks too. It seems that things are in balance right now since energy is neither very expensive nor too cheap. If the passes are a significant sink, then the change would put things in a different balance where playing players would be happier and paying players less happier. And if it is not significant, then why it is such an issue you use energy?

The fun facts were just a little surprise to me. I expected Corona-Virus to be either blocked or available, but it said it was used. Similarly with Snipe-Bug, it didn't say it is used, it was free for taking. So I ended up merely pointing out that the situation isn't or is no longer as presented.

So it looks like someone created a new knight with name Corona-Virus and that the name isn't blocked to prevent the situation from repeating. Thanks for clarifying.

Yes, I'm asking about crowns again because I don't understand your argument at all. You said the issue is that the sales from pass drain energy from the system and free players have worse experience. Could free players even feel this change (would it actually help them / is current situation actually hurting them)? (Yes, soda can, but still. What's the point?) And what stops you from forming the same argument about crowns and paying players? And why not choose the (im my eyes obviously bigger) problem of possibly forcing people in spending money? This is also what I feel you are arguing about in general and I don't see how selling the pass for crowns helps with that. Maybe that paying money to get energy is more obvious than paying money to get crowns, but that's it.

I admit the "premium feature" argument isn't very good and I expressed that in the same paragraph I tried to use it, so I probably shouldn't use it in the first place. The idea behind it was that gameplay related things should cost free currency and cosmetics should cost premium currency. It's some sort of convention or rule of thumb that doesn't have to apply in all cases.

The more we talk about the rename + pass option the more I like it. Not a fan of dumb names, but it sounds quite clever. The name being a warning for what could've happen. "You're free to change your name again, but choose wisely as we might not give you the pass next time!"

The argument I had in my head when writing the first post was that you can't accuse the mods of milking money from the situation solely from how they punished the player. I don't deny it's a possibility, but there are several other reasons that could explain why they did what they did. I mainly talked about the convenience of their solution, which I consider to be more significant factor in their decision than the small amount of money they can get. The "mods being lazy" is also more in line with other things such as obvious mistakes in announcements or prize pools on the wiki (missing items, percentages doesn't add up) popping up all the time.

So what if his name is a corona. how does this even matter.
oh no his name is corona. well i dont feel anything different. TIME TO MOVE ON.

I think there's just no way you can convince the devs / community manager / grey havens to change it. they already said "sorry, we won't". you asking the "community" to copy-and-paste the same message over and over again is toxic and annoying behavior. they said no to you. your logic is you should then bring the whole community to follow in your steps. that's bad. you could get all these other knights/players banned too, alongside you if you're annoying enough.

what you can and SHOULD have done, is a call to help to raise crowns/energy for Snipe-Bug to buy a name change pass. our community is supposed to "HELP" this troubled knight, not "ATTACK" the developers for what's done or how they enforce rules. we are not in a position to do that.

you're going about this the wrong way bud. if this thread was first titled "asking community help to raise crowns" , i totally would have given you like 25% of however much knight name change pass costs. seeing the kind of person you are, I won't help you or this "snipe-bug" person.

also I agree it is a grindfest-game. sucking in people to be invested in it, making them waste hundreds of hours. but oh well. If you want a better game go play slime rancher. Nick popovich is working on that, along with Chris Lum and Harry Mack as coders and composers i think, 3 of them were on the spiral knights initial team, i'm pretty sure.

yes. i was a liar and i was nonsensical, i have no meaningful inputs or things to add and you're clearly so much better, go send those emails for OP then, I'll see if it works. if it does, good job, you're a hero :)

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I really cannot understand.I read the original post.The name is offensive thus illegal.
Changing his name back to the original was a mild punishment and they could even ban for a time period his character,in other games they delete characters with offensive names,but they Gms decided not.He should be happy.When you violate the law you must be prepared for the consequences.
He took the minimum consequences.

We could debate if the violation was unclear,but the player himself regretted he picked that name and aknowledged that picking the name was a mistake.

I want to point out something,I do not believe that the Gms change the name with direction to force the player to earn energy in order to choose his name.
They are a small team they cannot spend time with every issue for a long time,they thought we can put the previous name and it will be all good.
Why when the knight contacted them they did not chage?Cause if they accepted to change his name,is like stating that putting an offensive name is not a biggie.They understood the player he did not want to be offensive and the regretted but still he was offensive.
We overanalyzing too much the subject.

I have a degree in logic, and I mean the real-deal logic, not comp sci.

If you haven't already, you should check out the undecidability theorems of Turing and Church --- for example, the halting problem. They are basically parallel-universe versions of Gödel's incompleteness theorems. (This post has nothing to do with knight names. I just like talking about the formal sciences. :)