Gemstone Promotions

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Turbillion's picture
Turbillion

I'm sure it was refreshing to see all of the promos within the Gemstone series come back last year, but did we really need to get them all over again this one?

There was a poll not so long ago made by Exelius where over 100 players voiced their opinions on possible reruns for this year ( https://strawpoll.com/8uv54uksw/r ), getting the same line-up of promos again is probably the least we were expecting.

Although the thread mentions there'd be other promotions, sales or events, we only had 1 non Gemstone promotion last year so it isn't looking very promising; It would be nice to know which other non Gemstone promotions we'll be receiving throughout the year.

It's not great news for those who invested into Gemstone promos either. In hopes of getting some profit out of them in the long run, they basically hold even less value now.

Whether you're fine with another Gemstone rerun or not, let's try to keep this thread civil and use it as a form of feedback to Grey Havens. Feel free to voice your opinion down below.

Hatn's picture
Hatn
OKAY LETS BE CIVILIZED HERE PEOPLE!!!

It's Rose Regalia Returns Again but Gemstone Gems Returns Gems Again... Again!

Loupous
gems poggers

yoo, another year for merchs to be buying auras for 30ke to resell for double a year later... right? omegalul
please, make gems yearly :^)

seriously, though... why? :') everyone was expecting new stuff for about a month and then you guys drop this? >:U

Spamton's picture
Spamton
I'm crying

It makes no sense, why run almost exclusively Gemstone boxes for an entire year just to do it all over again? There are so many prize boxes that the community is begging for... You guys want to listen to us and earn lots of money right? Then please... just run those boxes... I'm literally crying right now 😭

Cronus, or some game master I don't care who. Please log back on and turn on a more interesting promotion. Please... this doesn't make any sense...

Number-One-God's picture
Number-One-God
This will most likely do nothing but

This is incredibly frustrating, as I don't believe we want the same boxes to rerun again without a mix in order or even a cool gimmick, this defeats the purpose of a live service.

Just because we got happy with this change of pace it does not mean we will be content in getting it *again*.
Please at the very minimum, mix the order.
If we want thing to be more interesting, release popular boxes each month instead, like spritely box, or Polar box, et cetera, by announcing which month they will come like you did last year with the Gem Reruns.

Thank you for your attention!~

Carbon-Jm's picture
Carbon-Jm
Why why why why why why why why why

Literally no one asked for another year of gemstones. We were tired of them by the end of last year. If gemstones become standard like Equinox/Solstice without interfering with other promos, okay whatever. But please, don’t just repeat last year because that will not be good for the game.

Runs-Forum-Node's picture
Runs-Forum-Node
I am so mad.

I am personally sick of gem promos. It makes literally zero sense why they would rerun it a SECOND YEAR. This is a really bad move for Grey Havens. They should heavily reconsider this move. HEAVILY! So many people are going to leave the game because of this.

Sosheem's picture
Sosheem
Unfortunate

All we can do is vote with our wallets against this. I'm personally not going to spend anything on these promotions.

Exelius
Ummm

Someone told me the Gem Promotions were repeating again and I laughed at them because I thought it was a joke, even reading the announcement I still think that it is. The Gem reruns last year were great and all, but we were hoping that more than 1 different promo was going to be rereleased during that time and the previous gem announcement gave off that impression to most players. A lot of people including myself were relieved gem was over because 12 months in a row of gem recolors is incredibly tedious, doing it for yet another 12 months is very very unwise. We've had our fill of gem for awhile, I don't think this decision should be upheld.

Last year I ran a poll as mentioned by Turbillion which received 137 player votes on what older promotions they were interested in seeing again. I feel like that alone could give a much better picture of community interest in boxes which is also synonymous with more box purchases if more people are interested.

I ask that you please revert this decision and I hope many more people ask for a reversion of this decision as well.

Refraizen's picture
Refraizen
Not really angry, just disappointed.

I just log in to hoard, sell stuff, and chat with people. I've got a decent appearance in terms of market; people know I've sunk quite a lot into gem stuff.

To be frank, the reason I'm disappointed isn't because I'm likely going to lose out on it. I've put a lot into gems because I figured if it reruns again the year after, it's a definitive sign that the game is inching towards shutdown. This is simply lazy, and not nearly as profitable as if GH reran literally anything else. I'm just disappointed in the decision to rerun them. Not only are the numbers for the items are run into the ground, the supply of gem from last year is still floating around in the market, everything being relatively easy to find which is way more cost-effective than buying the boxes from GH through depot.

I was actually seriously considering doing a big community-wide giveaway sometime in 2022 because clearly the staff doesn't really give much to excite us, what with our primary go-to's for all things SK are literally in-game players through third-party things (Lego on Twitch, well-known community members and moderators of the official SK Discord, etc). What do we really expect from GH anymore besides reruns? Not even bug fixes, that's for sure. There's so little morale for me to even want to do this giveaway anymore, I'd rather just go inactive for the remainder of this year. Or forever. Not even joking. People are already meming that they're probably also just going to rerun splash as well and then be done with 2022. Absolutely no expectations.

I'm never on forums so I'm just going to voice my dissatisfaction all at once. There are definitely a few things that I was content with following this game's changes since GH took over, but similarly there's been strings of bad moves on their part. People haven't forgotten about how they handled the thing with Lucas. There was nothing for the 10th Year Anniversary. Are we gonna be kept in the dark about development/planned reruns/in-game unreleased data forever? Where the heck are my chinese new year boxes? Can't even do promos right smh.

Please retract the gem box re-reruns for this & next year. Doing that gives me the faith that GH can at least listen to player dissatisfaction instead of tuning us out because I'm pretty sure nobody wanted this.

Small-Er
I am sick of Gems

When I saw this idea of rerunning Gems another year I personally thought it had to be a mistake, but obviously it isn't?
I'm not a huge fan of Gems myself and imagine many people are tired of them even if they really like Gems.
In my opinion a 2nd year of this Promo series is unhealthy for the game and will result in less excitement overall and also less box purchases which is bad for GH aswell. I'd like to see them rethink the idea and maybe bring back some exciting Boxes. Please, make the effort and make this year amazing!

Lunadra's picture
Lunadra
Nah

Just nah. No thanks from me fam

Pleibos's picture
Pleibos
Disappointment and a possible remedy

I am very dissatisfied and disappointed with the reason decision to rerun gems. They are bland now, in a game that already has issues with stagnation. They are uninteresting, bleak, and boring.

It does say that promotions will run with the gemstones, but only saying often rather than always. Will it be another year with only 1 promo besides the gemstones? That I cannot agree with, it is a silly decision and will reap far less profit than making promotions diverse and exciting.

Grey Havens, Cronus, other staff responsible, Gemstone reruns would not be hardly as bad if you guaranteed that another promotion will run alongside them each month. As Turbillion mentioned, a list of all planned promotions to be released/re-released would make this far less dire.

Perhaps even by mentioning a few highlights and not all of the planned promotions, the general mood would improve. Please, keep the game vibrant, exciting, and alive. I speak for my whole community at Onlyknights that we desperately call for change and excitement in the game we love. Please consider adding exciting promos from Exelius's list at https://strawpoll.com/8uv54uksw/r alongside the Gemstone Boxes to keep the game colorful and less bland and stagnant and guarantee that each month a promotion from the list will run alongside the Gemstones.

Thank you for reading and have a good rest of your week. I look forward to hearing from Grey Havens on this topic.

Boldrezil
Bad Financial Decision

I'm just going to be blunt here. This is honestly one of the worst financial decisions they could make.

1. People already whaled on gem boxes, there's going to be a huge crash in sales this coming year.

2. Stale market. There are so many older boxes that have never seen the light of day in 5-6 years. Barely any items from that era have lasted, and with the current unbind system they will never hit the market again. This leads to a very boring market and decreased motivation from players to at all. What is the hesitation of re-releasing old items? It only hurts the economy.

I seriously think GH should think this over. The game only has a couple hundred consistent players and decisions like this gives them no reason to log in. Especially when these players were asked what they want to see again. Remember how successful the splash boxes were? The way to get players back in the game again is to introduce fresh new items into the rotation. I have a feeling if this goes through, the stats are not going to look good this year..

Brabdo
Oh look, another complaint

I think after a whole year of gem boxes being dropped, a lot of people have gotten sick of them pretty quickly seeing how it was the first week of EVERY month and yet more waiting for the next month.

While it was nice to see gem stuff come back after a long while, coming back AGAIN after gem event being over just sounds like a copout for not wanting to bring back more older event boxes.

I can see it as like a small leeway for planning what else to drop for the next year, but that is still another year of waiting, and I'm not too sure many players will stick around long enough to see that next year happen knowing nothing exciting is going on this year.

Just more gem boxes, nothing special.

The-Rising-Phoenix's picture
The-Rising-Phoenix
Why?

As a player of many MMO's, actual playable content and so called "DLC" would be fantastic, and preferable over constant cosmetics. Don't get me wrong, I love cosmetics, but they don't really make the game If the endgame farm boss is still Vanaduke for the past 11 years (and let's not forget moonstone and valestone are literally useless on every single account.)

It's also nice to have Dev's and staff members communicate with their player-base thoroughly and actually taking their considerations to heart.

In the past whenever we spent at least $10, we would be allowed on the preview server to chat directly and if you were lucky you'd see all the developers and team who were open about almost everything that was going on or planned besides "super secrets"

https://imgur.com/a/HDSCvTi < Dev Geordie inspect During Garrison preview server (and Helios and Nick were here as well, but I like Geordie's outfit.)

It just can't be that hard unless they too hate this game, given the vast amounts of mods that have been made for this game with such a small player base of less than 1000 people, making new weapons and levels cannot be that difficult.

The Skyblivion project modder team believed in their ability and are creating an amazing game remake with no official revenue. there are a lot of examples I could throw here as comparison of what they could do since they are technically not under corporate terms with Sega.

This game still has incredible potential, and they just let it slowly die off like it's another failed early access game on steam.

I'm going to keep asking for REAL content because every good game updates and tries to add something new, this whole box mumbo jumbo, why do we have to stay excited for new cosmetics when everyone still has to farm vana because all other places are not as viable?

Instead of gem boxes, I would appreciate if someone from Grey Haven's LLC comes fourth and talks to us and gives us the truth and nothing but the truth about what's planned how everything is going.... maybe they need help or are looking to hire or volunteers to help improve the game....

Thats-Rough-Buddy's picture
Thats-Rough-Buddy
@The-Rising-Phoenix 100%

@The-Rising-Phoenix

100% accurate, but if you look back 1, 2, or 5 years on the forums, you'll see identical posts trying to get GH to talk or get more content.

Ultimately, Grey Havens has stuck to their word like a train on rails, and only kept SK alive. Nothing more.

The only chance SK has at growing is being purchased by an active development studio, with experienced game developers, and a clear design vision.

Modding is great for kids who want to play with cosmetics, but building and testing the core mechanics of a game (especially an MMO) requires a professional team with actual skill, experience, and a singular vision.

Yatez
(respectfully)

Hello Grey Havens,

It is with the utmost respect possible that I sincerely request you rethink your decision to rerun the Gemstone promotional boxes. I believe it is in the best interest of the community you have done an oh-so-great job fostering these past years, as well as the wonderful team that keeps this game running through server maintenance and customer support, to perhaps provide an alternative promotion campaign for the coming year. Personally, it would be far more refreshing and successful (in terms of player support and interest), if we possibly saw some older promotion boxes return instead. Some might call me crazy, some might call me insane, but I think that I, along with my fellow community members have a fairly well-informed vision for what this year's prize boxes could be.

A fellow Spiral Knight, known by the name Exelius, has slaved for countless hours in order to compile a list through accurate data collection from over 100 survey participants in regards to what promotions they would like to see this year. I will provide the link here: (https://strawpoll.com/8uv54uksw/r). I sincerely hope that will shift your gaze upon those responses, as they could very well be the future of this game as we know it.

We have laid out the pieces, and now our future rests in your hands.

With much love and a happy Martin Luther King Jr. weekend,

Yatez

Spring-At-Peace's picture
Spring-At-Peace
Only Gemstone re-runs this year?

Honestly, I'm not going to be surprised that from now on, Gemstones are going to be re-run each year starting 2021. I don't care really if this becomes the case since having prize boxes in the first place is better than no prize boxes, but I worry that this is the only prize box we'll be getting for each month starting this year.

The Splash Prize Boxes in 2021, for example, brought some fresh air again for many players, old and new. Sure it's just a prize box that wasn't in the rotation for a long while, but several people wanted that box back for the content inside and many enjoyed its presence. I do hope that this would be a similar case that would happen to start at the end of this month or February (Hint: Blooming Prize Box would fit the theme well for Valentine's Days) and that Gemstones are just an additional thing fellow knights would like to purchase as well. Otherwise, it'll just cause many to not feel as much interest in the game for a long while afterward due to lack of content.

Although I missed out on 2019 due to situations outside of Spiral Knights, what happened that year was pleasant since there was always something that at least piqued interest inside of Supply Depot starting January 6th, 2019. I was able to make some creative costumes that I adore to this day still that I even draw on the side. Heck, I missed the Surprise Boxes that happened from 2014 to 2019!

But yeah, please take into consideration not only keeping the game alive but keeping it at least exciting and memorable still to the player base that you cater towards. I wouldn't mind if there was another forum post from Grey Havens asking for input directly from the players as well since it would help with communication barriers indefinitely. It'll become "Crystal clear" as to what the player base wants by doing so.

Grandish's picture
Grandish
Gremlin rerun.

We only had the Gremlin promo once in history, and that was nearly eight years ago. Now THAT is a promo that DESERVES to rerun, since we've only been getting Glacial Gremlin costumes ever since, which, let's be honest, they look hideous.

Legobuild's picture
Legobuild
My 2 cents

While the merchant side of my brain doesn't like the increased availability of the boxes coming out after being run last year. I don't think it's a bad thing for the game/casual players holistically. It's basically a 'if you want these, they'll be around during those times'. If anything it will manage market value of the items, rather than inflating to infinity. (ouch our merchant wallets, rip)

That being said, I do hope we see more variety of boxes scattered in with these, rather than the gem boxes being the only main prize box available. (along with the usual event boxes we see every year) I do think Exelius did a fine job surveying the community on historic boxes for what players would like to see return. I can understand if Grey Havens has some larger plan they are driving towards and that's why they are making certain direction changes, but if it's just to maintain the existing community, any good customer service rep would say give your customers what they are asking for...

o/

Stupyjego
Gem Box Rerun

Hello Grey Havens,

I would like you to reconsider your decision to issue a second rerun of gem boxes this year. Exelius has created a survey with over 100 players and compiled a list of promo boxes that the community would like to see, and a rerun of gem boxes is definitely not among them. This list has been sent to Spiral Knights support staff, and I would suggest that Grey Haven have a look at top picks and integrate them into the plans for this year.

As someone who has spent a ton of money on Spiral Knights in the last few years, I am very disappointed with Grey Haven’s current decision, and I can list many players who feel the same. It comes across as disrespectful to the community, for we have been very patient with the lack of new content and have expressed our desire to see certain box promos return, but instead we are presented with something we don’t want at all. While I would love to continue supporting Spiral Knights, it is up to Grey Havens to make my spending worthwhile.

Thanks for taking your time to read my message, and I look forward to Grey Havens making some changes for the better.

-Stupy

Geomec's picture
Geomec
Three whole years of Gemstones.

Grey Havens, please reconsider rerunning gemstone prize boxes again. I have not seen a single person support this decision and people are not happy about it. There wasn't a single new promotion in all of 2021 and there was only one or two reruns last year that were notable.

We've already had two entire years of gemstone boxes, please do not make it three. The community has made many suggestions for which promotions they want ran again; I think that'd be a good place to look for inspiration.
Thank you for your time.

Gackt's picture
Gackt
I don't support a rerun of

I don't support a rerun of the gems promo, I was getting sick of last year ones, Fix this Cronus

Flowchart's picture
Flowchart

no devs, game's on autopilot, gms either can't or won't do anything themselves. That's SK in the last few years for you.

Exelius
Three Cents and then some

Grey Havens I am aware of your mission to "maintain" the games you own but we're getting to a point that I think it can't be sustained unless you're willing to take a step forward in a move of good faith. Every year we get increasingly more disappointing signs from your company all be it small things more often than not but they've been adding up in this 10+ year old game for awhile now. Simple things like botching the link to the current promotion, typoing minor things, and obvious copy pastes that are irrelevant to players support tickets. Rerunning the same batch of promotions for another year with a player base that is for the most part sick of seeing them is just the most recent addition to this list. Although it may seem small or petty in a way it really isn't when you add it to the list, it is a whole new level to showing us that Grey Havens as a company has no interest in this games well being whatsoever.

The last unique box promotion came 04/19/19 w/ Battle Boar Boxes, the last true note worthy "Game Update" came 08/07/2019 with the final changes to the Treasure Vaults, and the last recolored promotion came in 12/11/19 w/ the ShadowTech boxes. The last trickle of any form of content we had died out in 2019 we've just been on reruns since then which is manageable just with the sheer amount of promotional boxes that have been stockpiled over the years but now we're to the point that we cant even get a thoughtful promotion box rerun schedule? I know you've claimed that other promotions(plural) but after last year it's hard to believe in that statement or we will at least have disappointed take on it assuming the other promotions will be lucky, equinox, and solstice pretty much exclusively which don't really cut it with how often we get them.

I genuinely hate talking about this game or your company with a negative view like I am here but it is impossible not to with how this game has fallen. I know the company has a history with mistrust in the past and the way the internet and the world is you should never have complete trust but we need something. As nice as things like Cyber Monday, rare featured auctions, and GM Interviews are we need to take steps beyond that and not back peddle anymore. At the very least we need a true community manager in some form or another, a staff member that keeps in touch with the community to work with us on some level. It doesn't even have to be a paid position, go slightly out of your way and consult the pillars of the community and ask us things or listen to what is being said. Consult Lego, Fangel, Turbillion, myself, or someone when you hash out some plans for the game.

I've been told that I've put more effort into this game than you the company that runs it on multiple occasions in the past year which I find quite sad, I really enjoy community events that give players an excuse to have fun while also being rewarded which do take time to set up but if I can put more effort in with a couple hours of free time than a company can while putting out a incorrect or flawed copy paste/statement that is incredibly disappointing. By the way the gem box details have some missed information I helped you fix last year, pearl boxes also have wolver and cat tails in them not just diamond and emerald. I can skim through with less than five minutes of proof reading and catch errors that are a simple fix.

I know that this game gets even less attention than it's sibling Puzzle Pirates because the game masters actually enjoyed playing it more so than Spiral Knights but please give it at least the bare minimum you can, which some how the company can't even manage that.

Last bit:
I love this game to a fault and I want to continue to, I've put in nearly 300 days into playing, socializing, merchanting, making or participating in community events, managing a guild, and probably many other things. I am by all means addicted to Spiral Knights even in it's current state in a healthy way I believe. I've seen many many people quit during my 10+ years in this community which I really hate to see, I accepted the state of this game for what it was in 2018 however it's somehow declined since then and I never have wanted to say this but this is my last year on Spiral Knights if it has really declines this far. I want to continue to do the many things I love in Spiral Knights this, this community is a very special one and I want to reach out to better it in a positive away, not by hating on it till my dying breath.

Please work with us even if it means putting up with some unpleasantries

Also if you managed to read through that monstrosity, thanks for your time lol

Exelius~

Hatn's picture
Hatn
I Love Gackt

Thank You GH for rerunning Gemstone Promos again this year, I missed out on a lot of stuff last year. I am happy that I am able to have a second shot at obtaining the stuff I missed. I don't know why the whales are whining as there's still stuff to whale on, suck it up and let it flow through your veins.

Ariave's picture
Ariave
+1 to the OP

Nothing new for me to add, but please don't repeat the Gemstone promotions again...