but honestly, my list needs an update, I'm trying to remember more players.

Can’t fucking play me with that Exileddread statement

Exileddread is better than anyone.
Sciasz was intimidating and had good pressure on the players.
Canozo is strategic.

Go to YouTube when you can and search her videos. Compare the videos with Darkcub and Thrillhaus 1v1's. Tell me, what's the difference between Cher, Dan, and Thrill. Then add Azoldria (if you can find any videos) and compare how both are higher than Cher, Dan, or Thrill.

Now if you watched Darkcub's and compared it with Thrillhaus and his 1v1's and Kattamoon's match performance, I'm sure you see some similarity. Both (Dark + Katta) play literally the same and you couldn't say that for him as well (Darkcub)?

What stunlock are you referring to? Brandish is the hardest weapon to stunlock people in? Unless it was a combo, I understand, but with Azoldria using it? Na. Azoldria had ASI on Flourish? Haven't seen it. On Brandish, yes. When did she ever play seriously to be recommended on any list? Dan had ASI Med still better, Cher had H on her SF still better as well. Also, you posted about your best pick in T2 in 2014 and mentioned Cherriee and not Azoldria, why not?

In terms of seriousness, there is no one in my list or on your list that doesn't play seriously. That term is just used to say "I'm a retired player, I'll participate when I have to" excuse. The problem was the player under you is what you guys ever aggressively tried to. The difficult players are your competition, not the average player. You won't be able to do what you do to average players with your competition.

Rawr didn't play in the 1300's, I referred him to average because he was just super slow and had no uniqueness to him. Contri was better than Rawr, and that's me being seriously considerate (especially since no one takes Contri serious).

Rebel-Ex:If you’re getting information from YouTube videos then idk what to say really.
A: That's one of the sources to finding and relying on cognitive memory. If you can find Skybrandon's and Redblades's video, I'm sure you can find more. Problem is how much of SK YouTube were you watching and what can you actually remember and see.

Rebel-Ex:There’s not a single 1v1 or RLD video from any player besides Redblades and Skybrandon that shows their actual battle skill n prowess when they were tryharding.
A: There should be no exception on any player in showing their skill and prowess when they are tryharding. Your top 10, 20, and 50 were tryhards. That also includes you. Your excuse for not liking lockdown because it's slow, boring, and simple shows that you have a huge ego. You've tryharded 1,000% of the time and you know it. Telling me you can't find videos of any player(s) and their mechanical and strategical ability to fight players is the hugest cap.

Rebel-Ex:And I’ve seen almost all of them.
A: I know you haven't because you rely on cognitive memory, lol. Screenshots, videos, memory, and proper bias should be all a factor and knowing and remembering players. I'm missing some from my list and so are you.

Rebel-Ex:Kattamoon was a hyper aggressive speedster zerker who knew how to fight other speedsters at close range. Darkcub was a farm-centered run in and die until he changed to using guns.
A: Summarized the whole Spanish community in two sentences. Kattamoon and Darkcub were no different. Played and moved the same. Where else do you think Darkcub got the ability to FF, GF, Vali? From Kattamoon, right? How about FF, GF, and Pola? None of these players have nothing identical to them? You mean to tell me laggy and below average player like Kattamoon doesn't do exactly what Darkcub does in the field? What you mean to say was - Kattamoon was a hyper aggressive speedster zerker who knew how to fight other below average players at close range. Not so much competition for someone who uses GF 95.9% of the time. Both players couldn't aim for shit and you know it. Darkcub guns? Since when?

Rebel-Ex:The reason you didn’t see Azol with SF is cuz you weren’t reason for her to use it lmao. “ You won't be able to do what you do to average players with your competition.
A: Because Azoldria was ass and ass with the flourish. Her primary weapon was Brandish. She used it against players who were easy to touch, for example - you. Why else would she use it in order cases when she barely knew what the fuck she was doing on the field? I don't even think Azoldria was competition because all she ever did was cap and defend. But for some reason she was "fast" and she was "aggressive". Real competition is based off of players who are always outstanding other players in performance, statistics, and ability. With a crappy Icebreak set, low damage, and weak actions, Azoldria is just someone you know and a player who lacked so much on the field. This isn't about tryharding when you want to, it is about your ability and your performance. Fuck outta here with that "she didn't need to use it since she had no competition". She was eating knight toes and sucking hardcore on the field. Never seen a more consistent Brandish user other than Leadmonkey and I'm sure he was probably fucking crazy good with Flourish -- trying or not.

Rebel-Ex:this is the reason I don’t care about new players lmao everyone is boring, simple, and slow. I like to play stacked matches where winning feels rewarding, not farming a bot who thinks they’re good because they can perform a proper stunlock. .
A: Because the new and old players ran over you. How can you care about something you can't beat consistently? Lol. Your true prime started when the players you looked up and under to left the game. Your competition were the player who didn't know how to proper outperform the players on my list. Your challenge right now should be being able to beat the players from today versus from "before". When you're past your playing days, going on your good pals account to destroy his reputation and legacy isn't the best way to show your expertise on the field. About 80% of the new players (2016-till now) can beat you without stressing about it. How, and when did you ever manage to place a player like Zeus-Thunderhold (Fears) under you if he destroyed you in a 1v1 (recorded and deleted on YouTube)? Every good player has farmed, camped, and performed a proper stunlock that got them to the list me and you created. Without the stunlock and other battle requirement (of our choice), you wouldn't have a list. What is boring, simple, and slow is what the players back then used (to an extent and ability) to perform in matches, using that secondary excuse is just a way of denying that your top picks probably wouldn't be able to extend a fight with current players today and from futures on (if they ever log to play).

Rebel-Ex:The reason Rawr is above me in my list was because he was faster than me in T2. The fun in T2 was about fighting close combat vs hyper aggressive speedsters, and Rawr was top 5 in the entire T2 player list at the time.
A: You weren't competition for him. You were probably just starting or you didn't have any leverage over him in the field. Not a difficult player to strike against Rebel. Even Bulby was able to tame Rawr. It's simply not that hard to grasp. You see how you use the word "at the time"? It's a good indicator that what he did then and probably won't be able to do it to you now that you know the game. Can't rely strictly on the past, you need to also factor in today as well. The fun part about T2 is you didn't have players with much UV's, a sense of intimidation, and no reason to automatically end a knight in a fight. Close combat and being aggressive is an ability and part of the game. Rawr reminds me of Ben Askren (no shame or hate). He knows how to fight and play, but he's so uneven, inaccurate and inconsistent that it makes it hard for anyone to have him as an honorable mention.

We gotta put emotions in the past and put facts on the table here Rebel.

It was a forum post of picking your noticeable players in Tier 2 for 2014. You mentioned Cherriee was angry (very true).

Can't find the post, searching for it when I come back from work.

1. What do you mean, lol? It's what YOU typed.

2. No one told you because there's a huge between Rebel-Ex and Prolyphic.

3. Then every list you came up with has no value whatsoever. That makes literally no sense to categorized someone if you haven't seen 1 day of them playing. And I think I told you that before, but I'm sure you insisted you knew better.

4. I guess, referring to Kattamoon? I mean it's true, look at their playstyles, lol. It's undeniably the same.

5. RIP Azoldria because it seems you had to make her look like shit by not even trying to play her. I don't know at this point, I just know even players like Ruby can fight her.

6. I wasn't here for that, but I do remember him having a recording video of him beating you and he said you lost cause you're rusty, idk. But I just think categorization of players need to be a lil fair (same w/ me).

7. In a 4 month span, lol? Lord.

8. O___O you serious, lmfao?

1 — Ah yes, players who regularly tryhard don't tryhard in regular, not balanced matches. That makes sense. So it's clear as broad that if you put your top 10 in a match their performance would be the same as when they would fight below average players? Very interesting... 34k match, great assist, and capturing the points isn't considered as tryharding. You being aware of a players combat ability had something to do with knowing them and not studying them. You missed a conga line of players in your list and telling me or trying to convince me that you were active doesn't cut it though. I could say the same thing and put Ruby in my list because I've seen him play for 3 years and I consider him pro because he played against players who didn't have any potential or recognition into the game. You are conscious that the players on your list didn't even hit 2-3 years of LD, but they somehow made the list because of how you saw the first play when LD came out. Like I said multiple times — year, time, and performance count when looking at a player. What you saw in 2012 won't be the same in 2014 or 2022. LD is evolving every second of the day and to tell me f you were active during those days should be a no-brainer, but you're also just very oblivious and it's evidently obvious.

1.2 — What you saw back then isn't the same. What players peak look like then and now (for such a short time) doesn't define whether or not a player is good. Like I mentioned before, lockdown is evolving and your specifications matter. Players with 1-2 years of game experience isn't enough to be considered the best, or the greatest, or MVP.

1.3 — Digging commentary from players is HUGE. This is how credibility is built. This is how people trust your opinions and can form them as facts. Your post is presented in a professional and structured manner. If you're presenting a post on the forums as such, having that evidence is highly crucial. Your concrete detail needs to have a commentary that can back it up. If you gathered opinions, videos, screenshots, playstyles, LD as a general entity of the game, you'd be such a reliable source of knowing what you present to lockdown participants, veterans, or spectators. It's extra work, but for someone to play a dried game like this for 10-12 years straight should be worth the effort.

2 — I don't know Rebel-Ex better than Rebel-Ex does. I know Rebel-Ex can lie his ass off to make players seem better than actually are. Prolyphic and Rebel-Ex are the same person. I replied to you that you played differently on Prolyphic then you did on Rebel-Ex. You were more aggressive, proactive, observant, and rapid on Prolyphic — due to AT, then you were on Rebel-Ex. We've seen the comparisons and we've seen people on the forums say so otherwise. There is nothing different, special about Prolyphic or Rebel-Ex. You're the same person on that account. Because you played different on a separate means you were trying or not? No, it just means your performance differentiated yearly.

3 — Why didn't you kick in experience? Your top 10 could not compete with what LD is today. And what made me say this was seeing Icegill come back to game playing like a beginner again. It was really depressing to see. Nevertheless, I still don't know why you can't specify the year and how they made the list. How do you get better? By year? By skill? By performance? By damage? What is it? 2 years of experience in lockdown isn't enough to be cutting out everyone. My list contains 2011-2015 because that's when I truly play. 2016+ was different and can speak for itself. The reason why it's basic to others is because there is no official say on what determines an great player on the field — we have to assume with opinion and what others have to conclude. You have to elaborate more on this.

4 — You can't and I think it's obvious to why. This definitely doesn't need any summary or explanations.

5 — This gets to me because it's inaccurate. 2012 - 2014 isn't enough span to determine a player's skill. Azoldria was a novice in the field and there was no pressure, expertise, or strength in her playstyle that stood out. How can you miss the fact that she only capped and assisted? All important, but could be countered by match performance. Rileyslayer wasn't even good to even consider as a reference. Nottheanswer, Dk, Vatonage (we know why, lol), and not sure of Lunetic. Not only does Fireburst Brandish have the shortest range in T2, but to just combo it as your primarily offense strategy just screams out novice to me.

6 — Fair enough.

7 — That's actually believable except for Rawr and Bienya. Serpine... eh. If that's true, then yikes. Sometimes there are players we do bad in battle with due to coincidence or luck. You could probably beat a player if you didn't feel some type of way when fighting them. A good example would be Summus. I could beat Summus, but couldn't because of his timing or presence of being in the match. It happens. Bacon v. Dravor — Dravor lost because he wasn't ready, simply. In that 1v1 scenario, if Dravor was ready he would've beat Bacon for sure. So it depends on how your character sets the tone for the match. But that Serpine, Bienya, and Rawr statement is too much for me to handle.