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A response to the POTENTIAL second shadow nerf to low * forge boxes

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Tue, 06/16/2026 - 10:40
Calyos's picture
Calyos

To preface things, I have no proof that there was another shadow nerf to the odds of lower * boxes. However, I'm an avid fanatic of filling 3 weapons slots with 0* punch guns as well as my shield slot with iron bucklers in T2 therefore I can tell that the average amount of boxes went down to nigh nothing (I'm talking 1 box in ~300 heating attempts the past week).

It could just be a hiccup with my luck which has nothing to do with it.

If there was another shadow nerf to the odds of those boxes... I just want to know why? I understand that GH might want to encourage people to use Punch for UVs instead of abusing an updated system, but it just makes no sense to me.

An average player will need 2.5-3.5 vana runs to get a 1 UV pull at punch to most likely end up with a very bad UV anyway discouraging further engagement with that system. Being able to fill the, otherwise unused, gear slots with low * gear to gamble for boxes felt like having a nice alternative to saving millions of CR to outright buy a good UV'd piece of gear. The boxes aren't free either, there is a small input cost (negligible, but there still is one).

To provide some personal data, I've spent around 70-80 1 UV tickets I got from boxes since the forge update came out as well as around 10 2 UV tickets. The only good UV I got was a single CTR VH on one of my bombs, everything else was damage VS monster families with another single exception being CTR med on my iron slug.

Tue, 06/16/2026 - 17:34
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Draycos's picture
Draycos

It could be you merely had a downturn of luck. It could be the rates were changed behind your back. It could be there's a hidden cooldown on how many boxes you can get in a short timeframe, or you should've rolled for boxes while the invisible pink elephants were asleep so they couldn't intercept them, or some other hidden mechanic like how lockboxes drop from the Prize Wheel more often if you've been opening them.

The lack of transparency means all you have to go by are A) you're getting less boxes than usual, B) there were some behind the scenes improvements mentioned in a variety of patches heretofore, and C) a dev (Gyre-Of-Guile) was dismissive and smug about this when addressing negative feedback about the Slime Casino changes and hidden rates [https://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/125014]. Even if you can't know concretely, that's still more than enough to be suspicious something could be different. You cannot trust that nothing changed just because nothing was explicitly listed.

I think that's emblematic of how poor communication is right now, where either things really are the same and you're left paranoid that it isn't, or something's different and you would only be able to find out for sure through massive-scale trial and error with something that already had single-digit chance of success.

Tue, 06/16/2026 - 22:33
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Inari-Blessed's picture
Inari-Blessed
Very sure you are incorrect.

Very sure you are incorrect. I'd say it sounds like bad luck but statistically it's very unlikely that you wouldn't have gotten something by then.

So far I've been getting around 4 every hour when I actually dedicate time to doing it, which was the same since the Forging Ahead update.
All I can really think as for why this is happening in your case is that either: you are misunderstanding something, not heating the weapons properly, or are not paying attention.
Alternatively, it could be a serverside issue not rewarding boxes to your character for some reason. People have reported losing items in cancelled trades and crafting and such recently.

Thu, 06/18/2026 - 08:09
#3
Calyos's picture
Calyos
No indicators

@Draycos

Lack of communication and partially obscuring update information does this, therefore all of this is a speculation. If it's true, then my questions, worries and points stand. If not, then you could just write this off as a member of the community losing his mind.

@Inari-Blessed

Cool, but what activity are you exactly doing to hit the 4/h? I've been running arcade since the update dropped and it went from average 1.5-2.5 boxes, to 1-2 boxes average per T2/T3 arcade run to now barely getting 1 every few arcade runs. Its been like this for over a week (potentially close to 2 weeks) at this point. This is the least efficient method because I can't be bothered to efficiently farm my fun out of the game, it's something that I've been getting as a bonus on the side.

If I got put on some kind of a forge box watch list, it'd be nice to know, but as things stand - it feels like there was a second shadow nerf to the rates of lower * boxes.

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