I'll offer my thoughts on two specific swords, for now.

[ Amputator ]
Even as a dedicated "Anti-Slime" weapon, Amputator lags far behind Shadow swords in performance (Acheron/Dread Venom Striker/even Gran Faust). The new chance to inflict fire status does nothing to help it in that regard, and seems like little more than odd novelty with almost no use cases.

Proposed changes:
-Remove chance to inflict Fire (it just feels out of place and makes the weapon into an odd fork of the Fang of Vog)
+Give Amputator the ability to inflict [ Defense Down ] on its charge attack (similar to Seraphynx's Disintegration Ray ability).
No current weapon has the ability to directly reduce defense (poison exists, but is often tied into specific damage types and does not work vs all monsters). This could, in theory, turn Amputator into a unique support weapon which shreds defenses and sets up powerful followups for yourself or other party members. Thematically, it could still make sense - imagine the chainsaw blade shredding enemy armor apart!

[ Cold Iron Carver ]
Unfortunately the Undead VH bonus doesn't help the weapon at all, since DvM bonuses cannot overstack past DMG Maximum - meaning you are far better off just continuing to bring an elemental Brandish for undead levels (especially FSC). While it's good to see the weapon getting attention, these changes aren't enough.

Proposed changes:
Change Cold Iron Carver to Elemental Damage
Give Cold Iron Carver chance to inflict Freeze on its charge attack

These tweaks would instantly catapult CiV out from obscurity and make it a viable mainline pick for undead levels and mobs (while also increasing its attractiveness and usefulness in other content, as an added bonus). Elemental-type damage would allow the weapon the maximum benefit from Chaos/Black Kat armor bonuses, and the Freeze status would allow for powerful combos with Vortex bombs. Thematically, it could still make sense - cold iron is cold, after all!

General feedback: Damage vs [ Monster Type ] ("DvM")
DvM is generally a bad stat because it's competing against powerful bonuses easily available on other gear (universal DMG on Chaos/Black Kat armor). Even in situations where you're not using those specific armors, the benefit from having damage up versus a specific monster family is generally overshadowed by just bringing the appropriate damage type (pierce/ele/shadow). Unless a radical change (such as allowing DvM to overstack past DMG Max) is implemented, I would prefer not to see weapons balanced around this stat, since it just seems like a noobtrap.

The turbillion charge attack has the same issue that the DA had before. When your knights back is directly against a wall the projectile will not spawn.

I'm not a fan of the amputator becoming part of the calibur line. While it was weak compared to the other brandishes before. Losing the brandish charge just makes it even worse and is a direct nerf to an already bad weapon(I have a soft spot for cautery sword as it was my first crafted item back in 2011 so it hurts to see it be this awful).

I think the fire is a nice touch but what if (when reverted to brandish) the normal attacks cause fire. That would be nice, unique effect (compared to combuster or FoV's fire from charge attacks) and promote a primarily normal attack gamestyle with an occasional charge attack.

The damage bonus is worthless. Amputator was and still is worse at dealing damage to slime even after these buffs, its intended niche, compared to acheron. Here is a comparison of the damages without any buffs at lv 10 (at Slime training dummy in guild hall t3)
Old Amp: 210 210 260 = 680
New Amp: 268 268 326 = 862
Acheron: 304 304 393 = 1,001

With BK set maxing out damage the slime buffs are just negated and it still can't beat acheron against slime.

Old: 246 246 301 = 793
New: 295 295 357 = 947
Acheron: 422 422 532 = 1,376

Even normal attacks against neutral opponents the Amputator loses to the other brandishes (and barely beats an elemental brandish w/ 0 dmg bonus).
W/o BK
Old: 175 175 219 = 569
New: 214 214 264 = 692
Acheron: 242 242 332 = 816
Elem Brandish: 198 198 283 = 679

With BK
Old: 246 246 301 = 793
New: 295 295 357 = 947
Acheron: 361 361 470 = 1192
Elem Brandish: 319 319 410 = 1048

My suggestion to fix would be revert in back to brandish family so it gets back the brandish charge, fire on normal attacks, buff normal attacks so it has at least the same damage as elem brandish when maxed dmg bonus, and could the fire ticks be changed to higher damage(for just amputator)? currently it is 76 (or fire could be applied multiple times).

Thank you again for doing changes. It's fun to try these things out!

Leviathan Blade
THE GOOD

- Damage is nice
- Damage zones for the charge feel good

THE MAYBE CHANGE

- The knockback is ABSURD. I think all Caliburs should get the same knockback.
- More damage and give it stun? It still deals less than the Brandishes like Combuster vs Neutral Enemies. To me, it should deal more if it doesn't have a status or about the same if it does.

Cold Iron Vanquisher
THE 'MUST' CHANGE

- If you can even out the Knockback on all the Caliburs, just make Cold Iron Vanquisher PURE ELEMENTAL (not split damage)
- Keep the Undead H or VH, up to you. Or remove it fully. Either way PLEASE give it a chance to inflict FREEZE or STUN instead.
- The above changes makes it have a unique identity so its not exactly like Leviathan with a slight change

Amputator
THE 'MUST' CHANGE
It's so hard to put Amputator somewhere. A lot of talks happen between players about this weapon and I honestly do not know what to do with it. Right now it underperforms compared to Fang of Vog, Leviathan, AND Cold Iron Vanquisher in testing. Here's my thoughts on what could change:

- Revert it back to a Brandish and make its damage between the Status Brandishes (Combuster, Glacius, etc) and the Acheron. Keep Bonus Damage vs Slime High and give it Fire status. This way it can be a Normal-only powerhouse. And keep its flinch on the charge.
- OR Make it the "fire" Leviathan. If Leviathan gets stun or something and is given the suggestion I gave above, it would be nice to have an alternative. Maybe.
- OR Make it like Fang of Vog, but the safer version.
- OR simply give it its own moveset that can be similar to Caliburs and Brandishes somehow. Or give it a completely new one. It's in a weird place but it seems it will always be overshadowed by something else right now.

Turbillion
THE GOOD

- The shock and damage increase is nice! Its somewhat underwhelming but its still nice.
- I would actually like to keep Turbillion Normal-only. It just needs more oomph.

THE 'MUST' CHANGE
Like the Amputator, the Turbillion was released in a time where it was thrown into the game with no real thought. Nothing against GH but it is how it looks.

- Please make its charge much slower and pull in enemies. It's a tornado but it doesnt act like one. If the charge is made REALLY unique and GOOD, then it could be a good Normal-only contender.
- Basic bullet attacks should proc shock. Or the whole blade in general should.
- Increase the damage. Its hard to compare it to anything but right now it feels off.
- I am personally not opposed to making it Pure Elemental, but I would like try to make Normal-only work.

Conclusion
This is a good step for a first round. It does need some changes, though. I think that Bonus Damage vs Monster Family abilities are kind of restricting when you put them on Normal-only weapons. I would much rather these bonuses come from SHIELDS and ARMORS. Putting them on weapons feels silly.

I also want to ask again: Are you able to make damages different on Split-Damage weapons? If so, there's a lot of experimenting that can be done with that for ALL weapons. Please answer this so I can stop asking lol

I also want to ask about HEAT LEVELS. 5 star equipment from levels 1 to 7 are weaker than a Level 10 4 Star piece of equipment. That should probably be fixed for testing to be better.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING US LIVE VS TEST WEAPONS. It helped A LOT to compare instead of going back and forth and to help those test that didn't have the weapon already.

Thanks for the changes, I hope my feedback helps. Cheers!

Try testing a shadow or normal/shadow amputator so we can see how broken is. I mean, this is supposed to test it and get more feedback, right? (Obviously it will be crazy)

I totally agree with Doodleman and Promethiean on keeping the Amputator a normal Brandish. But if it needs changes, please increase the damage bonus vs slime to very high. Keep the chance of setting enemies on fire though since it perfectly fits the description and theming. As well as making it stronger to better keep pace with the elemental brandishes. Whoever suggested defense down though, that could be a good one too. But either way, please keep it as a Brandish with damage bonus vs slime for sure.

Maybe Damage Bonus vs Monster Family could be made to not apply to the damage cap if it helps them and UVs get better. But that's another can of worms I worry, even if it allows for tunnel vision against certain enemies pretty much. That's gonna need more work and testing to see how could that work.

I like the changes to Leviathan and Cold Iron Vanquisher though, Very High vs Undead is very good on the latter. But I personally would add a little elemental while keeping the current changes for normal damage to make it even stronger vs undead. The chance to freeze idea is a perfect thematic one too since it's supposed to be cold iron as the name says. I feel the normal damage should stay since it's part of the Calibur line, but adding some elemental to it can help improve the damage to undead and make it more viable as well.

In case Turbillion did have shock effects added also, please keep those too since I think it's a fitting thematic addition too.

I hope these suggestions can help. And in addition to keeping the damage bonuses for the theming and lore, hope Cold Iron can still keep normal damage and Amputator can still be a Brandish too.

I still want Amputator to remain the normal Brandish with defense down or chance of fire in addition to buffed damage vs slimes. But if we need a new Calibur line weapon, please make a new line instead. Maybe if Cold Iron Vanquisher gets some elemental added to it's already high normal damage while keeping damage vs undead adding freeze. we can try adding Arkus' sword as a new Calibur line with minor shadow damage added to normal, but inflicts stun. Can that better suffice for a possible new Calibur line weapon?

Cetta kinda has a point, and I still prefer Amputator as the normal Brandish. So why not experiments with other ways to make Amputator stronger as a Brandish still? Adding different effects like the aforementioned chance to set on fire or apply defense down are already some options. I hope more suggestions for added bonuses or effects can possibly help.

Also, I rather a normal/piercing line for the Brandish be a completely new line. Maybe that one could be the poison Brandish, other than the Obsidian Edge and how it's an event-only weapon. This reminds me of how I already tried to suggest some Shadow Lair weapons together with some other users before. But maybe that is better saved for another discussion instead.

what if the charged attack can homing on enemies, explode and somewhat ignore part of the walls hitboxes (not blocks themselves), and the normal attacks is a full circle around the player (like you can harm enemies even if they´re on your back) and makes you move while doing it in the funny fashion it already does?

If there are going to be more turbillions, consider the same treatment pulsar variations have, a Dark freeze, Elemental Fire, Elemental Shock, Normal Stun.

Hello! Thank you for continuing to give buffs to some of the weaker weapons in the game. It breathes new life into the game and is something we've all been eagerly anticipating for a very long time. I have a few thoughts on each of the changes so far I'd like to share.

Some prefaces:

-Damage versus monster-
Damage versus monster (DvM) is a mechanic that was semi relevant in the early 2010s and it is no longer relevant due to how easy it is to get chaos and black kat. Increasing them does not help the weapons, unless the player opts out of chaos or black kat. This could be more relevant with an armour rebalancing, but currently, increasing these will not bring extra power to the weapons. If you want a weapon to be better against a certain family, then it has to be made into the damage type that is effective against that family, or give it the ability to apply a status but only to that family (this hasn't been done yet.)

-Knockback on charges-
The calibur lines have inconsistent damage because of their knockback. You can mitigate this with shock, sleep, walls, or other methods, but it can really ruin the potential the weapon has. I would like to be able to test how the charge would feel if only the FINAL hit caused knockback. This way, all hits would easily connect, and the weapon would retain its “get off me” feel. Alternatively, if this is too much damage, make only the first hit not deal knockback, just to give the rest a bit more time to connect.

-Cold Iron Vanquisher-
-Same damage as amputator on basics, more damage on charge, less knockback on charge than levi, equal to amputator's.

The higher damage on the charge compared to amp makes it a straight upgrade in all levels. Fire doesn’t justify less damage. The lower knockback does help it compared to levi, but the damage profile is still pretty low. A change I would like the opportunity to test out would be giving it some elemental damage as well as freeze. Freeze would make enemies not get knocked back, and elemental damage would make it actually good against undead. Remember how Wild Hunting Blade was made piercing because in order to do well against beasts you need to be piercing? Same rationale here. I am speaking through hypotheticals right now, so I'd love a chance to test this if possible!

-Leviathan blade-
-Much higher damage all around, beats Combuster on first two swings against neutral targets, and received a buff to its charge's knockback.

I enjoy how much damage potential the weapon now has. With less knockback on the initial hits of the charge, it would become more reliable. Also, why did the knockback get increased? It is far too high right now.

Just as a preface to these next two weapons, Amputator and Turbillion have always been awful. We knew they were awful the day both of them were added to the game respectively. Damage values, normal damage as a whole, and bugs have kept them from ever being seriously considered at all aside from niches like using Turbillion to break blocks quickly while speedrunning black kats.

-Amputator-
-Same damage on basic attacks as CiV, but less charge damage. Can inflict fire on the charge.

Amputator is still bad, as it was before. It is better, but it loses to CiV. In my opinion, there isn’t enough space to design amputator as a calibur without it being a statistical upgrade or downgrade to levi and CiV. I would like to test the weapon as a brandish, but give its charge attack the ability to inflict defense down. It would give it a very very unique niche, and it'd be flavourful (it has cutting razor blades). A supportive sword player could pair it with an obsidian edge to seriously amp their party's damage, and it would allow damage amping of your team in levels where poison isn't an option. If this isn’t possible, then the weapon has to be redone entirely, away from the flavour text suggesting anything to do with slimes. It has sawblades, so why not try a piercing weapon. Right now it's a CiV downgrade, and as a brandish it’s absolutely terrible. Larger steps have to be taken in new directions for the sword to be worth considering over the other options that beat it numerically. DvM doesn't save it, as others have said.

-TURBILLION-
This weapon should receive the most attention; it needs a lot of help.
The charge still has many fundamental problems:
-can be redirected by turning
-can be deleted randomly and by shielding after firing
-has too many startup frames
-inconsistent damage dealt
-small aoe
-small damage values
I don’t want to suggest a total redesign of the charge, but it’s very bad, bugs aside. What I would like to see is it spawning a suction bomb projectile (it's a tornado, so…) that slowly moves forward before exploding. Others have suggested a suctioning effect, and it is a tornado that it shoots so... I think it'd be very cool.

The basic attacks were improved, and the projectiles do respectable damage now. There is still a problem with its third swing. For some reason, the third swing is a heavy sword swing and has many recovery frames and has an extremely extended swordstep window. The projectile is also fired from where the third swing begins despite how far forward the knight steps, so the projectile has a much shorter effective range than it otherwise should. Enemies also dodge the projectile, which seems weird for a sword. I saw someone else suggest to make the projectiles an arc rather than a small ball, which would give the weapon more of a chance against groups of enemies. This seems like a very interesting idea.

-Summary-
DvM is not a valid way to buff weapons due to the prevalence of black kat and chaos.

The damage buffs are good.

The normal damage caliburs are insanely oversaturated. There aren't enough ways to differentiate them, and Amputator suffers heavily for it.

Knockback could be made less of a detriment.

Amputator needs a lot of help.

Turbillion still needs an overhaul to the charge. The charge is buggy and can't deal damage reliably. The third swing also has issues.

Thanks again for putting so much effort into balancing these weapons and reading our feedback!! It means a lot.

So far, thank you for buffing these weapons.
Although There're something I like and dislike about the chance. I will go through the list one by one and try to keep things simple and short.

Leviathan Blade

• I like the change overall. Good damage. Charge is good when the target is close to the wall
• I wish all Calibur Knockback used the same preset as the Sweetdream sword. Current Knockback is too much cause the extra hit added doesn't matter since the mob got YEETed outta the attack

Cold Iron Vanquisher

• I am not satisfied with the change. Mainly overlapping with the current Leviathan Blade.
• I wish the sword received split elemental damage or pure elemental damage with a chance of Freeze. This is to enforce the concept of an Undead-killing sword.

Amputator

• I have mixed feelings about the change. Mainly because both lines have better alternative versions of the sword that do the job better
• I wish this sword got reverted to the Brandish style, with two higher presets and maybe an ability to inflict Defense down or Speed down. The fire Status was a nice addition.

Turbillion

• I like the Shock being added to the weapon. But many issues persist within the weapon itself
• I wish the sword had a faster attack speed on its 3rd swing.
• The sword has less stepping forward. current sword, with the 2nd and 3rd swing, can propel you 5 tiles away from the original spot, which most of the time put yourself within danger. Make it not worth playing with the full combo or even trying to combo
• The sword charge attack animation is TOO SLOW and mostly puts the user in danger with not much benefit to justify the waiting
• The charge attack should not be canceled by shield cancel or redirected at the last second when the user turn
• I wish the charge attack projectile had suction power similar to the vortex bomb, which would make the weapon more interesting
• Change the single disk projectile from the basic attack to a wider arc with no collision box (so it penetrates), like here or there
• Make mob AI no longer react to the basic attack projectiles

That is all for now. Thank you for taking a look at these weapons.